Ottoman Armenians in the Collapse PEriod of the Empire...

[cumanicus]

cumanicus - I have nothing further to add here. If you or attaturk lover cannot understand what I have posted and can only come up with the same comebacks accusing me and Armenians of being obsessed or what have you - then you are not deserving of my time. And again it is particularly not appreciated that you ignore the facts (that I, fadix and others have posted) and continue on with the same Goerhing like claims of blaming the victims - even after the proof of their having been slaughtered by "the master race" is pretty much known by all...

Sorry but you do not deserve my time repeating the same things such as, "don't blame the victims, don't ignore genocide", etc.
I believe you understood what I stated very very clearly even for a moron to understand and this makes you angry and you post reactionary and behave as if you do not understand any points and play the fool. Ok, go ahead. No more posts to you winoman, continue to deceive youself.

[cumanicus]

cumanicus, I don't mind talking to you in a civil manner. I'm not a racist, but I do hate your nation and the clowns who run it. If Algerians who hate the French or the Indians who hate the British are also racists to you then that's your problem. By the way, neither of these two nor any but a handful of cases in modern history are comparable to the Armenian Genocide. Add to that the fact that your nation is blatanly blackmailing and buying its way into the lies and you can hopefully see how easy it is for us to have the feelings we have towards Turkey.

I must say that this hatred defines my identity the same way that a disdain for wolves defines the life of a farmer. Not much at all. What defines us is our past, our present and hopes for a brighter future. Unfortunately for us, Turks have played a mighty evil and barbaric role in our past and are playing a cowardly and disgusting role in our present. Pardon us if we don't want Turks to play any role in our future.

I appreciate the fact that it's hard for Turks to create dialogue on this forum with the likes of me. But I'm not here to discuss the irrefutable truth with Turks who want to believe it's a lie and arrogantly want us, the children and grandchildren and grandgrandchildren of survivors, to believe the lies as well. Only an idiot or a nationalistic pig would expect this from us.

Go ahead and continue to hate Turks. What can I say to you any more...If you understand what I posted I was trying to help people like you.

[cumanicus]

Of coarse they do. It is in their geopolitical and geostrategic interests to do so. If they had been entirely successful there would not be an Armenia. Armenia as a nation is entity that just gets in their way. Armenia's strength and prosperity is a threat to them -- they know it. Everything that they do, they do to undermine Armenia -- we do the same. It is a fight, nothing less than that. And I support my team.

Skhara, I am not a nationalist person and I don't want to behave in an arrogant way, but, what kind of geopolitical, economical, military or political analys make you believe that Armenia is a serious thread over Turkey? Armenia or generally Armenian nation is so weak and vulnerable that neither at history or today or in the future, it will not be a thread over Turkey. If Turkey and Armenia relations become normal only Armenia will benefit from this situation. And maybe some people at Kars province. You behave childish by selecting Turkey as an enemy for you. Some young people are trying to prove that they are not vulnerable people, they are strong, man, etc. But this is childish. Try to use your logic. And don't think that I write these to make you angry. I really have a symphaty to Armenians, and maybe I feel guilty, anyway this is not the question. These are the facts.
Personally you can hate from Turks and this makes you miserable as I wwrote at my above posts. But as a state Armenia should not "hate" Turkey. We have to learn to live together. In a way. I know that it is not easy for you since Turkey still deny its past. OK, but this hatred do not bring you anywhere.

[cumanicus]

1- My post was an answer to your post.
2- I don't have a national identity other then fealing being from Quebec.
3- I don't hate people on social construct basis(ethnicity etc.)
4- I never killed anyone, neither in the 70s, 80s, or anytime.
5- From this answer, you indicate lacking of abstrait thinking.

Note, I think you're intelligent enough to understand why I bolded certain things.

Oh Fadix!
I wouldn't describe your personality at my post
But thanks anyway. I noted that Fadix personally do not obsess with Turks and do not construct his/her national identity against Turkish hatred, Fadix did not kill anybody at 70's and 80's. Very useful, thank you.

[skhara]

@cumanicus:

If you really want to understand geostrategies, geopolitics, and the working of the world, then read, and read a lot of non-conventional material. By the way, my concern isn't for you to understand what I wrote, I want Armenians to understand it. Your thoughts are of little overal relevance except possibly curiosity by me.

what kind of geopolitical, economical, military or political analys make you believe that Armenia is a serious thread over Turkey?

The kind that makes Turkey take every effort to try and keep her

as

weak

and as

vulnerable

as possible.

neither at history or today or in the future

If you really think that then you don't know history. I take the past in my own analysis. Namely the invasion of Armenia by Ataturk's troops.

