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  • Russia welcomes visit of Armenian and Azeri intellectuals to Stepanakert, Yerevan and

    Russia welcomes visit of Armenian and Azeri intellectuals to Stepanakert, Yerevan and Baku

    /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The Russian Foreign Ministry welcomes the Stepanakert-Yerevan-Baku trip of Armenian and Azeri intellectuals, says a statement issued by the RF MFA. “We eye this event held on the initiative of Armenian and Azerbaijan Ambassadors in Moscow as an important step taken by the Nagorno Karabakh conflict sides towards creation of atmosphere of trust and more favorable situation for the conflict resolution. We are hopeful that the initiated dialogue will be continued and will engage wide publics in both states,” the document says.

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    • Stratfor: expectations of renewed fight between Armenia and Azerbaijan rising
      04.07.2007 15:21 GMT+04:00

      /PanARMENIAN.Net/ Expectations of a renewed fight between Armenia and Azerbaijan over the Nagorno Karabakh region are rising, since Azerbaijan has started using the huge windfall of cash from its new pipeline to quintuple its defense budget. This time, the conflict could serve as a spark for the larger struggle between the United States and Russia, said the experts of Stratfor intelligence center.

      The conflict between Armenia and its neighbor Azerbaijan over the disputed Nagorno Karabakh region has crescendoed in recent months, since Azerbaijan has started seeing the enormous cash windfall from its new pipeline and Armenia has scrambled to secure a protective Russian presence within its borders. But the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia is about more than the two states and their disputed territory; the United States and Russia are using that conflict as a foothold to strengthen their positions in the region as they try to expel each other, the experts say.

      Armenia and Azerbaijan have long been deadlocked over the small sliver of land between the two states, though the conflict has been relatively dormant since the 1994 cease-fire. Technically, Nagorno-Karabakh is within Azeri territory, though it is controlled by Armenia. International pressure, lack of support from every nation but Russia and Iran, and fear of Azeri retaliation have kept Armenia from annexing the territory. Azerbaijan has been held back from retaking the land due to international pressure and the Azeri military’s relative weakness. Russia has maintained a shaky and controversial balance by supporting both sides.

      However, Azerbaijan began to see the possibility of change in 2006 with the completion of its Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, which Western companies developed to feed oil to Europe. Azerbaijan not only became increasingly pro-Western, but it also saw tremendous new income. Azerbaijan’s president has already decided how he wants to spend his country’s newfound wealth: on defense. In 2004, Azerbaijan’s defense spending was approximately $175 million, but by the beginning of 2008, the country will begin spending at least $1 billion on defense. Armenia recently increased its defense spending by 20 percent -- from $125 million to $150 million, which obviously pales in comparison to Azerbaijan’s increase. Azerbaijan’s spending will go mostly toward air offensive capabilities, with Armenia’s going to air defense, though both now are looking to expand their ground capabilities.

      Armenia simply lacks the influx of energy income that Azerbaijan has. The enormous Armenian diaspora inside the United States has ensured that Armenia is one of the largest recipients of U.S. foreign aid, but Armenia’s neighbors -- Azerbaijan, Georgia and Turkey -- have shunned it economically and politically, leaving it with little opportunity for trade or expansion. The one neighbor Armenia has an open relationship with is Iran. In March, Iran and Armenia opened the Iran-Armenia natural gas pipeline; Iran ships natural gas north and Armenia converts the natural gas to electricity to export back south to Iran. The pipeline itself is owned by Russia, as is much of Armenia’s energy infrastructure, the experts note, www.stratfor.com reports.

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      • Good Analysis

        ZERO HOUR APPROACHES FOR YEREVAN: AZERBAIJANI BLITZKRIEG IS UNLIKELY
        by Oleg Glashatov

        Source: Voyenno-Promyshlenny Kurier, No 25, July 4 - 10, 2007, p. 3
        Agency WPS
        DEFENSE and SECURITY (Russia)
        July 6, 2007 Friday

        War Over Karabakh

        Azerbaijan prepares to fight for Nagorno-Karabakh. Will there be war?

