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  • #11
    Re: Vote No

    Originally posted by jgk3
    alright... I really liked that post, you win. lol
    lova ya

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    • #12
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      haha...

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      • #13
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        Originally posted by karoaper
        An Armenian has no business arguing about the Genocide in an environment where turkish point of view is given any (even initial) credence, let alone discuss it with a turk. Let others discuss it if they want.

        Not wanting to discuss or argue truths with a vile madman is not a bias. It's called sanity of mind and reason. Give them a nanometer of your regard about their weave of propaganda and they will use it to advance their lies and demand more consideration and attention.
        I disagree with that. If truth can stand on its two feet, then I do not want to censor it.

        I do not support Joos and those who ban open discussions on the Holocaust. In Europe, you can be fined, jailed and/or exiled for questioning the Holocaust. I do not want the genocide to become what the Holocaust has become.

        It's a matter of intellectual freedom for me.
        Achkerov kute.

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        • #14
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          Was the Armenian genocide a "Holocaust"?

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          • #15
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            It was a genocide.

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            • #16
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              Originally posted by Anonymouse
              In Europe, you can be fined, jailed and/or exiled for questioning the Holocaust. I do not want the genocide to become what the Holocaust has become.

              It's a matter of intellectual freedom for me.
              That's a good point too.

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              • #17
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                Originally posted by Anonymouse
                I disagree with that. If truth can stand on its two feet, then I do not want to censor it.

                I do not support Joos and those who ban open discussions on the Holocaust. In Europe, you can be fined, jailed and/or exiled for questioning the Holocaust. I do not want the genocide to become what the Holocaust has become.

                It's a matter of intellectual freedom for me.
                See, the thing is we wouldn't be fighting for the truth at this point. The truth had been argued for in the courts in 20's and 30s, whether it's the Trial of Talaat Pasha by Soghomon Tehlirian and his lawers or the trials of Enver and Talaat in Turkey, or the historical considerations that made it impossible for world experts on genocide to ignore the factuallity of the Armenian Genocide (whether you're talking about the UN or the international experts on Genocides or Lemkin or whatever) The Genocide is an undeniable truth accepted not only by main thinktanks but by countless historians and academics around the world, while Turks created a site called tallarmeniantale.com just so they can list the dozen or so bought and sold experts who support turkish state bullxxxx. So, while we would be presenting the truth, turkish side would be presenting the turkish state propaganda and the debates will be paid for by Ankara, whether in gold or geopolitical favors. Remember the sham of TARC: nothing by turkish machinations aimed at creating the illusion that the Genocide is actually a debatable issue. It is not. It has been already debated and it's factuallity has been proven and accepted by countless experts and many nations, who have nothing to loose from turkey's ire.

                At this point, the fight for justice is simply in the formality stages. My analogy is that of a marriage. At this point, the wedding in the church has taken place, all that remains is the formal signing in front of a judge, which is proving very difficult due to the implications that it will have in the region and what it will do to political gains of world superpowers.

                Having said that I completely agree that banning it as illegal is dumb, because it smells of paranoia. When I said banish, I didn't mean it legally. I meant politically and intellectually. Also, I don't care if non-Armenians want to engage in debates. That's completely up to them, but for Armenians to lower themselves to a shared floor where turkish state lies are being heard as intellectual is simply useless and aimless. Nothing can be gained from it, because the turkish side is not arguing to shine light on the truth but to drown the truth with complete bullxxxx.

                Finally, the example of Israel doesn't fit here. In the case of the holocaust, whether you believe it happened (which I do) or you think it didn't happen, the arguments against the holocaust are not coming from a geopolitical and power podium, if anything they're coming from few voices that don't have the power. In the case of Armenian Genocide, it is reversed. Bullxxxx is successfully seaping through because of power and politics.
                Last edited by karoaper; 06-19-2006, 11:08 AM.

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                • #18
                  Re: Vote No

                  No Voch
                  Which Way is the Right Way?

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