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    Discussing Genocide: Contextualizing the Armenian Experience in the Ottoman Empire

    By Ronald Grigor Suny and Fatma Muge Göçek



    "Contextualizing the Armenian Experience in the Ottoman Empire: From the Balkan Wars to the New Turkish Republic" was held March 7-10 at the International Institute. The event, organized by Professors Fatma Müge Göçek (sociology and women's studies, Michigan) and Ronald Grigor Suny (political science, Chicago), brought together historians, political scientists, sociologists and anthropologists from places as far away as Ankara, Turkey and Bochum, Germany.


    This workshop was supported by a "Crossing Borders: Revitalizing Area Studies" grant awarded by the Ford Foundation to the University of Michigan International Institute; by the College of Literature, Science, and the Arts and Department of Sociology at the University of Michigan; and by gifts from the Manoogian Simone Foundation and Zoryan Institute of Canada, Inc.


    The short twentieth century (1914-1991) was an era of the greatest mass killing in any period of human history. State violence against its own citizens in Stalin's Soviet Union and Mao's China, the Nazi Holocaust and the post-World War II ethnic cleansings and genocides in Cambodia, the Balkans and Rwanda have in some ways their most immediate predecessor in the deportation and massacres of hundreds of thousands of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire in 1915-1916. To understand what happened and why, two dozen scholars gathered at the University of Michigan to discuss topics that have led Turks and Armenians, not only to question what constitute the facts about the past, but also to engage in the most violent forms of scholarly and political attacks.

    The workshop began with the premise that in order to understand why the massacres occurred, the larger historical context-the tensions between the Armenians and the Turks, the ways in which the Turks constructed the Armenians as subversive and dangerous elements, the defeats and threats of the world war-had to be explored. Ronald Suny opened the proceedings with a review of the Armenian and Western historical writing on the massacres and deportations of 1915, followed by a parallel paper by Fatma Müge Göçek on the Turkish historiography. Suny proposed that the standard accounts left little room for understanding the complexity of the events. Existing histories attempt to explain the massacres by reference to religion or nationalism without fully considering that the Young Turks were secular modernizers dedicated to preserving an empire. Until now, much of Armenian historiography blamed the Turks, gave little active role to the Armenians and linked all of Ottoman history into a story that led inexorably to genocide. The official Turkish view, promoted by the state and its supporters claimed, "There was no genocide, and the Armenians are to blame."

    Suny proposed that not all repressions of Armenians by Turks were part of a single teleological process that led inevitably to genocide, that Ottoman governments had a variety of policies and ambitions vis-à-vis the Armenians and that their attitudes toward Armenians radicalized as World War I broke out. By the time the Young Turks went to war with Russia in late 1914, there was nothing that the Ottoman Armenians could do to prevent the leaders of the empire from carrying their evolving plans to eliminate one of their subject peoples.

    Göçek proposed a new periodization of the historiography on the Armenian
    deaths and massacres of 1915, from the investigative Ottoman to the defensive Republican and critical Post-nationalist periods. The late Ottoman narrative on 1915, recognizing that massive killing had taken place, was transformed in the Turkish Republican period into a defensive one under the impact of escalating nationalism. The Republican scholars did not aim to understand what actually happened; rather, they hoped to prove the Turkish thesis that focused on protecting the interests of the state. As a consequence, they selectively employed historical material and conflated deaths and massacres of the populace at different points in time to conclude that just as many Turks as Armenians had died. They thus dismissed the events of 1915 as an act of Turkish self-defense. Göçek showed that the official Turkish nationalist narrative put primary blame for the events on the imperialist Western powers that wanted to partition the empire and used the Ottoman minorities as an instrument in their plans. This historiography was also part of a state project to counter the Armenian allegations of genocide, which in the 1970s led to the assassination of Turkish diplomats by Armenian militants.

    In recent years, however, a few Turkish scholars, including Halil Berktay, Taner Akçam and others, have moved to a "post-nationalist" narrative, despite official political pressure, and are attempting to write a more objective and critical account. Göçek ended her presentation with the optimistic expectation that "the future integration of the Turkish Republic into the European Union" could be identified with "the beginning of the demise of Turkish nationalism and of the subsequent recognition of the wrongful Armenian deaths in 1915."


    The veteran scholar of the genocide, sociologist Vahakn Dadrian, disputed Suny's decoupling of the genocide from earlier Turkish massacres and his downplay of the significance of Islam as a cause of the violence. Dadrian claimed that Islam is a dogma that does not change and that the majority of massacres occurred on Fridays after Muslim services when clerics called for jihad against Armenians. Fikret Adanir (history, Ruhr University, Bochum) countered to point out that Islam is not monolithic, but that it was "instrumentalized" by some and turned into a weapon against Christians at times. He was followed by a young Turkish scholar, Soner Çagaptay (history, Yale), who reiterated that there is no single Islam. Islam can be a faith, an ideology, a culture or an identity. Particularly lethal in the Ottoman Empire was the coming of "modernity," when older religious notions were threatened. There had been no annihilation of Armenians in Turkey before the nineteenth century. Stephan Astourian (history, Berkeley) mentioned that thousands of Armenians were saved by Muslims. Aron Rodrigue (history, Stanford) added that Islam provided a "discursive divide" between Muslims and non-Muslims; it gave people a way at looking at those who were different.

    Eric D. Weitz (history, Minnesota) looked at the general phenomenon of twentieth-century genocides and linked them to the dark side of the Enlightenment. Following arguments made by Hannah Arendt and Zygmunt Bauman about the pernicious aspects of modernity-new technologies of warfare, enhanced state powers of surveillance, ideologies and governmental practices that categorized people according to race and nation-he argued that genocides occur when "the normal rules of human interaction are suspended and the practice of violence is honored and rewarded." Race thinking was central to the genocides of our own time, said Weitz, and when it is taken up by revolutionary transformative regimes with powerful visions of the future, the potential for intentional, state-initiated mass killing is enhanced. War, revolution and racism created a culture of killing that marked the last century as horrifically different from its predecessors.