        Lieutenant General Seiran Oganjan, commander of the Nagorno-Karabakh
        Defense Army and Defense Minister of Nagorno-Karabakh, is the
        new Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian regular army. His
        appointment indicates that the government of Armenia is seriously
        upset by Azerbaijan's militant statements. Otherwise, it would hardly
        be necessary to transfer a combat general from a familiar region of
        potential hostilities to the capital of Armenia.

        Oganjan will be required to focus the Armenian military's "brain
        center" on planning specific measures to repel a potential attack, and
        improving combined troops management mechanisms for the Armenian Armed
        Forces and the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army. Unfortunately, there
        is still no reassurance for Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh on that issue.

        The newly appointed chief of the General Staff clearly understands
        what kind of losses may be incurred if forces of the Nagorno-Karabakh
        Defense Army are withdrawn unilaterally from the "safety belt"
        territories and the defense system established in those territories is
        eliminated. Nevertheless, the view in Yerevan is that Armenia should
        be prepared to take this step since Nagorno-Karabakh talks have been
        under way for years but their outcome remains unpredictable.

        The current front-line configuration is optimal for Yerevan. The
        southern flank of the Artsakh front is covered by the Iranian border,
        the northern by the inaccessible Mrava mountain range. To the east,
        as far as the Araks, Armenian troops are manning a well-fortified
        border with several lines of defense. Harsh as it may sound, the
        border is fairly effective.

        Azerbaijani military experts claim that almost 5,000 soldiers
        of the national army died there in episodes of violation of the
        Azerbaijani-Armenian cease-fire accord (signed in Bishkek on May 12,
        1994) and of other causes (explosions of landmines, and so on). The
        death-toll was particularly heavy between 1995 and 2000 (over 2,000
        servicemen and officers). Over 200 soldiers and officers of the
        Azerbaijani regular army died between 2000 and the present.

        If the territories of six districts captured by Armenia in the
        Nagorno-Karabakh war are returned to Azerbaijan, leaving only
        he Lachi corridor, the common front-line between the two Armenian
        states and Azerbaijan, including Nakhichevan, would increase by over
        450 kilometers, to 1,100 kilometers. The length of the front-line
        between Artsakh and Azerbaijan would increase from 150 kilometers to
        360 kilometers. What would this imply? In order to provide reliable
        cover for a substantially longer front-line, Armenia would have to
        mobilize substantial resources - both human and financial resources.

        There is a fairly high risk that the Nagorno-Karabakh territories may
        be returned to Azerbaijan's jurisdiction by force. Several possible
        scenarios have been considered. The opinion of Azerbaijani military
        expert Uzeir Jafarov reflects the mood of a large group of Azerbaijani
        politicians. "If the order to liberate Nagorno-Karabakh by force of
        arms is issued tomorrow, I don't think it would be too difficult,"
        Jafarov said. "Funding for our Armed Forces in 2007 is equivalent to
        $1.1 billion, and we should consider how all this money can be spent
        in a rational way."

        Indeed, Azerbaijan's militarization is proceeding at a rapid rate.

        Azerbaijan has started intensive purchases of long-range rocket
        and artillery systems. In recent years, it has purchased 12 Smerch
        multiple rocket launcher systems from the Ukraine. With a range of up
        to 70 kilometers, these systems can be fired from far in the rear to
        strike across large areas. In 2002, Azerbaijan purchased 36 M-46 130-mm
        artillery pieces from Bulgaria. The Ukraine supplied 72 MT-12 100-mm
        anti-tank weapons, and Georgia supplied six SU-25 ground-strafers in
        the same year.

        On March 29, 2007, the Azerbaijani Air Force tested the MIG-29s
        supplied by the Ukraine. Azerbaijani experts say that the United
        States has modernized seven military airfields in Azerbaijan. Some
        T-72 tanks have been purchased from Slovakia and the Ukraine. In 2005,
        Belarus officially announced the sale of nineteen T-72s to Azerbaijan.

        If the hostilities move into the mountain areas, this would mean an
        enhanced role for mortars which are very effective in this terrain.

        Azerbaijan is striving to build up superiority in these weapons as
        well. It has bought Nona systems which may be used as howitzers and
        mortars with a vertical alignment angle of up to 80 degrees.

