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Armenia, Azerbaijan `Close To Karabakh Deal'

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  • Problem of Karabakh

    Originally posted by Hovik
    Anyone know which one of the seven districts would remain in Armenian control? My guess is Lachin or Agdam, depending on wether or not Lachin is even considered an option...


    Problem of Karabakh



    A research group of The Economist believes that there is progress in the negotiating process for resolving the Karabakh conflict. They say that the most probable scenario is to resolve it in a package-stage by stage way, i.e. Armenia gives back 6 of 7 “occupied” districts to Azerbaijan, this followed by a referendum in Nagorno Karabakh in the subsequent 10-15 years for determining its status. The researchers also say that deployed in the conflict zone may be international peacekeeping forces comprising contingents from the OSCE Minsk Group co-chair countries.



    “2005 has seen the Karabakh peace talks developing in the right direction,” the OSCE MG US co-chair, Ambassador Steven Mann says in an interview to Azadlyg radio. The diplomat says that with no elections in Azerbaijan and Armenia in 2006, their presidents will be able to give more attention to the conflict. As far as Mann knows, the Azeri and Armenian presidents have agreed on a new meeting in late January. He notes that they are now working to decide the venue and time of the meeting. “The co-chairs expect serious decisions from the meeting. The foreign ministries and the co-chairs have done a lot to bring positions closer. We are now on such a stage that, like in Kazan and Warsaw, there is a need for the presidents to meet personally,” he says. Mann says that the sides have got much closer in their positions in the framework of the Prague process in the last two years. But there are still big gaps, and Mann hopes that 2006 will give real chances for the sides to reduce their discords on the key issues. Mann says that the presidents are sincerely concerned for attaining peace agreement. He does not agree with the view that people in both countries are not ready for a compromise. “This year deciding on both sides must be not only governments but also peoples so as to improve the lives of those having suffered from the conflict,” he says.



    Zerkalo says: "Judging from the statements by officials of the conflicting parties, Armenia and Azerbaijan seem to be trying to leave room for maneuver and way for retreat. There are several reasons for that… First, 2006, as say the international mediators and the conflicting parties themselves, is only “a window” for attaining real progress in the settlement. But any “window” can “get slammed” quite unexpectedly, especially before important electoral processes. The opposition in both Armenia and Azerbaijan can’t wait to see the government stumbling over something serious. Second, the sides are haggling over better peace conditions to be able to hold back “the storm of popular indignation” at the “defeatist peace”.



    As it has become known from reliable diplomatic sources, the international mediators propose liberating the occupied territories according to the 5+1+1 scheme. That is, at first, within the 1.5-2 years after the signing of the peace agreement, liberated will be 5 districts in exchange for full rapprochement between the sides. While the other provisions are met, i.e. after Azerbaijan makes changes to its constitution to sanction a referendum on territorial issues in a separate region of the country, liberated will be Kalbajar. And finally, simultaneously with the referendum on Nagorno Karabakh, liberated will be Lachin. The issue of control over the Lachin corridor functioning will be considered separately.



    Armenia accepts the scheme on the whole, but has certain doubts that it is expedient to liberate Lachin. Official Baku keeps insisting on liberating 6 districts at the very first stage. But there are more serious discords about when to carry out the second and third stages. Official Yerevan insists on implementing the agreement as quickly as possible – within 5 years and on Azerbaijan to make amendments to its constitutions by 2007, that is, by the next presidential election in Armenia. Official Baku is for more “moderate” pace, especially concerning the steps to amend the constitution and to hold a referendum in Nagorno Karabakh. In exchange, official Baku is ready to undertake serious commitments for economic development of NK. On the whole, official Baku proposes “extending” the implementation of the peace agreement for 15-20 years, its formal argument being that one cannot force people to vote on a serious issue until the confidence between the conflicting parties is restored. There is, obviously, certain logic in this approach. But one should admit that both Armenia’s attempts to maximally “shorten” and Azerbaijan’s efforts to “lengthen” the implementation of the peace agreement come from the political interests of their ruling elites. But the international mediators will try to argue them for 10 years…


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    14:28 12/30/2005
    Mamed Suleimanov
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • Thanks for the article Gavur jan.

      I can understand the first five, but Kelbajar and Lachin MUST stay in Armenian control. "It's not part of the Ancient Armenian homeland" ? Thats fine. They started a war, and they lost it... sorry you lose land, even land that you weren't planning on getting... Too bad. Armenia needs more than just the Lachin corridor for security. Kelbajar would provide a much more secure link between the two nations. Or if the "referendum" plan works - it'll be the same nation...