    Rodrigue also engaged comparisons with the Jewish Holocaust, beginning with an elaboration of the particularities of the Ottoman social system and its breakdown in the nineteenth century. Defined by religious difference, Muslim and non-Muslim were always unequal in the fixed hierarchy of the Ottoman world, with Muslim as the governing element and Islam the governing religion. But the coming of Western influence and pressure, the new alternative vision of nationalism and the modernizing and centralizing practices of the Ottoman state disturbed profoundly the established relations between religious communities. Western domination, both internationally and in domestic economic life, led many Muslims to perceive non-Muslims as collaborators of the foreigners, whose ultimate aim was the destruction of the empire. In the view of the Ottoman rulers, the Armenians, who had been inferior, now appeared to be acting superior, an alien element bent on forming an independent state of their own.While Turkish nationalism inspired the Young Turks, they were primarily out to save their empire, not to build a nation-state. According to Rodrigue, "By 1915 a particularly fatal combination of resentment, humiliation and revengeful sentiment animated the ruling elite," which had suffered losses in the Balkans, defeat at the hands of the Russians at Sarikamis and faced an Allied landing at Gallipoli.

    Fikret Adanir made the essential point that the military disasters of the Balkan War of 1912-1913, in which the Ottomans lost almost all of "European Turkey," were a major turning point in the history of Ottoman policies toward minorities. The defeat led to the establishment of the one-party dictatorship in January 1913, the essential abandonment of the pluralistic Ottomanist project and its replacement "by an aggressive nationalism that aspired to a new mobilization along Turkish-Islamic lines." A heightened panic about losing Anatolia gripped the Young Turks. At the same time, the Armenian political leaders turned from working with the Young Turks to appeals, once again, to the Great Powers as a way to solve the Armenian Question. The attempts by the Young Turks to mobilize Christians into the Ottoman army met with resistance from the non-Muslims, particularly the Greeks, and the early defeats in the Balkan Wars were seen by many, including foreign observers, as the result of defections by Christian soldiers. Ottomanism as a multicultural project, said Adanir, ended on the battlefields of Thrace.

    Clearly influenced by Holocaust scholarship that has proposed an increasingly radical policy of the Nazis toward the Jews, Donald Bloxham (history, Southampton, England) presented a controversial paper on cumulative radicalization during the events of 1915. He argued that war was a key ingredient that led to mass killing of civilians. The Turkish policy became progressively more radical as the government saw the Armenians as a dangerous "fifth column" within their country. It was not until June of that year, he claimed, that the policy became genocidal, that is, deportations turned into systematic mass murder.

    The late Ottoman rulers faced the central problem of how to create a "national" consensus, a shared sense of Ottoman identity, in a multinational empire. Several papers made the case that as Turkish nationalism developed, it left no place for non-Muslims. A non-Muslim could not be a "Turk," Rodrigue claimed. This problem remained acute even in the new Turkish republic of the 1920s. Marc David Baer (history, Chicago) demonstrated how a small group of Jews who had converted to Islam in the seventeenth century found themselves marginalized, even threatened, as a narrow, racialized idea of Turkishness prevailed among many intellectuals. In a fascinating parallel to nineteenth-century German racial "science" discourses about German Jews, the "Salonikans" or Dönme were seen as a threat to the Turkish nation, as foreigners who led secret lives and had inordinate financial power.


    Using oral history and a recovered diary, Leyla Neyzi (anthropology, Sabanci University, Istanbul) reconstructed the story of Yasar Paker, born Haim Albükrek, a Turkish Jew who was conscripted into the nationalist army to fight during the Greco-Turkish War. Unlike the Christians, Jews were not seen as a threat by the Turks, but as a distinct group. Albükrek was reluctant but willing to fight with the Kemalists, and in later life he readily assimilated into Turkish national life.

    Similarly, Soner Çagaptay looked at the surviving Armenians in the republican period when conflicting definitions of belonging to the Turkish nation and being a Turkish citizen coexisted. Atatürk's Turkey had a civic idea of citizenship: "The People of Turkey, regardless of religion and race, are Turks as regards Turkish citizenship." But at the same time it conceived of the "Turkish Nation" as a cultural and linguistic community, and, as Çagaptay emphasized, even in the secular Kemalist republic Islam was part of the definition of the nation. "Turkish nationalism nurtured an aversion towards the Christians." Under pressure from the state, the non-Muslim communities renounced the rights granted them in the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne. Their political situation deteriorated significantly during the 1920s. Their religious institutions were threatened, and many of the thousands of Armenians left in Anatolia began to emigrate. Armenian nationalists abroad organized resistance to Turkish policies, even playing a significant role in the Kurdish rebellion of 1930, and this deepened the existing Turkish suspicion of Armenians. Even Armenians who had converted to Islam were suspect. In Çagaptay's words, "Religion created an ethnic boundary between the Armenians and the Turks," and the Kemalist continuity of millet attitudes rendered Turkey's Armenian citizens an alien nation within the polity.


    One of the most outspoken and courageous Turkish historians of the events of 1915, Taner Akçam, showed how Ottoman archival documents directly contradict the official Turkish state narrative. He argued that the Young Turks implemented a general resettlement plan for ethnic and religious minorities in Anatolia between 1913 and 1918 and that a decision to cleanse Anatolia of non-Muslim elements was made at the beginning of 1914. These plans applied, not only to Armenians, but also to Arabs, Kurds, Albanians, Bosnians and others, and were directed at the Turkification of Anatolia, which after the Balkan Wars was conceived as the heartland of the Turks. Armenians, however, were thought of and treated differently from other minorities. There were no qualms about killing Armenians, and Akçam stated that the documents suggest "a genocidal intention on the part of the ruling party."

