Swiss-Turkish relations hit new low

[Siamanto]

Did someone hack into winoman's account? That doesn't seem like you.

At least not the Thoth I remember.

These guys just piss me off sometime. I actually have no problem with most Turks and Turks in general - but I draw the line sometime and get tired of hearing the same old lines and some of these Turks who think to point fingers at or attemtp to analyse Armenians etc - when it is they who have the problem...

nakharar,
That simply reflects the hypocrite nature of this notorious revisionist. You should see how he behaves on *urkish forums and/or in the company of his *urkish friends.

Also, do you remember his overt and ugly attacks - in Hi4rum - of a member of this forum - who should remain Anonymous - and all the name callings? While, such a coward, he's far more considerate in here. I "wonder" why?
Because he knows that the Anonymous member is not being mobbed in here! That's should say enough about his character.

In any case, in order to gain credibility, revisionists have to criticize *urks to a certain degree - by simply stating facts that both sides more or less accept.




Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk" or "*urkish" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations!

[Armenian]

In any case, in order to gain credibility, revisionists have to criticize *urks to a certain degree - by simply stating facts that both sides more or less accept.

This non-Armenian turk loving Jew in question needs to get banned, yet it is Armenians that get the moderator's axe.

I think we need to contact moderators here and demand that this imposter get banned.

[Ani_]

The source of these pathalogical behaviours of your diaspora people have already analized by Armenian pyschiatrists and sociologists.

Nothing pathological about wanting justice, turk. I'm sure what you've supposedly read is the best that your stolen goods can buy in cheap, contrived trash paid to jewish freudian lying backtalkers.

The first generation who suffered from 1915 deportation had found them at a completely new enviroment, countries like USA, Canada, France, Argentina, etc. Life was so hard for them because of economical and identity problems. People of countries where they migrate did not like and adopt them. If you read the memoirs of these people they complain about how the society label them as Turks even if they state that they are Christian because that thousands years of Anatolian culture shaped Armenians as middle easterns.

Quite the opposite of what you say. Armenians have done very well, have been readily accepted everywhere they ended up. Why lie? Because you're jealous, that's obvious. When turks try to live places other than turkey, they do poorly and are not accepted because, quite frankly, you are undesirables.

They suffered at those new lands and they blamed Turks as the reason of all those pains (as understandable) And they told all they live at deportation to their children and their children told them to theirs. And finally the result is the pathological behaviours of this third generation.

You are the pathological one thinking that the heinous crime of Genocide can go unpunished forever. That is YOUR sickness, your evil, your pathological behavior. It demonstrates, along with your current social disaster of a nation, that turks have not changed from ottoman days. Your society was and is called the "sick man" for very many reasons. You have done a lot of sick things to many people, so sorry....your lame justifications and sidestepping don't wash with anyone, least of all the Swiss as they have clearly stated.

The problem is that the first generation who suffered at 1915 were so angry to Turks but they were also missing their life in Anatolia. They were missing their fests, country life and yes, they even were missing their common life with Turks in spite of all pains. But the third generation did not live those past experience.

Sure they missed being regularly raped, attacked, maimed, robbed, taxed to death and murdered. Life was peachy living with turks. While the third generation didn't have to endure living with turks, the savagery is well known.

They forgot their Armenian culture and become Americans, French, etc. They did not live the Anatolian experience and all they learned is how Turks killed their people. And this Turkish hatred became their identity. They became so pathological about this Turkish hatred that they became more angry to Turks than the first generation who suffered in reality. They became blind, obsessive, racist community with full of Turkish hatred. And now they seek revenge from Turks.

If there is no justice, there most certainly will be revenge. It's high time for you turks to come to terms with FACTS. It is not racist to want justice and revenge. It is also not blind, but it certainly is obsessive, an obsession that will not be denied.

[Chico]

Turks never "deported" Armenians - if they had done so it would have involved showing them to the borders of the Ottoman Empire and saying goodbye...Turks (CUP) enacted a policy of annhiliating Armenians (by their own admissions and evidence) - part of this policy involved relocating Armenians to inhospitable parts of the Empire and killing them there and along the way. Many Armenians escaped this as should not be surprising - some just were able to run off or hide - others bribed there way out - etc - thus many fled to the (eventual) diaspora - more however were brutally killed.