      Gavur, do you have any resources that desribe how much of Shahumian Marz is under Armenian control? I can't remember, but it seems like we controlled it and then it was re-captured by the Azeris. Or maybe we still have control of it. Any idea? I can't believe I don't know this...

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      • Future Peacekeeping Forces in Occupied Territories May Consist of

        Baku Today, Azerbaijan
        Dec 30 2005

        Future Peacekeeping Forces in Occupied Territories May Consist of
        Russian Troops - Report

        30/12/2005 22:25

        According to a source close to diplomatic circles, the backbone of
        the future peacekeeping forces will be the Russian troops, which
        explains enthusiasm of the Russian cochairman Yuri Merzliakov
        concerning the perspectives of settlement in 2006, and confirms stage
        by stage regulation of the conflict, Turan news agency reported
        today.

        One of the elements of the future plan of settlement of the Karabakh
        conflict is deployment of peacekeeping forces into the conflict zone.
        The OSCE High Planning Group is working on technical questions of the
        conflict at present.

        But there is concern that stay of the Russian peacekeeping forces in
        the region can delay because of lack of guarantees that the conflict
        will be settled soon. Russian is seen as defender of sepearatists in
        Abkhazia and South Osetia, in Georgia. News agency reports,
        forAzerbaijanis the factor of peacekeepers may turn into serious
        headache, in addition to the problem of settling the conflict.

        According to reports, peacekeeping forces will be deployed to the
        territory of some regions which must be liberated, while status quo
        of Nagorno Karabakh will remain unchanged.

        The same source believes that actualization of the question on
        deployment of peacekeeping forces to the region is a result of the
        American-Russian agreements which do not provide fair settlement of
        the Karabakh conflict.

        Information for this report provided by Turan

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        • Session Of Pace Sub-committee On Nagorno Karabakh Conflict To Take Place In Paris

          BAKU, 07.01.06. On January 9, annual session of PACE sub-committee on Nagorno Karabakh and Armenia-Azerbaijan conflicts will take place in Paris, informs Azerbaijani TV-channel citing member of Azerbaijan delegation member and head of Parliamentary committee on inter-parliamentary cooperation Samed Seidov. At the session, a report created by the committee will be discussed. Later, the report will be transferred to the Council of Europe Bureau and Parliamentary Assembly. Delegations of Azerbaijan and Armenia will participate in the session and present their opinions.

          "All truth passes through three stages:
          First, it is ridiculed;
          Second, it is violently opposed; and
          Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

          Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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          • Azerbaijan rated 'mostly unfree'


            Azerbaijan was rated as a 'mostly unfree' country in a report on economic freedoms in 2005 issued by the American think-tank, the Heritage Foundation.

            The annual report covered such indicators as foreign investments, the extent of the government's interference, presence of the shadow economy, and property rights around the world.
            Azerbaijan was rated 123rd among 157 countries, while Russia 122nd, Armenia 27th, and Georgia 68th.
            In a positive development, the report said that since Azerbaijan is a major oil exporter, foreign direct investment in the energy and related industries has been strong. Rising oil revenues have given the government budget a solid surplus. The government spending, mainly on healthcare and education, has increased as part of the country's commitment to the International Monetary Fund's poverty reduction and growth plan, it said.
            The report cited the U.S. Department of Commerce feedback, saying that the Azeri government officially welcomed foreign investment, but "bureaucracy, weak legal institutions, and predatory behavior by politically connected monopoly interests have severely hindered investment outside of the energy sector." 'Preoccupation with the oil industry' has diverted state attention from non-oil-sector development and slowed down judicial and legal reforms, it said.
            As for trade policy, the report said that non-tariff barriers, "include a weak and unpredictable legal regime, arbitrary customs administration, clear conflicts of interest in regulatory and commercial matters, and corruption".
            Also rated as 'mostly unfree' were 72 other countries, including Russia, Ukraine, Romania, and Moldova. 52 states were rated as 'mostly free', including Armenia and Georgia. 12 countries got the 'unfree' rating, including Belarus, Cuba and Turkmenistan. The situation improved in 33 countries, including Romania, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan, but worsened in 10 countries, including Iran and Italy, it said.
            20 countries or regions were rated as 'free', including the United States, Hong Kong, Singapore, Ireland, Luxembourg, Great Britain, Iceland, Estonia, Denmark, Australia, and New Zealand.
            "All truth passes through three stages:
            First, it is ridiculed;
            Second, it is violently opposed; and
            Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

            Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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            • Anyone know where I can access a good, free, detailed, current map of Artsakh online? I've looked but haven't come across any that fit my needs..

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              • Originally posted by Hovik
                Anyone know where I can access a good, free, detailed, current map of Artsakh online? I've looked but haven't come across any that fit my needs..