    Stephan H. Astourian proposed that a social, even ecological, dimension must be added to the more ideological and political explanations for genocide. During the last Ottoman half-century, millions of Muslim refugees from the Caucasus and the Balkans migrated into eastern Anatolia and Cilicia, regions inhabited by large Armenian populations, increasing pressure on the limited resource of arable land. Beginning in the 1870s, Armenians began to complain to the Ottoman Porte about land seizures and other oppressive acts they were suffering at the hands of Kurds, Turks, Circassians and other Muslims in the eastern provinces.

    When the government did little to redress these grievances, Armenians appealed to foreign powers, and the internationalized "Armenian Question" was born. Sultan Abdülhamid II (1876-1909) aimed at the systematic de-Armenization of eastern Anatolia, which was carried out by usurpation of land, settlement of Muslims in the region, emigration of Armenians from the empire and the devastating massacres of 1894-1896 in which an estimated 150-200,000 Armenians were killed. The Young Turks, who came to power in 1908, essentially continued the sultan's demographic and land expropriation policies. Astourian concluded that the patterns of state centralization and modernization, demographic engineering and economic competition, particularly over land, as well as the political choices made by Abdulhamid II were at the root of the catastrophe of 1915.

    Continuing the investigation of Cilicia, historian Aram Arkun turned to the genocide in the regions of Zeytun, Marash, Hajin and Sis, where miscalculation and deception led to the first deportations. At first, Zeytuntsis were sent in caravans to Konya in central Anatolia, and only later were the deportations rerouted to the deserts of Syria. Arkun documents the mood of ordinary Muslims, whom foreign observers noted were hostile to the Armenians and easily mobilized to carry out killings. At the same time, several Turkish governors in the region were opposed to wholesale deportations and killings, but they were eventually removed from office and replaced by men more determined to carry out the orders from Istanbul.

    Hans-Lukas Kieser (history, University of Basel) told the story of one of the Turkish governors, Dr. Mehmed Reshid, a dedicated Young Turk who carried out the massacres in Diyarbekir. A Circassian by origin, Reshid Bey was, like many of his generation, influenced by right-wing European political and nationalist writers. He was driven by the question of how to save the empire. Though earlier he had condemned the Hamidian regime for its massacres of Armenians, he was radicalized after the Balkan wars to see Greeks and Armenians as an internal danger to the empire. By his own admission, as governor of Diyarbekir, he supervised the "removal" of 120,000 Armenians, most of whom were massacred or died from exhaustion. Captured after the war, Reshid Bey committed suicide rather than face trial.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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      Dadrian spoke on the practice of genocide denial and laid out the essential theses of the official Turkish position: that there was no intention to deport or kill Armenians; that the atrocities were beyond the control of the authorities; that the killing was regional, not general; that the numbers killed are far lower than Armenians claim, and Turks suffered as much if not more than Armenians; that the unfortunate events were the result of a civil war between Turks and Armenians; and that the events were provoked by Armenian treachery and rebellion. As in his voluminous writings, so in his oral presentation, he went on to demonstrate that each of these propositions was false and that staggering amounts of evidence have been published, most convincingly in Turkish and German sources, which show the widespread practice of deportation and massacre and the direct role of the Young Turks.

      Richard G. Hovannisian (history, UCLA) reminded the workshop that while Young Turks were both the initiators and the dynamic behind the Armenian genocide, there were also officials and ordinary Turks who refused to participate even at the risk of their own lives. In a paper that discussed intervention and altruism during the massacres, he shared material from hundreds of oral histories of Armenian survivors, many of whom testified to self-sacrificial acts by Muslims. Although others exploited the vulnerability of Armenians to take economic and sexual advantage of their former neighbors, the motivations of those who helped victims ranged from sympathy and pity to the most opportunistic effort at economic betterment. Altruism, however, often successfully competed with economic self-interest.

      A final session of the workshop turned to contemporary issues. Baskin Oran (political science, Ankara University) used the story of the Armeno-Turkish newspaper Agos to illustrate the revival of Armenian identity in today's Turkey. Until the appearance of Agos, the Istanbul Armenian community was subjected to attacks in the Turkish media and had few avenues to express its own views to the larger Turkish public. Agos began publication, in Turkish, in 1996 and cautiously attempted to present a Turkish-Armenian position different from that of the Armenian diaspora and the Republic of Armenia. On the genocide issue, Agos editor Hrant Dink argued, "Turkish-Armenian relations should be taken out of a 1915 meters-deep well." That topic should be depoliticized and dealt with by historians.

      In a similar spirit of opening up dialogue between Turks and Armenians, a number of leading public figures established the Turkish-Armenian Reconciliation Commission (TARC) in July 2001. Razmik Panossian (political science, London School of Economics) related the short five-month history of this abortive effort. The principal cause of TARC's demise, according to Panossian, was not the genocide issue per se, but the commission's confusion about how to deal with it. TARC was designed as a private "civil society" initiative with no formal links to governments, and was largely promoted on the Armenian side by the Armenian Assembly, a Washington-based advocacy organization. Turkish commissioners saw TARC as an alternative to European efforts at acknowledging the genocide through parliamentary resolutions. None of the Turkish commissioners considered the events of 1915 to be genocide, while those on the Armenian side did. Instead of dialogue, there was an impasse.