        According to the Stockholm International Institute for Strategic
        Studies, Azerbaijan currently has 26 Nona systems.

        Azerbaijan makes multiple rocket launchers and ordnances for them,
        as well as mortars and some munitions. Certain difficulties are
        encountered with the repair facilities for armored vehicles. What
        facilities existed in Soviet Azerbaijan failed to last for long.

        Azerbaijan has been compelled to enlist the services of the former
        Russian 142nd Repair Plant of the former Caucasus Military District
        in Tbilisi or send its armored vehicles for repairs in the Ukraine
        since the Nagorno-Karabakh war. As a matter of fact, the situation
        is some other sectors of the military industry is similar. Strictly
        speaking, the republic cannot expect to develop the ability to produce
        or repair sophisticated and complicated military hardware in the
        foreseeable future.

        For obvious reasons, official data on the military hardware balance
        between opposing sides in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict area cannot
        reflect the true picture. According to independent sources, however,
        the Armed Forces of Azerbaijan have a total of 95,000 personnel: 85,000
        in the Ground Forces, 8,000 in the Air Force and Antiaircraft Forces,
        and 2,000 in the Navy. Azerbaijan also has a National Guard (2,500
        men), Interior Ministry police troops (12,000), and Border Guards
        (5,000). The Ground Forces have 292 tanks, 706 armored vehicles,
        405 artillery pieces and mortars, 75 BM-21 multiple rocket launcher
        systems, and 370 anti-tank rocket launchers. The Air Force has
        61 combat aircraft and 46 auxiliary aircraft and helicopters. Its
        main airbases are at Kyurdamir, Zeinalabdin (equipped with a NATO
        air traffic monitoring system), Dallyar, Gyandzha, and Kala. The
        Antiaircraft Forces include four air defense brigades, one air defense
        regiment, and two separate radar battalions. They are equipped with
        S-200, S-125, S-75 (35 launchers), Krug, and Osa air defense complexes.

        The Azerbaijani Navy has a brigade of surface combatants (a division of
        patrol ships, a division of landing ships, a division of minesweepers,
        a division of the search and rescue services, a division of training
        vessels), a territorial waters security brigade, a marines battalion,
        an intelligence and special assignment center, and coast guard
        units. The Navy has a total of 14 warships and patrol boats and 22
        auxiliary vessels but not all of them are serviceable at present due to
        various technical problems and a shortage of experienced specialists.

        How do the Armenian Armed Forces compare? They have a total of
        53,500 personnel (56,000, according to other estimates) including
        nearly 45,000 men in the Ground Forces, approximately 3,900 in the
        Antiaircraft Forces, and up to 700 in the Air Force. The Armenian
        Ground Forces have eight operational-tactical rocket launchers,
        198 T-72 tanks, 338 armored personnel carrier and infantry fighting
        vehicles, 360 field artillery pieces, mortars, and multiple rocket
        launcher systems, around 160 100-mm guns for firing on ground targets,
        55 air defense launcher systems (S-75s, S-125s, Krugs, Osas), and two
        divisions of S-300 antiaircraft complexes. The Air Force has seven
        aircraft (six SU-25s and a MIG-25), 12 combat helicopters (seven
        MI-24s, three MI-24Ks, and two MI-24Rs), and 26 auxiliary aircraft
        (two L-39s, 16 MI-2s, and eight MI-8MTs).

        Like the Armenian Armed Forces, the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army is

        well-trained and well-equipped. It has between 18,500 and 20,000
        officers and soldiers with 220,000 to 30,000 reserve personnel for
        mobilization. The Ground Forces have up to 16,000 men across eight
        defense districts. According to various sources, the Ground Forces
        have between 177 and 316 tanks, between 256 and 324 armored vehicles,
        219 to 322 artillery pieces and mortars including up to 26 BM-21
        multiple rocket launcher systems. The Air Force has up to 250 personnel
        with two SU-25s, four MI-24s, and up to five other helicopters. The
        Antiaircraft Forces are based on air defense weapons transferred from
        Armenia. The air defense center in Stepanakert has one S-125 system,
        four Krug launchers, eight OSA-AK systems, and four mobile ZSU-23-4
        antiaircraft guns.