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                • Armenian, Azeri FMs To Prepare For Crucial Karabakh Summit

                  By Armen Dulian

                  Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian said Tuesday that he and his Azerbaijani counterpart Elmar Mammadyarov will hold talks next week to prepare for a meeting of their presidents that could yield a breakthrough in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

                  Oskanian said the talks are scheduled to take place in London on January 17-18 in the presence of international mediators and will be followed by the Armenian-Azerbaijani summit some time next month. “Its precise date and venue has not been ascertained yet,” he told a news conference.

                  “I think that after those two meetings it will be clearer what developments will occur in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in 2006,” he added, highlighting great hopes pinned on the face-to-face meeting of Presidents Ilham Aliev and Robert Kocharian.

                  It is widely agreed that further progress in the peace process depends on the results of the encounter. Addressing members of Azerbaijan’s Security Council last week, Aliev expressed hope that this year will see a resolution of the Karabakh dispute.

                  Karabakh will also be high on the agenda of an upcoming visit to the region by the new chairman-in-office of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, Belgian Foreign Minister Karel De Gucht. Oskanian said he will be in Yerevan on January 24.
                  Foreign Minister Vartan Oskanian said Tuesday that he and his Azerbaijani counterpart Elmar Mammadyarov will hold talks next week to prepare for a meeting of their presidents that could yield a breakthrough in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • Karabakh’s Status To Be Defined In Second Stage

                    Azg touched upon the statements made by the British "James’s Information Group" experts, according to which Azerbaijan has finally approved the idea of holding referendum in Nagorno Karabakh to define its status.

                    The experts of the British analytical company also stated that, according to their conclusions, Armenia has agreed to apply stage-by-stage version of the settlement that envisages withdrawal of the armed forces from the neighboring regions of NKR. According to them, earlier Baku was against the referendum and it was envisaged to deploy the peacekeeping forces there to secure the safety of the residents.

                    On January 12, Tayir Tagizade, the press secretary of Foreign Ministry of Azerbaijan, stated that the issue of NKR’s status isn’t discussed in the current stage of the negotiations. According to the Azeri "APA" agency, this issue will be discussed in the second stage of the negotiations. Tagizade said that the issues of liberating the Azerbaijani regions, withdrawal of armed forces, demining the territories, return of the refugees and other issues are being discussed, at present.

                    According to the Azeri side, the status of NKR can be discussed only after the restoration of the region’s ethnic composition, as of its state before the conflict. Tagizade added that the constitution of Azerbaijan envisages holding referendum, but that should be a nation wide referendum, when all the residents of the country will be able to participate in that.

                    By Aghavni Harutyunian
                    "All truth passes through three stages:
                    First, it is ridiculed;
                    Second, it is violently opposed; and
                    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                    • The Carnage Of Armenians, Baku, January 13-14 1990

                      THE CARNAGE OF ARMENIANS, BAKU, JANUARY 13-14 1990, WAS A PROVOCATION PLANNED BY THE USSR AUTHORITIES AND THE "NATIONAL FRONT" PARTY

                      YEREVAN, JANUARY 14. ARMINFO. "THE CARNAGE OF ARMENIANS IN BAKU, JANUARY 13-14 1990, WAS A PROVOCATION PLANNED BY THE USSR AUTHORITIES AND THE 'NATIONAL FRONT' PARTY", said in an interview to the Azerbaijani "Echo" newspaper an Azeri political scientist Zardusht Alizade, the eyewitness of those events and the founder of the "National Front" party, who had left the party by 1990.

                      According to the political scientist, the USSR authorities had its own agents in the "National Front" party board that played a role of nationalistic provocateurs. They urged a great number of Azeri people to commit the crime persuading them that it was a matter of patriotism. One of the provocateurs was a KGB agent Abulfaz Elchibey, that entered the party in July 1989. According to Mr. Alizade, the nationalistic movement in Azerbaijan was planned as a mere cover for overthrowing the then President of Azerbaijan Vezirov and bringing to power Heidar Aliev. A similar movement was started in Armenia. "In result of the plot thwarted by Gorbachov, Kriuchkov and others, January 13-14 56 armnians were murdered in Baku and 26 in Sumgait, and also 5 more people of other nationalities," said Mr. Alizade. "Many of members 'National Front' party members put their lives into danger trying to save the Armenians, while the brigands of Elchibey went on with the massacre. Thus, the part of the 'National Front' party in the events is contradictory: the radical nationalistic members were involved in the crime, while the others strove to prevent it," concluded Mr. Alizade.
                      "All truth passes through three stages:
                      First, it is ridiculed;
                      Second, it is violently opposed; and
                      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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