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    Turkish PM: We'll Retaliate Against States that Recognize 'Genocide'

    TNA Parliament Bureau / Ankara
    19 May 2005

    Countries which have officially recognized the so-called Armenian
    genocide will face retaliation from Turkey, warned Prime Minister Recep
    Tayyip Erdogan yesterday. Erdogan added that these 15 countries which
    have made decisions against Turkey without proof will face similar
    treatment from Turkey's Parliament, albeit with proof on its side.

    Speaking to a Justice and Development (AK) Party group meeting,
    Erdogan laid out the government's stance on the Armenian genocide
    claims in clear terms. "In some countries' parliaments, decisions
    to accept the Armenian genocide were made after they were lobbied,"
    he said. "Their decisions will have an adverse effect on international
    diplomacy. Such decisions, without using any documents or information,
    are not supported by any solid evidence. Such decisions have been
    made in the parliaments of 15 countries so far. We will discuss
    those 15 countries. Among them are countries which have committed
    genocide themselves. We will make a similar decision regarding their
    pasts after studying the documents. Our decisions will be based on
    historical documents and information. We will take this step."

    Erdogan's speech was punctuated by frequent applause by AK Party
    deputies.

    About Armenian Prime Minister Robert Kocharian, who was at this
    week's Council of Europe summit along with Erdogan, he said: "We have
    recognized Armenia's independence but we don't have any diplomatic
    contact. Despite this, we have initiated flights to Yerevan from
    Istanbul. In another step, our Culture and Tourism Ministry has
    completed restoring the Armenian church on Van's Akdamar Island. The
    conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia continues. There are some
    positive developments, though. France, Britain and the U.S., which
    have been so effective elsewhere, should become more active in the
    troubles because their involvement will help lead to a solution.
    There are seven different regions in Nagorno-Karabakh. We don't know
    how much of this Armenia will concede.

    "We don't want bad relations with any of our neighbors. An Armenian
    official brought up the so-called Armenian issue [at the summit]
    when we were not looking. The next day, I replied and reiterated
    the positions that we have already laid out. We have opened up our
    state archives and there are over 1 million documents that we have
    declassified so far. We are ready to look at our history. Let the
    Armenians open their archives if they have them. Let the historians
    work on the issue and we will make a political decision when the time
    is right. Unfortunately, we haven't yet received a positive reply
    from Armenian President Robert Kocharian."

    Erdogan continued, "During its history, Turkey has never degraded
    itself to the vile cruelty of committing genocide. It's out of the
    question for us to accept this." Erdogan said that it was normal
    for the Ottomans, who were battling on three fronts, to decide to
    relocate the Armenians, who were rebelling at the provocation of
    other countries. The decision to relocate the Armenians, who lived
    for centuries under Ottoman rule, should be evaluated according to the
    conditions of the time, he said. Deaths happened during the relocation,
    argued Erdogan.

    Erdogan declared that Turkey will never accept that a genocide has
    been committed in its history. He also cited how hundreds of years
    ago Jews who were expelled from Christian Spain found safe haven in
    Ottoman territory.

    -----------
    Copyright 2005, Turkish Daily News. This article is redistributed with
    permission for personal use of Groong readers. No part of this article
    may be reproduced, further distributed or archived without the prior
    permission of the publisher. Contact Turkish Daily News Online at
    http://www.TurkishDailyNews.com for details.

  • #2
    Spain: A party of the majority calls with the recognition of the genocide

    Spain: A party of the majority calls with the recognition of the genocide of the Armenians
    Transalated by Google


    Friday June 16, 2006, Stéphane/armenews








    The political group Spanish Esquerra Republicana de Catalunya (ERC, republican Left of Catalonia) presented Wednesday June 14 a private bill which it counts deposited with the Congress of the deputies asking this Room to recognize the genocide of the Armenians in 1915 organized by the Turkish army and paramilitary militia. Moreover, ll' ERC claims the implication of the Government and the European Union as mediators to allow that is to exceed the conflict.

    In their initiative, the republicans complain that still today Turkey denies these crimes against humanity and considérent this established fact as “a permanent cause of conflict between the two countries and a factor of destabilization in the area”.

