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    French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

    French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide
    12.10.2006 15:07 GMT+04:00


    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The French lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, approved a bill on Thursday making it a crime to deny that the Ottoman Turks committed Genocide against Armenians during World War One. A total of 106 deputies voted in favor of the bill while 19 voted against, France Info radio reports. The amendment of former minister Patrick Devedjian, authorizing the debate of the historians on the history of the Genocide, was rejected by the deputies. The bill has still to be ratified by the upper house, the Senate, and the President Jacques Chirac before it becomes law.

    The bill provides for one year of imprisonment and a fine of 45 thousand Euros for denying the Armenian Genocide in Ottoman Turkey during World War I.
    Last edited by ARK; 10-12-2006, 02:58 AM.
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    Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

    French Lower House Adopts Armenia `Genocide' Law (Update1)

    By Francois de Beaupuy

    Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- France's lower house of Parliament defied pleas by Turkish officials and adopted a law introducing fines and prison sentences for anyone denying that the killing of Armenians by Ottoman Turks in 1915 amounted to genocide.

    Lawmakers of the National Assembly in Paris today voted 106- 19 in favor of the bill, clearing the way for fines of up to 45,000 euros ($56,460) and a year in prison for denial of the genocide. French senators from the upper house will now examine the proposed legislation at a date yet to be specified.

    The vote threatens to harm relations with Turkey, after the Turkish government warned French lawmakers not to approve the bill. ``If this draft law is approved, Turkey will lose nothing, but France will first of all lose Turkey,'' Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul said in televised comments late yesterday.

    ``Turkey has no lesson to teach us on the repression of opinions,'' Patrick Devedjian, a French lawmaker of the governing UMP party of Armenian descent, said in the National Assembly today, in a reference to a Turkish law used to prosecute writers who challenge Turkey's denial of the genocide. ``The Turkish government is very hypocritical.''

    World War I

    The European Union says Turkey's refusal to acknowledge that 1.5 million Armenians were massacred during World War I clouds the nation's bid for membership. Accession talks began a year ago. Turkey denies Armenian allegations of genocide, saying tens of thousands of ethnic Turks and Armenians were killed after Armenian groups sided with Russia in the war.

    Turkish Foreign Ministry spokesman Namik Tan wasn't immediately available for comment today after the vote.

    Turkey may bar French companies from bidding for state-owned assets, including nuclear power stations, if the bill becomes law, according to a report Oct. 7 in Turkey's Hurriyet newspaper that cited Gul. Hurriyet today carried a headline ``Liberte, Egalite, Stupidite,'' to describe the French Parliament's move.

    France enacted a law in 2001 that classifies the Armenia killings as genocide. The legislation as proposed would make it a crime to deny that genocide, much as denial of the Holocaust is outlawed.

    Zafer Caglayan, who heads the Ankara Chamber of Industry, planned to tell reporters during a visit to Paris today that the genocide never happened in the event lawmakers passed the draft bill, Turkish newspaper Vatan said.

    Supporters of Galatasaray, an Istanbul-based soccer club, will protest the law with banners at a Champions League match in Bordeaux, France on Nov. 22, Vatan said today.

    The proposed bill was introduced by the opposition Socialist Party. The French government itself opposes the bill, though the majority UMP party decided to let its lawmakers make their own decision in a free vote.

    ``Today, in France, a land of exile for our parents, Armenians continue to be persecuted by a state which not only doesn't recognize the Armenian genocide, but also organizes the negation of this genocide,'' Devedjian said.