      In his exploration of the "sorrows of early Turkish nationalism," Halil Berktay (history, Sabanc? University)-whose paper was read by GÖÇek-characterized the mood of many in the late Ottoman period as "a pent-up and frustrated, vengeful sort of Turkish nationalism," which "played its part as one of the vectors in Enver's and Talat's precipitous rush to the unprecedented decisions of 1915." Berktay argued that demonology of enemies precedes the constitution of a pantheon of gods and heroes in nationalism and orients the incipient nation in contested space, providing a program that can justify violence, ethnic cleansings, and settling accounts. What he calls "the event" of 1915 was not primarily ideologically pre-meditated, but was made possible by "a hateful and vengeful Turkish nationalism" that was "at least present in the air" by that time.

      Berktay cautioned against over-attachment to the word "genocide" and suggested that if the Holocaust was the event that gave rise to the word, then the Armenian killings might be referred to as a "proto-genocide." Inevitably the work of historians has political implications and effects, but there is a difference between the critical activity of scholars, their search for truth and more directed political activity, which should be left outside the academy.

      In a comprehensive survey of Armenian Turkish relations in the 1990s, Jirair Libaridian explicated the policies of the governments of the Republic of Armenia toward Turkey and their connections to the issue of genocide. Early on, President Levon Ter Petrosian, with whom Libaridian worked as a principal advisor, attempted to establish diplomatic relations with Turkey. But even as the two countries nearly reached agreement, events such as the conflict over Karabakh prevented formal relations. At first, Armenia was willing to separate the issue of genocide from the question of diplomatic relations, but with the coming to power of Robert Kocharian, Armenia stated that it would not give up genocide recognition but that it had no territorial claims on Turkey.
      Summing up some of the discussion, Libaridian pointed out, "We don't know everything, and we haven't decided everything. This is a healthy attitude." The workshop demonstrated that the very word " genocide" has become a battlefield, but that it is possible to talk sensibly about what happened. Facts can be established, arguments can be made and the old stories, the "master narratives," can be changed.


      While some participants were wary that by explaining the genocide, it might be "explained away," Paul Boghossian (philosophy, New York University) pointed out that a distinction must be made between causation and justification. Identifying the cause of an event is not necessarily to justify it. Since nothing can justify what happened, no one should fear that an honest investigation of the role of the Armenians in the events of 1915 could lead to a justification of the tragedy that befell them. Commenting on Bloxham's claim that there was a cumulative radicalization of Turkish policy towards the Armenians culminating in deportations and massacres, Boghossian pointed out that there is a distinction between "causes" and "triggers." A cause of an event is something without which that event would not have occurred, whereas a trigger is simply an opportunity for a cause to bring about a given event. Bloxham, he argued, had shown that wartime conditions, rather than causing the massacres of 1915, had merely provided triggers for them. Finally, to those who recoil from the use of the word "genocide" for strategic or emotional reasons, even while acknowledging the terrible events, he said that it was incumbent upon them to come up with their own terms, ones that would not distort the factual reality that have been established by the workshop-that intentional mass killing, directed against a specifically named ethno-religious people, had been ordered and executed by a government in 1915.

      After three intense days of productive discussions, the workshop adjourned to a public session at which, Suny, Göçek, Michael Kennedy (sociology, II director and vice provost for international affairs, University of Michigan) and two journalists from Turkey-Cengiz Çandar and Hrant Dink-gave their impressions of the workshop. Suny and Göçek summed up the main points that emerged; Suny related the history of the workshop and pointed out that this was the first successful academic endeavor toward a dialogue. Göçek reiterated that the scholars' aim had not been to focus on who employed the term genocide in which context, which would have turned the meeting into a political contest. Instead, the aim had been to work together to approach the events of 1915 from as many different perspectives as possible. Thus, the intent had not been to prove or disprove a particular political stand, but to gain a better understanding of the events.

      Michael Kennedy placed the workshop and its dialogue-building potential within the scope of the activities of the International Institute. Çandar called it an "unprecedented scholarly endeavor" and hoped that the findings would be released soon to the public. Dink said that for an Armenian journalist like himself, living in Turkey, it is difficult to speak of the events of 1915. One becomes an enemy of one's own nation. It is like living on a razor blade. But the Michigan workshop, he said, gives hope that this problem can be solved by dialogue between the two peoples.

      Some in the audience were unhappy that the workshop organizers had not allowed more participation of people from the community in the deliberations. After listening to the increasingly heated discussion, Baskin Oran quietly pointed out that the polemical and partisan discussion at the public session illustrates why scholars have to meet by themselves to carry on their indispensable work. The University of Michigan and its International Institute had provided just such a possibility for debate and discussion free from polemic.
      "All truth passes through three stages:
      First, it is ridiculed;
      Second, it is violently opposed; and
      Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

      Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        Fear of Terminology: The Two Sides of "Genocide"An Interview with Paul Boghossian

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        By Khatchig Mouradian

        February 16, 2006


        Paul Boghossian received his PhD in Philosophy from Princeton in 1987. After
        serving as Associate Professor at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor
        and as Visiting Associate Professor at Princeton, he went to New York
        University. He served as Chair of Philosophy in NYU in from 1994 to 2004.
        Currently a Professor of Philosophy at the same university, his research
        interests include epistemology, the philosophy of mind, and the philosophy
        of language. He has published many papers on a variety of topics and his
        book "Fear of Knowledge: Against Relativism and Constructivism" (Oxford
        University Press) will be released soon. He is also on the editorial board
        of Philosophical Studies, and Philosophers' Imprint.

        In this interview, we mainly speak about issues that pertain to the
        applicability of the term "genocide" to the mass killings of the Armenians
        in the Ottoman Empire in 1915.



        Khatchig Mouradian - For journalists trying their utmost to be objective and
        fair, sometimes the boundaries between objectivity and moral equivalence
        seem to be unclear. In their attempt to presenting "both sides" of the
        story, some journalists end up taking a middle "golden" position. The
        issue of the systematic massacres and deportations of the Armenians in the
        Ottoman Empire in 1915 is a typical example. A well-documented historical
        fact, it is often presented in the format of "Turks say" and "Armenians
        say". What are you thoughts on this issue?