    Thus, the spokesman of the ERC and Member of the Commission of the Foreign Affairs of the Congress, Rosa Bonàs considers it regrettable that the Spanish State “still today is not counted among the states which recognized the Armenian genocide like a crime against humanity”. Rosa Bonàs points out that the estimates carried out on the consequences of the Armenian genocide determine the number of victims to more than one million auxquel it is necessary to add an unspecified number of deportees.

    For that, it considers that the Congress must “take this step in favour of the historical recognition of the crimes perpetrated”. “Still today nonthe recognition on behalf of Turkey of the crimes against the humanity made in these years supposes the persistence of a permanent cause of conflict between the two states” according to the deputy Catalan woman.

    Finally, the ERC requests the Spanish executive and the European Union for “a participation activates and decided and insists that the Turkish State recognizes the genocide like a proof of harmony with Arménie and as the mark of a new climate of goodwill in the relations between the two countries and a new balance in regional balances”.

    The Spanish Parliament (the general Cortes) includes/understands two Rooms: the Senate and the Congress of the deputies. Among the political formations are represented in current Congrès of the deputies is Esquerra republicana of Catalunya (ERC), Catalan formation of left created into 1931 which dominated the Catalan political scene until the beginning of the Spanish civil war.

    To remain with the capacity, Spanish the Prime Minister Zapatero depends on the ERC, which also forms part of the coalition of the Catalan government with the sister party of the PSOE, the Catalan socialist Party (Party Socialist de Catalunya, PSC).
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hovik
      Turkish PM: We'll Retaliate Against States that Recognize 'Genocide'

      TNA Parliament Bureau / Ankara
      19 May 2005

      Countries which have officially recognized the so-called Armenian
      genocide will face retaliation from Turkey, warned Prime Minister Recep
      Tayyip Erdogan yesterday. Erdogan added that these 15 countries which
      have made decisions against Turkey without proof will face similar
      treatment from Turkey's Parliament, albeit with proof on its side.

      Speaking to a Justice and Development (AK) Party group meeting,
      Erdogan laid out the government's stance on the Armenian genocide
      claims in clear terms. "In some countries' parliaments, decisions
      to accept the Armenian genocide were made after they were lobbied,"
      he said. "Their decisions will have an adverse effect on international
      diplomacy. Such decisions, without using any documents or information,
      are not supported by any solid evidence. Such decisions have been
      made in the parliaments of 15 countries so far. We will discuss
      those 15 countries. Among them are countries which have committed
      genocide themselves. We will make a similar decision regarding their
      pasts after studying the documents. Our decisions will be based on
      historical documents and information. We will take this step."

      Erdogan's speech was punctuated by frequent applause by AK Party
      deputies.

      About Armenian Prime Minister Robert Kocharian, who was at this
      week's Council of Europe summit along with Erdogan, he said: "We have
      recognized Armenia's independence but we don't have any diplomatic
      contact. Despite this, we have initiated flights to Yerevan from
      Istanbul. In another step, our Culture and Tourism Ministry has
      completed restoring the Armenian church on Van's Akdamar Island. The
      conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia continues. There are some
      positive developments, though. France, Britain and the U.S., which
      have been so effective elsewhere, should become more active in the
      troubles because their involvement will help lead to a solution.
      There are seven different regions in Nagorno-Karabakh. We don't know
      how much of this Armenia will concede.

      "We don't want bad relations with any of our neighbors. An Armenian
      official brought up the so-called Armenian issue [at the summit]
      when we were not looking. The next day, I replied and reiterated
      the positions that we have already laid out. We have opened up our
      state archives and there are over 1 million documents that we have
      declassified so far. We are ready to look at our history. Let the
      Armenians open their archives if they have them. Let the historians
      work on the issue and we will make a political decision when the time
      is right. Unfortunately, we haven't yet received a positive reply
      from Armenian President Robert Kocharian."

      Erdogan continued, "During its history, Turkey has never degraded
      itself to the vile cruelty of committing genocide. It's out of the
      question for us to accept this." Erdogan said that it was normal
      for the Ottomans, who were battling on three fronts, to decide to
      relocate the Armenians, who were rebelling at the provocation of
      other countries. The decision to relocate the Armenians, who lived
      for centuries under Ottoman rule, should be evaluated according to the
      conditions of the time, he said. Deaths happened during the relocation,
      argued Erdogan.

      Erdogan declared that Turkey will never accept that a genocide has
      been committed in its history. He also cited how hundreds of years
      ago Jews who were expelled from Christian Spain found safe haven in
      Ottoman territory.