        Defense experts say that even though the armed forces of Armenia
        and Nagorno-Karabakh are smaller than the Azerbaijani Armed Forces,
        they are more combat-capable. This is particularly applicable to
        the Nagorno-Karabakh Defense Army which is relatively mobile and
        compact and whose officers have combat experience. By mobilizing 100%
        of Nagorno-Karabakh war veterans, it can operate as small autonomous
        units in mountain terrain.

        Speaking at John Hopkins University in Washington, US Council on
        Foreign Relations analyst Wayne Merry noted that Azerbaijan cannot
        win even though military options for resolving the conflict are
        being discussed openly in Azerbaijan. He is of the opinion that
        Nagorno-Karabakh is an impregnable fortress, further strengthened
        by Armenian forces and that even the US Army would have difficulty
        attacking this fortress. According to the analyst, this is also the
        prevalent view in the Pentagon.

        Azerbaijan in the meantime takes an entirely different view of the
        situation. Zahir Oruj, a member of the Defense and Security Committee
        of the republican parliament, says, "Armenia can only be superior
        to us in the capacities it gains from bilateral military agreements
        with Russia and participation in the CIS Collective Security Treaty
        Organization. For all other parameters and resources, Azerbaijan is
        superior to Armenia, at least in military terms."

        Hostilities could resume in several ways. In almost every scenario,
        they would be started either by Azerbaijan or by dubious international
        structures that specialize in the promotion of the West's interests
        in this region (such as the International Crisis Group). The most
        immediately relevant scenario could involve the United States attacking
        Iran, and Azerbaijan taking advantage of the chaos to make an attempt
        at sorting out the Nagorno-Karabakh problem once and for all. However,
        Azerbaijan could hardly expect substantial military support in these
        circumstances from either the United States (it would be too busy
        elsewhere) or Turkey (which might confine its participation in the
        conflict to sending volunteers).

        All of the above leads to the following conclusion: Azerbaijan is
        unlikely to succeed with a blitzkrieg in the immediate future. The
        time factor will be decisive in this situation as it is in most modern
        conflicts. Moreover, if hostilities do break out, Russia's political
        obligations would come into effect: Armenia is an ally within the
        CIS Collective Security Treaty Organization. Consequently, Moscow is
        likely to make every effort to see that this conflict is resolved by
        diplomatic or other means.
        General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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        • Very informative post, Joseph.
          The azeris consistently bray about the Russian aid to Artsakh and Armenia simply to play on the nerves of the West.
          Despite purchases of weapons from various sources, the azeris still need dedicated ground troops where it matters.......they don't and will not have these. There are too many internal dissensions in azerbaijan to allow them to commit a sustained attack on a defence manned by men fighting in front of their own hearths.

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          • Matt Bryza refused to comment on U.S. recognition of Azerbaijan’s territorial integri

            Source: PanARMENIAN.Net
            URL: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22945
            Date: 11.07.2007 13:47 GMT+04:00


            Matt Bryza refused to comment on U.S. recognition of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity

            /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The United States and Azerbaijan exchanged views on the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement during the security consultations in Washington.

            “Washington has always recognized independence and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan,” Azeri Deputy Foreign Minister Araz Azimov told a news conference.

            However, the OSCE Minsk Group U.S. Co-chair, Mr Matthew Bryza refused to comment on the issue of U.S. recognition of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity.

            “Discussions are held. However, there is no universal formula of priority between the principles of territorial integrity and the peoples’ right to self-determination,” he said, APA reports.
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            • Originally posted by Hovik View Post
              Source: PanARMENIAN.Net
              URL: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22945
              Date: 11.07.2007 13:47 GMT+04:00


              Matt Bryza refused to comment on U.S. recognition of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity

              /PanARMENIAN.Net/ The United States and Azerbaijan exchanged views on the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement during the security consultations in Washington.

              “Washington has always recognized independence and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan,” Azeri Deputy Foreign Minister Araz Azimov told a news conference.

              However, the OSCE Minsk Group U.S. Co-chair, Mr Matthew Bryza refused to comment on the issue of U.S. recognition of Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity.