        Paul Boghossian - It is right to present "both sides" of a dispute when
        the evidence available to everyone doesn't decisively settle the matter one
        way or the other. Thus, it is right to present both sides of the dispute
        about whether the Big Bang is a correct model of the origins of the
        universe. It would not be appropriate to present both sides of the issue
        about whether the earth is flat or whether the Holocaust occurred or whether
        smoking causes cancer, although in each of these cases you can find some
        people on each side of each of those issues.

        Many journalists, though, have lost their grip on the notion of objective
        knowledge. They think: well, who is to decide whether an issue has been
        settled decisively by the evidence? Don't I see a lot of people on both
        sides of the issue of 1915? Doesn't that indicate that the matter isn't
        decisively settled by the available evidence?

        That is a confused response. Just because a lot of people treat a
        proposition as undecided doesn't make it undecided. The only thing that
        makes a proposition undecided is the quality of the evidence. As to who
        gets to decide on the quality of the evidence, the answer is that if it is a
        technical question that you need special expertise to assess, then it has to
        be an appropriately trained expert who gets to decide. But if it is the
        sort of question that journalists are in the business of assessing, then
        they get to decide, after doing the appropriate research.

        The question about the Armenians is probably a little bit of both, since it
        does have some technical aspects. The matter is made more complicated by
        the confusion that surrounds the word "genocide." But if you put the word
        to one side and ask simply: Was there a centrally planned program to
        eliminate the Armenians from eastern Turkey in the waning years of the
        Ottoman Empire? --
        Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the evidence could
        only come to the conclusion that there was.


        K.M. - Some journalists working in the west have told me they often refrain
        from using the term "genocide" when referring to the Armenian massacres
        not because they doubt that what happened to the Armenians was genocide, but
        out of concern that using the term might hurt the feelings of many Turks.
        What do you think about this argument?

        P.B. - Every time we say something to someone we take into account not only
        what we take to be true but also the potential impact on our audience. But,
        first, there are limits to the extent to which one should be willing to
        moderate what one says to spare someone's feelings. And it seems to me that
        mass murder and ethnic cleansing are two of those limits. And, second, this
        seems like a particularly odd thing for a journalist to emphasize. One
        would have thought that it is the job of a journalist to openly speak the
        sometimes unpleasant truth to power.


        K.M. - During one of your interventions at the fourth Workshop for
        Armenian-Turkish scholarship in Salzburg, you argued that it is not possible
        to say that the mass extermination of the Armenians in the Ottoman Empire in
        1915 does not count as "genocide" simply because the term did not exist at
        the time and was coined in the 1940s. Can you illustrate your argument?

        P.B. - Arguments of this sort involve a basic confusion about the relation
        between language and reality. They assume that, in general, a concept can
        apply to some event only if, at the time that the event occurred, there were
        people around who were already prepared to apply that concept to it.

        Now, I don't deny that there are some concepts that are like that. For
        example, I suppose that nothing can count as a coronation, or an election,
        unless someone is prepared so to describe it. Of course, the English word
        "coronation" need not have existed at the time, but some word or other
        expressing that concept would need to have been around. It is very hard to
        see how some event could count as the crowning of a king unless at least
        some people are prepared so to describe it. One can think of several such
        examples.

        However, only a few concepts and facts are like that. For example, I can
        truly say that 65 million years ago there were dinosaurs on Earth even
        though 65 million years ago there was no one around who had the concept
        "dinosaur". Or, to take another example, I can truly say that in the very
        earliest stages of the universe all the matter in it was in a very hot
        gaseous form, even though there was no one around who had any of those
        ingredient notions.

        In general, then, it is simply not true that all concepts are such that,
        they only apply to some event if there happened to be people around who, at
        the time of the event, were willing to apply the concept to it. Some
        concepts are like that and others aren't. In particular, the UN concept of
        genocide is clearly not like that. All it requires for an event to count as
        genocide is that someone should have acted intentionally to exterminate some
        members of a particular ethnic group in part because they were members of
        that group. And that is clearly an intention that someone can have even if
        no one around them had yet come up with the concept of genocide.




        K.M. - At a lecture, you say, "Another bad argument for refusing to apply
        the word "genocide" to 1915 goes something like this: The UN Convention on
        Genocide, which defined the word precisely for the first time, was adopted
        only in 1948. Treaties don't apply retroactively. So, the Convention,
        along with the notion that it defines, could not apply to the events of
        1915." And then you go on to argue that, "Whether the concept of genocide
        applies to events that preceded its introduction with the entirely different
        question whether the legal convention that codified that concept applies to
        events that preceded its adoption."

        Can you explain how it is possible to separate a legal concept from the
        convention where it appears?

        P.B. - I can have a law forbidding the use of automobiles in a park. That
        doesn't make the concept of an "automobile" or a "park" a legal
        concept. They are ordinary concepts that appear in a legal context as well
        as in other contexts. Similarly, the UN Convention defines a certain sort
        of mass harming and attempts to forbid and punish those who perpetrate it.
        The concept itself is just that of a mass harming satisfying certain
        conditions. Those kinds of mass harming could clearly have existed prior to
        anyone talking about them and attempting to formulate a law governing them.

        K.M. - Unlike the words "automobile" or "park", the term "genocide"
        was not used before and, coined by Lemkin, it was incorporated in the UN
        convention as a legal term. Some people might argue that this would make the
        term and the convention inseparable. Yes, there were mass killings, one
        might argue, but if the convention cannot be applied retrospectively, how
        can you apply the term coined for such a convention retrospectively?