      -----------
      Copyright 2005, Turkish Daily News. This article is redistributed with
      permission for personal use of Groong readers. No part of this article
      may be reproduced, further distributed or archived without the prior
      permission of the publisher. Contact Turkish Daily News Online at
      http://www.TurkishDailyNews.com for details.
      Once the new revolution starts in Iran the new government will recognize the Armenian Genocide but for now Iran will keep its mouth shut because the supreme leader is Azeri and any kind of talk about the genocide will disrupt the Turkish community in Iran. My mother is of turkish decent but I have my own opinions and by reading up on all the details and talking to a few Armenian friends I chose to recognize the genocide and I believe Turkiye will do the same in the not to distant future.

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      • #4
        From your mouth to Gods ear.
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

        Comment


        • #5
          Originally posted by Tursian
          Once the new revolution starts in Iran the new government will recognize the Armenian Genocide but for now Iran will keep its mouth shut because the supreme leader is Azeri and any kind of talk about the genocide will disrupt the Turkish community in Iran. My mother is of turkish decent but I have my own opinions and by reading up on all the details and talking to a few Armenian friends I chose to recognize the genocide and I believe Turkiye will do the same in the not to distant future.
          Thanks for visiting the forum. What is your mothers stance on the Armenian Genocide? and what is her stance on your stance on the AG?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Hovik
            Thanks for visiting the forum. What is your mothers stance on the Armenian Genocide? and what is her stance on your stance on the AG?
            She trys not to get involved in politics but she understands where the Armenians are comming from because she's gone through the same thing in Iran because of her religion but she wont really tell me her views on the Genocide and I dont want to push any buttons. She supports the fact that I needed to know or was curious to find out the real story behind the Genocide so it wasn't really an issue and my mother tends to leave things in the past because of her difficult past in Iran after the revolution.

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            • #7
              Interesting, thank you.

              What about you. What did you do to learn about it? and what was it that specifically brought you to recognition?

              Hovik

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by Hovik
                Interesting, thank you.

                What about you. What did you do to learn about it? and what was it that specifically brought you to recognition?

                Hovik
                At first I didnt know a lot about Armenians because I was raised in Canada but my parents filled me in and left out the whole Genocide situation because I guess I was too young to understand lol but as I got older I heard the stories and became curious as to why the two countries (Turkey and Armenia) hated each other so much but I worked with a few Armenians and they filled me in on the whole situation and even showed me a few clips/pictures from the Genocide. There's a lot of proof that supports the Gonocide theory but again I chose to believe my friends and stand behind not only them but all the other Armenians. We all live in the same country and if we want to live in peace then we all have to respect each other.

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                • #9
                  No we are approaching this issue The Turkish way cince it happened in Tirkey Turkey is guilty! until proven innocent,
                  And you are a Turk because an Armenians living in Turkey have showed their agreement with us by staying silent.You must be a discipable person to use an Armenian nick and pretend to be us an imposter just like your govermant.
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ohannes Kuyumcu
                    They are right in a way because armenian genocide is an historical event and it must be accepted by historians mostly turkish. The turkish are ready to face it if there is a genocide but they are waiting for armenian historians to come to turkey examine the archives freely and prove it. but i think the diaspora armenians dont want it to come to a solution because they think that it is the only reason that make them together because the diaspora armenians are supported by the countries they are living in. a civilizations conflict would make the people in america and europe to return to their christianity. Thats why these countries use the armenian diaspora. I say proving our genocide in a scientific way
                    The Armenian genocide is a historical event accepted by the majority of respectable historians form respectable institutions worldwide regardless of ethnicity (people with "no horse in the race").

                    Turkish historians whether through ignorance, blind patriotism, or government pressure will never agree that there was an Armenian Genocide except for a small and brave minority (Akcam, Berktay, Gocek) no matter what proof is given...many have stated that in the past so what is the point of the victim asking the perpatraitor to reconsider their offical stance?

                    Furthermore, it is false that the Ottoman archives are open to scholars who do not ascribe to the official Turkish thesis (Israel Charny is a an example of one who was barred from research there). Additionally, the archives are not catalouged. The supposed opening of the Ottoman archives is a public relations ploy and one must go through enormous red tape to even have access considered by the state apparatus.
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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