Is the threat of Genocide really in the past?

[cumanicus]

Good relations? Armenia's official stand point on Turkey joining the EU is giving approval. Turkeys response is...training Azeri soldiers and CONTINUING the bloackade.

Turkey on the other hand, one day, will have no choice but to acknowledge the Genocide. Some reforms in Turkey will have to be made though, like for one - you guys need to try that whole "free nation" thing. Turkey is a place for TURKS WHO ARE HYPER-NATIONALISTIC. Its a country for only ONE type of people.

ace, please don't offend but Armenia can not have a official or non-official policy about Turkey-EU relations since Armenia is not and probably never will be the member of EU. Some conservative Europeans just use Armenians to oppose Turkey, that's all. Armenians can not play a role on this issue.
Secondly, you do the same think again like those others. Talking about "free nation" or how Turkey have to evolve on democracy, as a person who live in Armenia please compare the democracy and freedom in Turkey and Armenia. Why does your people consider themselves as French, Canadian or American instead of simply Armenian? Armenia is a third world country and will continue as it, unfortunately this is true, I don't say it for insult since Armenia is our neighbour and it is better for us to cooperate with a better country, this is just reality. So please, not only you but eveyone here, stop questioning Turkey democracy and focus on Armenia. Armenia is the country that need democracy and freedom. Turkey is not perfect but is in a pretty good way because we do our best to improve Turkey democracy. On the other hand you do nothing for your homeland. Question Armenia not Turkey, please, please

[cumanicus]

Do you agree that it was a genocide?

I was also just wondering, where do you live/are you from?

I live in Turkey.
I can not agree whether it is genocide or not as an ordinary person since you politisize this issue and there is no way to understand what really happened. Turkey denied eveything and still continue the same policy on a certain level, on the other hand you create a genocide mythology and ban every kind of discussion about questioning your myth. If you question this myth in Switzerland you go to jail, can you think about it? Do you really believe that this is a healthy behaviour?
I accept that hundreds thoussands of people are killed. To state whether it was genocide or not we have to clarify some points.
1. Did Turkish government have a policy to exterminate all Armenians.
2. How many people are killed in reality.
3. Were they massacre or genocide.
Lots of terrible questions. To find the answers both Turks and Armenians have to stop producing fake documents, stop terrorising themselves, stop to consider this issue as a national hobby and talk about what really happened with historians.
I can not say that it was genocide since I really don't know what was happened at all phases. You also don't know the whole reality, but you don't care. I really bored of this question of Armenians: "do you accept 1915 as genocide?" You just wait a reply as yes or no, but this is a really complicated historical event and can not analise with this beavis-butthead philosophy. Both of us have to communicate with each other and clarify our mutual history. This is more important than this "yes or no?" thing.

[loveataturk]

cumanicus....
WAR has always been pretty unstable, and control of events during war just the same. Armenians were unable to carve a piece of Ottoman land for themselves, but they tried really hard!!
The transfer of Greek and Armenian people out of Ottoman and later Turkish land, for my taste, is pretty understandable, given the circumstances of pre-WWI, then WWI and finally Independence wars. How many innocent Anatolian Turks were murdered by Armenie militia? God only knows.

[cumanicus]

cumanicus....
WAR has always been pretty unstable, and control of events during war just the same. Armenians were unable to carve a piece of Ottoman land for themselves, but they tried really hard!!
The transfer of Greek and Armenian people out of Ottoman and later Turkish land, for my taste, is pretty understandable, given the circumstances of pre-WWI, then WWI and finally Independence wars. How many innocent Anatolian Turks were murdered by Armenie militia? God only knows.

Greeks in Turkey and Turks in Greece were exchanged safely but Armenians were not "transferred". Armenian militias crimes were limited, we have to admit the truth about what happened to Armenian civilians. It is understandable to exchange the populations but massive killings can not be understandable.

[winoman]

Neither of you 2 Turkeys is at all serious or worth discussing anything with. My substantive posts on this issue speak for themselves and show both of you to be ignorant of the facts and essentially racist fools. So of course - considering that you are making false accusations against Armenia/Armenians/me and are being highly disrespectful of the memories of my kin - bruttaly slain and tortured by those of your kin whom you continue to defend - well I have nothing further to say to either of you but F U - big time - and please be gone!

And I will be thinking of both of you tommorow when I stab the steaming dead bird with some vigor.

[ace]

ace, please don't offend but Armenia can not have a official or non-official policy about Turkey-EU relations since Armenia is not and probably never will be the member of EU. Some conservative Europeans just use Armenians to oppose Turkey, that's all. Armenians can not play a role on this issue.
Secondly, you do the same think again like those others. Talking about "free nation" or how Turkey have to evolve on democracy, as a person who live in Armenia please compare the democracy and freedom in Turkey and Armenia. Why does your people consider themselves as French, Canadian or American instead of simply Armenian? Armenia is a third world country and will continue as it, unfortunately this is true, I don't say it for insult since Armenia is our neighbour and it is better for us to cooperate with a better country, this is just reality. So please, not only you but eveyone here, stop questioning Turkey democracy and focus on Armenia. Armenia is the country that need democracy and freedom. Turkey is not perfect but is in a pretty good way because we do our best to improve Turkey democracy. On the other hand you do nothing for your homeland. Question Armenia not Turkey, please, please

Considering they wont let you in BECAUSE of us, I think what we say is very important.

And Armenia is not a third world country. Most of Xarabagh deffinitly is but not Armenia as a whole.

Journalists publically critisize the government - something you CAN'T do in Turkey, especially as a minority. Second off - we let our minorities live in peace, especially since they don't really even do anything.

Turkish people who live in Armenia are not hated, by the way - just to let you know.

[TomServo]

Armpits.

[Thun_Der]

I will repeat the same..paranoia and obsession.
What you sincerely believe sounds so funny to us.

enjoy you brainless muds

http://imia.cc.duth.gr/turkey/index.e.html

[cumanicus]

Neither of you 2 Turkeys is at all serious or worth discussing anything with. My substantive posts on this issue speak for themselves and show both of you to be ignorant of the facts and essentially racist fools. So of course - considering that you are making false accusations against Armenia/Armenians/me and are being highly disrespectful of the memories of my kin - bruttaly slain and tortured by those of your kin whom you continue to defend - well I have nothing further to say to either of you but F U - big time - and please be gone!

And I will be thinking of both of you tommorow when I stab the steaming dead bird with some vigor.

wino, just try to be quiet. Try to forget me, try to recover and turn back to your life.
And don't cry as "they sweared to my kins" Noone said anything unrespectful to your kins, unlike you do.

[bell-the-cat]

The Turkish-Armenian border simply may not be opened until:
(1) Armenia immediately drops claims on Eastern anatolia, which is TURKISH land, also out of their constitution;
(2) Armenia immediately puts a stop to the FALSE and LIE of genocide, and take it out of her claims,
(3) Armenia and the Armenian authorities recognize the bloody rebellion and cooperation with Russians during war time, thus TREASON, and APOLOGIZE, and start paying restoration to the Turks of Anatolia.
??

In a way we should all love Turks like lovataturk. Their minds are small and they are not shy about revealing it!

More sophisticated Turks, including those responsble for imposing the blockade in the first place, will give the reason for its imposition as being to support Azerbaijan. That sort of reason is acceptable to the international community, but lovataturk reveals the true, unacceptable, sentiments behind the blockade. Jerks like lovataturk gleefully tear down the carefully constructed PR facade that the Turkish state has put such expense and effort into bulding, and reveal what a racist country Turkey still is.