        P.B. - Just because a concept is introduced in the context of a law doesn't
        make it a legal concept. The concept "genocide" has a definition: it is a
        certain kind of killing (or harming, but I shall ignore that) -- killing
        done with a certain intention.
        "Killing" is not a legal concept -- it just means "causing to die."
        "Intention" is not a legal concept -- it pertains to an actor's state of
        mind. So, in what sense is "genocide" a legal concept? Yes, it can be
        put to a legal use, but so can any concept. And, yes, if the law in which
        it appears was passed after a given event, then, typically, that LAW does
        not apply to the event in question. But that doesn't mean that the CONCEPT
        doesn't.


        K.M. - Turkish historian Halil Berktay, in an Interview I conducted with him
        last October, says, "In 1915 such a convention (The UN Convention on
        Genocide) did not exist, such legality did not exist, and, furthermore, the
        human experience and thinking that ultimately went into that convention, did
        not exist. I'm not saying that there were no people at the time who
        objected to ethnic cleansing, I'm saying that a comprehensive, universal,
        and global circulation of an anti-genocidal ethos did not exist and it was
        not part and parcel of the atmosphere in which statesmen, politicians,
        warlords, including Unionist warlords, functioned at that time."

        What do you think about this methodological problem underlined by Professor
        Berktay?

        P.B. - There is no methodological problem here that I can see. Let's say
        that his observation is largely correct. The question is what follows from
        it. It doesn't follow that what happened wasn't genocide, according to
        the definition later formulated, just like it doesn't follow that the
        creatures that lived on Earth 65 million years ago weren't dinosaurs
        because that concept hadn't yet been formulated then. It also doesn't
        follow that what happened in 1915 wasn't evil.
        "All truth passes through three stages:
        First, it is ridiculed;
        Second, it is violently opposed; and
        Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

        Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Gavur
          K.M. - Turkish historian Halil Berktay, in an Interview I conducted with him last October, says, "In 1915 such a convention (The UN Convention on Genocide) did not exist, such legality did not exist, and, furthermore, the human experience and thinking that ultimately went into that convention, did not exist. I'm not saying that there were no people at the time who objected to ethnic cleansing, I'm saying that a comprehensive, universal, and global circulation of an anti-genocidal ethos did not exist and it was not part and parcel of the atmosphere in which statesmen, politicians,
          warlords, including Unionist warlords, functioned at that time."
          Total and utter BS. Obviously the Etente Powers realised that there was such a thing as "Crimes Against Humanity" in July 1915 when they put forth an edict that said Turkey would be punished for such. etc ...come now...OK - we realise where Berktay resides...but this cop out is just too much.

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          • #25
            Does he admit the Armenian Genocide happened?

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            • #26
              Yes but not in a legal sense
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • #27
                Well that is better then what most will admit to, and remember how long someone remains at liberty recognizing the AG in Turkey.

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                • #28
                  Genocide denial & healing: The case of the Genocide of the Armenians

                  PRESS RELEASE
                  Armenian American Society for Studies on Stress & Genocide
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                  ARMENIAN AMERICAN SOCIETY FOR STUDIES ON STRESS & GENOCIDE (AASSSG)
                  INVITES YOU TO A SYMPOSIUM & WORKSHOP
                  Genocide denial & healing: The case of the Genocide of the Armenians
                  On
                  Friday, 7 April 2006 -7 PM
                  at
                  Fordham University, 113 W 60th St., (Off 9th Avenue) NYC
                  12th Floor Faculty Lounge

                  Recipient of 2005 AASSSG Outstanding Achievement Award
                  Professor Ervin Staub, Professor of Psychology at the University of
                  Massachusetts



                  `Roots of Evil & Denial: The case of Genocide of the Armenians, and a
                  presentation by
                  Professor Elif Shafak, Professor of Literature, University of Arizona
                  `Silence and Secrets in Women's Stories: Tracing the Effects of the
                  Massacres and Deportation of Armenians in 1915 in Contemporary Women's Culture in
                  Turkey.
                  Family Constellations by
                  Sophia Kramer-Leto and Chiara Hayganush Megighian Zenati

                  Special Performance by: Armenian Dance Group from Long Island
                  Armenian Dances from Historic Western Armenia
                  Chairperson: Dr. Anie Kalayjian, Fordham University and President of
                  AASSSG &
                  Association for Disaster & Mass Trauma Studies.
                  KRIEGER Essay Contest winners will be announced and certificates given
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                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #29
                    A Storyteller's Quest A Great Turkish Author

                    by Khatchig Mouradian
                    March 14, 2006




                    "Anatolia has always been a mosaic of flowers,
                    filling the world with flowers and light.
                    I want it to be the same today"
                    Yasar Kemal

                    The Anatolia Yasar Kemal, arguably the greatest Turkish author of the 20th century, wants to see and the Anatolia he can actually see today cannot possibly be considered the same region of Turkey. What was a century ago a mosaic of ethnic and religious groups (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks, Turks, Kurds, etc.) is now almost homogenized through blood and destruction, and the memory of many of the peoples that once dwelled in the region of Eastern Turkey is being negligently allowed to pass into oblivion.

                    A number of Turkish intellectuals are striving to push Turkey to face its past and recognize the "mosaic of flowers" that Anatolia once was. Will their vision one day become reality? Much depends on the changes currently taking place in Turkey. Novelist Elif Shafak, one of the courageous intellectuals struggling today for the preservation of memory and recognition of cultural diversity, spoke to me of Turkey today and the Turkey she would like to see tomorrow.

                    The Two Faces of Turkey

                    "I feel connected to so many things in Turkey, especially in Istanbul. The city, the people, the customs of women, the enchanting world of superstitions, my grandmother's almost magical cosmos, my mother's humanism, and the warmth, the sincerity of the people," Shafak tells me, speaking of her native country. "At the same time I feel no connection whatsoever to its main ideology, its state structure and army," she notes.