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      Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

      TODAY IS AN EMBARRASSING DAY FOR (demokratic)FRANCE.
      Yes, a nation which put an end to monarchy and cut the kings' heads and bring The Age of Enlightenment to the world, now cut the head of freedom and freedom of speech.Today's politicians have beeen batraying the history of libertarian France and they do this just because of potential of 380 thousand vote (disgusting) We see again that not only politicians replace themselves as historians or scientists but also they ban these peolple's freely speech. France suppose that she is a judge or France Council is an international court., We see today the disgusting face of politics in France again.
      I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. — Voltaire
      Can you see the difference between current France and The France in 17th century?
      What a pity
      History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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        Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

        Originally posted by platana
        TODAY IS AN EMBARRASSING DAY FOR (demokratic)FRANCE.
        Yes, a nation which put an end to monarchy and cut the kings' heads and bring The Age of Enlightenment to the world, now cut the head of freedom and freedom of speech.Today's politicians have beeen batraying the history of libertarian France and they do this just because of potential of 380 thousand vote (disgusting) We see again that not only politicians replace themselves as historians or scientists but also they ban these peolple's freely speech. France suppose that she is a judge or France Council is an international court., We see today the disgusting face of politics in France again.
        I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. — Voltaire
        Can you see the difference between current France and The France in 17th century?
        What a pity
        Have you started the boycott yet? Remember, you can always tighten up Article 301. You can also turn east to you Iranian and Arab friends too.

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          Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

          I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. — Voltaire
          Can you see the difference between current France and The France in 17th century?
          What a pity [/B]

          When you "memorize" (or copy paste) something from Voltaire, instead of writing in a "jurkish" font, give some correct information. Voltaire has lived in the18th century, the poor man had condemned the genocides, inquisations and all kind of barbaric actions.

          BTW, have you read Victor Hugo's Les Orientales(l'enfant) ?
          Last edited by ARK; 10-12-2006, 06:35 AM.

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            Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

            I'd say it's safe to say the Turks are on they way to be OWN3D!!!!! Way to go france.
            this post = teh win.

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              Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

              [The following is an automatic translation using Systran; it may not be perfect, but seems "readable." The original French text follows. Siamanto.]


              Armenian genocide: the Armenians of France greet a "historical day"

              Thursday October 12,2006,

              The president of the Council of coordination of the Armenian organizations of France Alexis Govciyan greeted Thursday "historical day" for the French of Armenian origin after the vote by the deputies of the private bill punishing the negation of the genocide of 1915.

              "The memory of the victims is finally completely respected", it declared in Associated Press after having attended the vote of the deputies.

              "It will be it with this legislative device, and the dignity of all their descendants and the whole of our fellow-citizens will be now taken into account in a republican way with the rules, the values which govern our country", Alexis Govciyan added.

              He expressed his relief after the rejection by the deputies of the amendment of Patrick Devedjian who excluded from the field of the law work of the historians."Such an amendment could have represented an air drainage for a whole series of negationnists who under cover of historical work could enter this breach", it estimated.

              Questioned on the examination of the private bill to the Senate, compromise because of the opposition of the government, Alexis Govciyan answered that its organization was goingto "explore" in the days which come the various possible ways "with the political leaders."

              The vote was applauded upright by the representatives of the Armenian community who followed the debates since the platforms of the public.

              Behind the Palate-Bourbon, a hundred demonstrators of Armenian extraction accomodated the vote by an outburst of joy.

              The Turkish delegation come to attend the debate left the hemicycle without making statement.


              6 000 citoyens arméniens ont choisi la nationalité russe au 1er trimestre (...) - Nouvelles d'Arménie en Ligne
              http://www.armenews.com/article.php3?id_article=25561
              Ces dernières années des dizaines de milliers de citoyen d'Arménie demandent la nationalité russe. Entre janvier et mars ils étaient 6 000 Armén...





              Génocide arménien : les Arméniens de France saluent un "jour historique"

              jeudi 12 octobre 2006, Stéphane/armenews




              Le président du Conseil de coordination des organisations arméniennes de France Alexis Govciyan a salué jeudi un "jour historique" pour les Français d’origine arménienne après le vote par les députés de la proposition de loi punissant la négation du génocide de 1915.

              "La mémoire des victimes est enfin totalement respectée", a-t-il déclaré à l’Associated Press après avoir assisté au vote des députés.

              "Elle le sera avec ce dispositif législatif, et la dignité de tous leurs descendants et de l’ensemble de nos concitoyens sera maintenant prise en compte de manière républicaine avec les règles, les valeurs qui régissent notre pays", a ajouté Alexis Govciyan.