You behave childish by selecting Turkey as an enemy for you.

Sometimes I behave childish wishing I was still a kid. But I did not behave childish above, and I "select" nothing in this case.

Some young people are trying to prove that they are not vulnerable people, they are strong, man, etc. But this is childish.

I am past my teen years. And I clearly recognise the dangers and vulnaribilities.

Try to use your logic.

Thanks for the kind advice.

And don't think that I write these to make you angry.

I don't and I'm not.

I really have a symphaty to Armenians,

Wonderful. Whats the relevance?

These are the facts.

What facts?

Personally you can hate from Turks and this makes you miserable as I wwrote at my above posts.

Hate? Who says I hate? Hate is an emotion that infringes on rational and concentration.

But as a state Armenia should not "hate" Turkey.

Armenia as a nation loves Turkey as much as a nation loves her nations enemy.

We have to learn to live together. In a way. I know that it is not easy for you since Turkey still deny its past.

Deny or not deny, I'm going off modern geopolitics, geostrategies, interests of major power players, and also history. What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when historical records show that Turkey tried to eliminate Armenia from the map in 20s? What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when historical record shows me that Turkey was on stand-by to invade Caucasus after the defeat of the Red Army at Stalingrad? What relevance to me is the the denial or non-denial when modern information tells me that Turkey went to stand by to invade Armenia in 1993 barring events in Moscow. What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when I know so much of the world and its dirty politics, and manipulations, and interests, and its dark powers -- and am able bring it down to the locality?

OK, but this hatred do not bring you anywhere.

No hatred doesn't bring me anywhere. And hatred I don't have.

[cumanicus]

Deny or not deny, I'm going off modern geopolitics, geostrategies, interests of major power players, and also history. What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when historical records show that Turkey tried to eliminate Armenia from the map in 20s? What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when historical record shows me that Turkey was on stand-by to invade Caucasus after the defeat of the Red Army at Stalingrad? What relevance to me is the the denial or non-denial when modern information tells me that Turkey went to stand by to invade Armenia in 1993 barring events in Moscow. What relevance to me is the denial or non-denial when I know so much of the world and its dirty politics, and manipulations, and interests, and its dark powers -- and am able bring it down to the locality?

Oh, oh my god, my Allah!
again same paranoiac conspiracy theories. Winoman claimed that Azeris massacred their own people to label Armenians and now this.
So, Turkey was preparing to invade Caucasus at WW2 and waiting for the defeat of Soviets at Stalingrad?Oh,oh, my god!please, please , come on.
what can I say
Turkey was preparing to invade Armenia at 1993?
You forgot one more. Turkey was preparing to invade USA at 1986 to rescue Melungians, a Turkish origin ethnic group who live at USA under American pressure. But we couldn't deal with Mexico to use their lands for invasion.

[winoman]

cumanicus - up yours you pompus little know nothing a hole

[Fadix3]

Oh Fadix!
I wouldn't describe your personality at my post
But thanks anyway. I noted that Fadix personally do not obsess with Turks and do not construct his/her national identity against Turkish hatred, Fadix did not kill anybody at 70's and 80's. Very useful, thank you.

With a more innocent touch, you could have made of this above answer something cynical.

[Fadix3]

Oh, oh my god, my Allah!
again same paranoiac conspiracy theories. Winoman claimed that Azeris massacred their own people to label Armenians and now this.
So, Turkey was preparing to invade Caucasus at WW2 and waiting for the defeat of Soviets at Stalingrad?Oh,oh, my god!please, please , come on.
what can I say
Turkey was preparing to invade Armenia at 1993?
You forgot one more. Turkey was preparing to invade USA at 1986 to rescue Melungians, a Turkish origin ethnic group who live at USA under American pressure. But we couldn't deal with Mexico to use their lands for invasion.

Turkey's intention during world war II are pretty much documented, how easy was it for the French to give away a protectorate in 1939 to Turkey, and how Turkey fantasmated about how to obtain more on the East if ever the Soviet were to take over Stalingrad is also recorded. If I were you, I would not go there.

[Կարմիր Բ]

h, oh my god, my Allah!

Turkey was preparing to invade Caucasus at WW2 and waiting for the defeat of Soviets at Stalingrad?

The above is a mere fact.

Turkey was preparing to invade Armenia at 1993?

Yes because we were deploying our troops in order to take back Nakhichevan.

Armenian nation is so weak and vulnerable that neither at history or today or in the future

The fact that you are here proves the opposit.