Nearly every Armenian family has had losses and these are our families. Yes - those of us decended from those who survive cannot forget the stories of our families suffering and pain and death - and of course our entire culture - our nation has ceased to exist in Anatolia where it originated and florished for thousands of years - and you would belittle this pain and attempt to convince us that your pathetically simple and innacurate understanding of these events is anything remotely close to the truth. You decry that Armenians are obsessed with these events and hate Turks and your response is to lable this as something difficult to understand (Yet it is OK for Jews to feel the same way about Nazis and the Holocaust...). You are a sick and pathetic human being who deserves nothing but contempt from Armenians. IYes I would have no trouble whatsoever killing you on the spot if we ever met - I would feel no remorse - I would feel good about it.

“They terminated us, we are victim, we are victim, we are like Jews, we are like Jews, pooor us, poor us”

[Chico]

Every single Genocide denier should be taken to court - tried, convicted and sentenced to death...

Wouldn't that reduce the world's Jewish population by 80-90%?

[Chico]

Are you familiar with the many Jewish Nazi hunters and such?

“They terminated us, we are victim, we are victim, we are like Jews, we are like Jews, pooor us, poor us”

[Chico]

Did someone hack into winoman's account? That doesn't seem like you.

At least not the Thoth I remember.

A very unstable individual!

[Chico]

This non-Armenian turk loving Jew in question needs to get banned, yet it is Armenians that get the moderator's axe.

I think we need to contact moderators here and demand that this imposter get banned.

Here's the problem. On this forum, I have noticed only TWO individuals who violently oppose any criticism of the Jews. Yet we are told "Many of the posts and texts that have been posted have been regarded by many members as anti-sematic and hateful."

I suggest making a poll and ask the members to vote instead of this behind closed doors decision, because I don't believe this "many members" story. More than likely, the two individuals in question along with others who are not members but actually only registered for the campaign and bombarded the mods and adm with complaints.

Here is a quote (from Red Brigade sig) which happens to be very suitable to this situation. "The Only Thing Necessary For The Triumph Of Evil
Is For Good Men To Do Nothing." And let's not forget the "brilliant" idea of one moderator who wanted to shut down the AG section because it was too much work for him.

We know who the participating members are and we can easily list their names. Those are the ones who should be voting on this issue and not some imported jew-huggers.

It funny though that the exact same things said about anybody only becomes hate when it's about Jews.

[Chico]

but perhaps it would be justified to hunt down those Turks who have profited from killing us in the past - perhaps those who deny Genocide would be fair game - I certainly do not consider such people to be innocent...

NOTE! This poem does NOT come from a Neo-Nazi White Supremacist or such site. It's from the ADL.org. and it was written by a black man.

Somebody Blew Up America
by Amiri Baraka

They say its some terrorist,
some barbaric
A Rab,
in Afghanistan
It wasn't our American terrorists
It wasn't the Klan or the Skin heads
Or the them that blows up nigger
Churches, or reincarnates us on Death Row
It wasn't Trent Lott
Or David Duke or Giuliani
Or Schundler, Helms retiring

It wasn't
The gonorrhea in costume
The white sheet diseases
That have murdered black people
Terrorized reason and sanity
Most of humanity, as they pleases

They say (who say?)
Who do the saying
Who is them paying
Who tell the lies
Who in disguise
Who had the slaves
Who got the bux out the Bucks

Who got fat from plantations
Who genocided Indians
Tried to waste the Black nation

Who live on Wall Street
The first plantation
Who cut your nuts off
Who rape your ma
Who lynched your pa

Who got the tar, who got the feathers
Who had the match, who set the fires
Who killed and hired
Who say they God & still be the Devil

Who the biggest only
Who the most goodest
Who do Jesus resemble

Who created everything
Who the smartest
Who the greatest
Who the richest
Who say you ugly and they the goodlookingest

Who define art
Who define science

Who made the bombs
Who made the guns

Who bought the slaves, who sold them

Who called you them names
Who say Dahmer wasn't insane

Who? Who? Who?

Who stole Puerto Rico
Who stole the Indies, the Philipines, Manhattan
Australia & The Hebrides
Who forced opium on the Chinese

Who own them buildings
Who got the money
Who think you funny
Who locked you up
Who own the papers

Who owned the slave ship

Who run the army

Who the fake president
Who the ruler
Who the banker

Who? Who? Who?

Who own the mine
Who twist your mind
Who got bread
Who need peace
Who you think need war

Who own the oil
Who do no toil
Who own the soil
Who is not a nigger
Who is so great ain't nobody bigger

Who own this city

Who own the air
Who own the water

Who own your crib
Who rob and steal and cheat and murder
and make lies the truth
Who call you uncouth

Who live in the biggest house
Who do the biggest crime
Who go on vacation anytime

Who killed the most niggers
Who killed the most Jews
Who killed the most Italians
Who killed the most Irish
Who killed the most Africans
Who killed the most Japanese
Who killed the most Latinos

Who? Who? Who?