                    Turkey is the country of opposites which oftentimes, defying the laws of physics, repel one another. Eastern and Western, Islamic and secular at the same time, the country is torn between democracy and dictatorship, memory and amnesia. These dualities, bordering on schizophrenia, are unsettling for Shafak, an author of five published novels. "I think there are two undercurrents in Turkey, both very old. One is nationalist, exclusivist, xenophobic and reactionary. The other is cosmopolitan, Sufi, humanist, embracing. It is the second tide that I feel connected to," she says.

                    Not surprisingly, the first tide she mentions is not at all happy with her line of conduct. Hate-mail and accusations of being a traitor to her country have become commonplace for the young writer.

                    "The nationalist discourse in Turkey-- just like the Republicans in the USA-- is that if you are criticizing your government, you do not like your nation. This is a lie. Only and only if you care about something you will reflect upon it, give it further thought. I care about Turkey. It hurts me to be accused of hating my country," she explains.

                    However, Elif Shafak, who spent most of her childhood and adolescence in Europe and later moved to Turkey to pursue her studies, is anything but wrong when she points out that her country has come a long way in the last few years. "There are very important changes underway in Turkey. Sometimes, in the West, Turkey looks more black-and-white than it really is, but the fact remains that Turkey's civil society is multifaceted and very dynamic. Especially over the past two decades there have been fundamental transformations," she says.

                    "The bigger the change, the deeper the panic of those who want to preserve the status quo," she adds.

                    A cornered tiger is the fiercest, however, as an Eastern proverb says. This is why the prospect of membership to the European Union (EU) is deemed necessary by the country’s cosmopolitan undercurrent, which is struggling against the status quo. For decades, those, who have dared to challenge the official rhetoric on a wide spectrum of issues, have faced oppression, persecution, and imprisonment, and they know well that the only way not to take the country back in time is to keep it going in the direction of the EU. Shafak herself believes that Turkey's bid to join the EU "is an important process for progressive forces both within and outside the country". She adds: "Definitely the whole process will reinforce democracy, human rights and minority rights. It will diminish the role of the state apparatuses, and most importantly the shadow of the military in the political arena."

                    Dealing with the Turkish Society's 'Underbelly'

                    "For me, the recognition of 1915 is connected to my love for democracy and human rights," says Shafak. 1915 is the year when the Turkish government embarked on a genocidal campaign to exterminate the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire. This topic remained the greatest of all taboos in Turkey until very recently.

                    Although the Armenian genocide is acknowledged by most genocide scholars and many parliaments around the world, the Turkish government's official stand maintains that the Armenians were not subjected to a state sponsored annihilation process that killed more than a million and a half people in 1915-16. The Armenians were, the Turkish official viewpoint argues, the victims of ethnic strife or war and starvation, just like many Muslims living in the Ottoman Empire during WWI. Moreover, according to the official historiography in Turkey, the number of the Armenians that died due to these "unfortunate events" is exaggerated.

                    Like a growing number of fellow Turkish intellectuals, it is against this policy of denial that Elif Shafak rages. "If we had been able to face the atrocities committed against the Armenians in Anatolia, it would have been more difficult for the Turkish state to commit atrocities against the Kurds," she argues.

                    "A society based on amnesia cannot have a mature democracy," she adds.

                    Why did she choose to tackle this very sensitive issue, knowing well that harassment and threats were inevitable? "I am a storyteller. If I cannot "feel" other people's pain and grief, I better quit what I am doing. So there is an emotional aspect for me in that I have always felt connected to those pushed to the margins and silenced rather than those at the center", she notes. "This is the pattern in each and every one of my novels; I deal with Turkish society's underbelly."

                    Her upcoming novel, "The Bastard of Istanbul", is no exception. The Turkish translation of the novel, titled “Baba ve Pic” was released in Turkey on March 8, 2006. The original novel in English will be released in the U.S. in January 2007 out of Penguin/Viking press. "The novel is highly critical of the sexist and nationalist fabric of Turkish society. It is the story of four generations of women in Istanbul. At some point their stories converge with the story of an Armenian woman and, thereby, an Armenian-American family. I have used this family in San Francisco and the family in Istanbul as mirrors," she explains. "Basically, the novel testifies to the struggle of amnesia and memory. It deals with painful pasts both at the individual and collective level," she adds.

                    The Turkey she would like to see in 2015, a century after the Armenian genocide, stands in deep contrast to the Turkey the world has known for the better part of the past century. It is "a Turkey that is part of EU, a Turkey where women do not get killed on the basis of "family honor", a Turkey where there is no gender discrimination, no violations against minorities; a Turkey which is not xenophobic, homophobic, where each and every individual is treated as valuably as the reflection of the Jamal side of God, its beauty."

                    It would be hard to disagree with Shafak that only in the Turkey she envisions can cosmopolitism overshadow nationalism and remembrance emerge victorious over denial.


                    Khatchig Mouradian is a Lebanese-Armenian writer and journalist.
                    "All truth passes through three stages:
                    First, it is ridiculed;
                    Second, it is violently opposed; and
                    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                    • #30
                      Dr. Mooradian Article

                      Respectful Disagreement

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                      BY MOORAD MOORADIAN, Ph.D..