              “Discussions are held. However, there is no universal formula of priority between the principles of territorial integrity and the peoples’ right to self-determination,” he said, APA reports.
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              Interesting. Good catch Hovik. The Azeris will raise a bug fuss about this and he will recant but nevertheless, the damage has been done. Byrza may find himself removed from his position by his superiors very soon. We'll see.
              General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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              • Elections in Karabakh "pre-empt" outcome of ongoing negotiations, CMCE says

                Source: PanARMENIAN.Net
                URL: http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=22981
                Date: 13.07.2007 19:05 GMT+04:00


                Elections in Karabakh "pre-empt" outcome of ongoing negotiations, CMCE says

                /PanARMENIAN.Net/ “As regards the “presidential elections” to be organized in Nagorno Karabakh on 19 July 2007, and having in mind that neither the “elections” nor their results are recognized by the international community, the Chairmanship of the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe reiterates its full support to the OSCE Minsk Group and its Co-Chairmen in their efforts towards a settlement of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict,” says a statement by Chairman of the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe, Serbian Foreign Minister Vuk Jeremic.

                It notes with concern that conducting such elections, thus pre-empting the outcome of the ongoing negotiations, cannot contribute to the resolution of the conflict. It calls on all parties concerned to intensify their efforts to find a peaceful solution to the conflict, in accordance with the commitment undertaken by Armenia and Azerbaijan upon accession to the Council of Europe, the CoE communication unit reports.

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                • Cry me river, again

                  Ankara will not recognize elections in Nagorno Karabakh
                  Tuesday, July 17, 2007

                  ANKARA - Turkish Daily news

                  The Turkish Foreign Ministry yesterday condemned the planned elections in Nagorno Karabakh, an Azerbaijani territory occupied by Armenian forces, saying that the July 19 elections will not be binding. �Turkey will no way recognize the results of the presidential elections which are illegitimate in terms of international law,� said the ministry in a written statement. Considering the upcoming elections as an attempt to legitimize the status quo in Nagorno Karabakh, the ministry said the polls were in violation of U.N. security Council resolutions as well as the principles of the Organization for security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Last week the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe similarly stated that neither the elections nor their results will be recognized by the international community. The Committee also reiterated its support to the OSCE Minsk group in their efforts toward a settlement of the conflict over Nagorno Karabakh.

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                  • Originally posted by steph View Post
                    Ankara will not recognize elections in Nagorno Karabakh
                    Tuesday, July 17, 2007

                    ANKARA - Turkish Daily news

                    The Turkish Foreign Ministry yesterday condemned the planned elections in Nagorno Karabakh, an Azerbaijani territory occupied by Armenian forces, saying that the July 19 elections will not be binding. ?Turkey will no way recognize the results of the presidential elections which are illegitimate in terms of international law,? said the ministry in a written statement. Considering the upcoming elections as an attempt to legitimize the status quo in Nagorno Karabakh, the ministry said the polls were in violation of U.N. security Council resolutions as well as the principles of the Organization for security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). Last week the Committee of Ministers of the Council of Europe similarly stated that neither the elections nor their results will be recognized by the international community. The Committee also reiterated its support to the OSCE Minsk group in their efforts toward a settlement of the conflict over Nagorno Karabakh.
                    Big Surprise, eh? Whether or not the Azeris and Turks like it, they'll have to sit down with the democratically elected Artsakh President if they want peace. In any event, the people of Artsakh will elect a leader and a government and life goes on despite Azeri whinning. BTW, we do not recognize the President of the ficticious entity the Turks call "Northern Cyprus".
                    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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                    • Originally posted by Joseph View Post
                      Big Surprise, eh? Whether or not the Azeris and Turks like it, they'll have to sit down with the democratically elected Artsakh President if they want peace. In any event, the people of Artsakh will elect a leader and a government and life goes on despite Azeri whinning. BTW, we do not recognize the President of the ficticious entity the Turks call "Northern Cyprus".
                      Really to keep logical with their stance of non-recognition, of soooo many things, the correct response to any elections in Artsakh should be a deafening silence from turks and azeris but they can't keep their bile down. Uh.

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