Who own the ocean
Who own the airplanes
Who own the malls
Who own television
Who own radio

Who own what ain't even known to be owned
Who own the owners that ain't the real owners

Who own the suburbs
Who suck the cities
Who make the laws

Who made Bush president
Who believe the confederate flag need to be flying
Who talk about democracy and be lying

Who the Beast in Revelations
Who 666
Who know who decide
Jesus get crucified

Who the Devil on the real side
Who got rich from Armenian genocide

Who the biggest terrorist
Who change the bible
Who killed the most people
Who do the most evil
Who don't worry about survival

Who have the colonies
Who stole the most land
Who rule the world
Who say they good but only do evil
Who the biggest executioner

Who? Who? Who?

Who own the oil
Who want more oil
Who told you what you think that later you find out a lie

Who? Who? Who?

Who found Bin Laden, maybe they Satan
Who pay the CIA,
Who knew the bomb was gonna blow
Who know why the terrorists
Learned to fly in Florida, San Diego

Who know why Five Israelis was filming the explosion
And cracking they sides at the notion

Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere

Who make the credit cards
Who get the biggest tax cut
Who walked out of the Conference
Against Racism
Who killed Malcolm, Kennedy & his Brother
Who killed Dr King, Who would want such a thing?
Are they linked to the murder of Lincoln?

Who invaded Grenada
Who made money from apartheid
Who keep the Irish a colony
Who overthrow Chile and Nicaragua later

Who killed David Sibeko, Chris Hani,
the same ones who killed Biko, Cabral,
Neruda, Allende, Che Guevara, Sandino,

Who killed Kabila, the ones who wasted Lumumba, Mondlane,
Betty Shabazz, Die, Princess Di, Ralph Featherstone,
Little Bobby

Who locked up Mandela, Dhoruba, Geronimo,
Assata, Mumia, Garvey, Dashiell Hammett, Alphaeus Hutton

Who killed Huey Newton, Fred Hampton,
Medgar Evers, Mikey Smith, Walter Rodney,
Was it the ones who tried to poison Fidel
Who tried to keep the Vietnamese Oppressed

Who put a price on Lenin's head

Who put the Jews in ovens,
and who helped them do it
Who said "America First"
and ok'd the yellow stars

Who killed Rosa Luxembourg, Liebneckt
Who murdered the Rosenbergs
And all the good people iced,
tortured, assassinated, vanished

Who got rich from Algeria, Libya, Haiti,
Iran, Iraq, Saudi, Kuwait, Lebanon,
Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Palestine,

Who cut off peoples hands in the Congo
Who invented Aids
Who put the germs
In the Indians' blankets
Who thought up "The Trail of Tears"

Who blew up the Maine
& started the Spanish American War
Who got Sharon back in Power
Who backed Batista, Hitler, Bilbo,
Chiang kai Chek

Who decided Affirmative Action had to go
Reconstruction, The New Deal,
The New Frontier, The Great Society,

Who do Tom Ass Clarence Work for
Who doo doo come out the Colon's mouth
Who know what kind of Skeeza is a Condoleeza
Who pay Connelly to be a wooden negro
Who give Genius Awards to Homo Locus
Subsidere

Who overthrew Nkrumah, Bishop,
Who poison Robeson,
who try to put DuBois in Jail
Who frame Rap Jamil al Amin, Who frame the Rosenbergs,
Garvey,
The Scottsboro Boys,
The Hollywood Ten

Who set the Reichstag Fire

Who knew the World Trade Center was gonna get bombed
Who told 4000 Israeli workers at the Twin Towers
To stay home that day
Why did Sharon stay away?

Who? Who? Who?

Explosion of Owl the newspaper say
The devil face cd be seen

Who make money from war
Who make dough from fear and lies
Who want the world like it is
Who want the world to be ruled by imperialism and national
oppression and terror violence, and hunger and poverty.

Who is the ruler of Hell?
Who is the most powerful

Who you know ever
Seen God?

But everybody seen
The Devil

Like an Owl exploding
In your life in your brain in your self
Like an Owl who know the devil
All night, all day if you listen, Like an Owl
Exploding in fire. We hear the questions rise
In terrible flame like the whistle of a crazy dog

Like the acid vomit of the fire of Hell
Who and Who and WHO who who
Whoooo and Whooooooooooooooooooooo!

Copyright (c) 2001 Amiri Baraka. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.adl.org/anti_semitism/baraka_poem.asp