                      In an interview with Aris Babikian (Jan. 28, 2006, pp. 19-20), Dr. Fatma Müge Göçek gave her reasons for not using the word "genocide" when she refers to what hap*pened in 1915. I respect her reasoning even though I strongly disagree with her conclusion.
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                      Dr. Göçek commented that the word "genocide" has be-come politicized and she believes that it does not foster re-search and analysis. I disagree. The term "genocide" has been applied by the world-renowned genocide scholars to what happened to the Armenians in 1915, and it has stimulated more, not less, research on the subject.
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                      "G" WORD HAS SPURRED INVESTIGATION & RESEARCH
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                      I wonder if well-intentioned Turks would have reacted to investigate the issue if the use of the word "genocide" was muted in free societies. Would there have been a drive to research, as occurred with Taner Akçam, Elif Shafak, Halil Berktay and herself, to name just four? Even if the word "genocide" itself did not spur them to investigate and research, surely Turkish denials became stimuli, at least subconsciously, for righteous Turks to seek the truth. It is hard to conceive that any righteous scholar would proceed without the word "genocide" reverberating in his/her mind. It also stimulates deniers such as Justin McCarthy and Bernard Lewis to come out of the closet and to be exposed by true scholars as pseudo-intellectuals in genocide studies with a purpose other than finding the truth.
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                      I know that Dr. Göçek meant no ill will, but it is not just Armenians that "right-fully insist on its [genocide] usage." The list of non-Armenian scholars is much too long to list in this article. I assume that Dr. Göçek limited the comments to Armenians because she was being interviewed by an Armenian for Armenian publications.
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                      "KITAL" DOESN'T CUT IT
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                      Perhaps it is more comforting for Turks to use the term "kital," meaning large-scale massacres, but the word "genocide" is well established and known by the entire world, particularly by independent scholars. Scholars as well as the reading public understand that it is the deliberate attempt by the state authorities to annihilate a segment of their own population. When we use words such as "kital" and the like, it brings to mind current events, such as the shooting of large numbers of Iraqis for political reasons by Saddam and his sadistic sons. These deaths are terrible, but there was/is no intent to wipe out the entire population because of ethnicity, as was attempted in 1915.
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                      Until such time as Turkey becomes a democracy and accepts the values associated therewith, it is highly unrealistic for anyone, much less an educated person like Dr. Göçek, to visualize that "Turkish society and the state would be more willing to listen and engage in constructive dialogue that would eventually lead to recogni*tion if what happened in 1915 was discussed at first in and of itself." For instance, under current Turkish laws, Orhan Pamuk tried to do this. He did not and does not use the word "genocide," but his comments got him prosecuted. Surely, it is hard to believe that Mr. Pamuk would be walking around today in Turkey were it not for pressure from outside sources. Realistic persons know that recognition will come but only in the long term, hopefully by 2015, as a result of pressure from the European Union on Turkey to abide by the truth and AEU values. Recognition will grow out of a democratic Turkey that respects and honors true academic freedom.
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                      HISTORY WRITING FAR FROM ACADEMIC STANDARDS
                      *
                      Dr. Göçek is accurate in that Turkey has an increased level of education, but only in certain fields;' certainly not in the areas of Turkish history that are not in agreement with glorifying its past. This is a carryover from Kemal Atatürk, who had Turkey's archives cleansed. The "Gazi" even sat with writers to compose history that matched his nationalistic bent. This long reach of the nationalistic state has carried to this day. Dr. Göçek mentioned a statement from the Turkish consulate in Chicago describing terms for the ethnic Turkish apologists in the U.S. to lead protests, and "they did as they were enthusiastically told..."
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                      It is highly doubtful that subtle approaches on the Genocide will progress and go ahead as suggested by Dr. Göçek, when even she admits that "The universities in Turkey often function as extensions of the state apparatus; faculty is often treated like civil servants of a state that finds in itself the right to control the thoughts and actions of the faculty." The state has led the industry of denial. Are we supposed to believe that, by refraining from using the "G" word, it will make changes in that obedient society?
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                      If we use words such as "kital" instead of "genocide" and the Turks agree that it was large-scale massacres, "kital" will become frozen in any agreements made, even on the academic level. A large-scale massacre is what happened to the Polish officers in the Karyn Forest Massacre when Uncle Joe Stalin had upwards of 15,000 Polish soldiers massacred by Beria's hoods. Joe Stalin did not trust the Poles but he did not set out to kill all Polish people because of who they are.
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                      AN INEVITABILITY, SOONER OR LATER
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                      However, that was the case in Turkey in 1915. It is a grievous error to refrain from using the "G" word in the belief that some day the Turks will agree to change what happened from "kital" to "genocide." Turkey will one day use the "G" word. However, it will make it infinitely more difficult if agreements are now made that something less than genocide occurred. Calling it large-scale massacres (kital) does not make it a one-sided horror with the Ottoman powers inflicting the ultimate pain on the Armenians. Calling what happened anything other than genocide keeps the door open for Turkish apologists to level the same charges against the Armenians, as is done by the deniers in Ankara.
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                      It may be more difficult to get Turks to come to an agreement if the "G" word is used. But, as Gen. George Patton stated in Europe during World War II when he disagreed with Field Marshall Montgomery's slower, more cautious approach to closing with the Nazis, it is not smart for any leader to pay for the same real estate twice. While there may be a huge difference between scholars, intellectuals, analysts and generals in warfare, the basic sentiments do apply. Take the harder right roadnow or risk fighting the same arguments later on the differences between "kital" and "genocide."
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                      Quite frankly and bluntly, scholars should not even worry whether or not Turkish feelings are hurt, The truth needs to prevail, and it will in the shorter term without Turkish participation or in the longer term with Turkish agreement. There are hundreds of cases in history where the truth hurts; i.e., the Imperial Japanese treatment of peoples they conquered, the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews, slavery in the U.S., etc. Masking the reality with acceptable and kinder words only delays the process of establishing the truth. I believe that Dr. Göçek's sentiment about not using the word "genocide" unintentionally does just that.
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                      Providence Forge, VA & Yerevan, Armenia
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                      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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