              Il a exprimé son soulagement après le rejet par les députés de l’amendement de Patrick Devedjian qui excluait du champ de la loi les travaux des historiens. "Un tel amendement aurait pu représenter un appel d’air pour toute une série de négationnistes qui sous couvert de travaux historiques pouvaient entrer dans cette brèche", a-t-il estimé.

              Interrogé sur l’examen de la proposition de loi au Sénat, compromis en raison de l’opposition du gouvernement, Alexis Govciyan a répondu que son organisation allait "explorer" dans les jours qui viennent les différentes voies possibles "avec les responsables politiques".

              Le vote a été applaudi debout par les représentants de la communauté arménienne qui suivaient les débats depuis les tribunes du public.

              Derrière le Palais-Bourbon, une centaine de manifestants d’origine arménienne ont accueilli le vote par une explosion de joie.

              La délégation turque venue assister au débat a quitté l’hémicycle sans faire de déclaration.
              Last edited by Siamanto; 10-12-2006, 07:58 AM.
              What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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                Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

                Originally posted by platana
                TODAY IS AN EMBARRASSING DAY FOR (demokratic)FRANCE.
                Yes, a nation which put an end to monarchy and cut the kings' heads and bring The Age of Enlightenment to the world, now cut the head of freedom and freedom of speech.Today's politicians have beeen batraying the history of libertarian France and they do this just because of potential of 380 thousand vote (disgusting) We see again that not only politicians replace themselves as historians or scientists but also they ban these peolple's freely speech. France suppose that she is a judge or France Council is an international court., We see today the disgusting face of politics in France again.
                I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. — Voltaire
                Can you see the difference between current France and The France in 17th century?
                What a pity
                Oh stop being a cry baby. You Turks are masters at it when it benefits you. So all of a sudden the Turks' focus shifts upon France for doing essentially the same thing you guys do in the so-called land of Turkey. Are you kidding me? You guys must eat barrels of hypocrisy.
                Achkerov kute.

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                  Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

                  For the record, I disagree with this French bill to make denial of the Armenian Genocide a matter of law. It's stupid and only shows the slippery slope of the Holocaust denial laws.
                  Achkerov kute.

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                    Re: French National Assembly Adopts Bill on Armenian Genocide

                    Originally posted by RSNATION
                    Have you started the boycott yet? Remember, you can always tighten up Article 301. friends too.
                    How many European countries are there which haven't an Article 301 in their constitution ? Are you kidding me? There are A lot of European countries that have article like 301 such as Italy,Spain,Netherlands... of course I'm not support 301.,it restricts freedom of speech but now France isn't restrict freedom of speech, also completely abolishes freedom of speech( for the sake of 380 thousands votes).And now I can say that now Turkiye is more democratic country than France at this point, because there could be conferances about this event and historians or sicientists could accept or refuse so called genocide in these conferances in Türkiye and they weren't jailed.but now It is impossible to organize any conferance about so called genocide in France. What a democratic country in which even a historian or a researcher can be jailed because of his speech about so called genocide. And you still support this, I'm in difficulty to understand your thought about France decision...

                    Originally posted by RSNATION
                    You can also turn east to you Iranian and Arab friends too.
                    Thanks for ur advice. You may not want to understand, but Turks were at the doors of Vienna in the past, at the same time now Türkiye has lands in the Europe Continent and close the Europe. Dont you know Geography where is the Cyprus Island now It is a member of Europe,isnt it? Is it in the middle East? . So turks have been with Europe for a long time. Anyway Türkiye hasn't been far from Iran or Arabs for 1000 years so Dont worry Türkiye is the place where it can make relationship both Europe,Asia and Middle East....but it can be a problem for a country which has stable prejudices and hostile behaviours instead of dialogues or relationships with its environment. It isn't a problem for Türkiye
                    History is written by agreement of scientists and documents-evidences NOT by the decisions of councils or prejudices

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