Brenda Schaffer Throws Every Possible Garbage at Armenians

[phantom]

TurQ, as a moderate, even I understand what Hellektor is saying. Perhaps you don't understand, but I don't think it's fair for you to try to speak for everyone here.

Hellektor is right. Shaffer is wrong, and everything she says and publishes is for the single-minded purpose of destroying Iran in order to, in the minds of those who pay her, save the state of Israel. And we don't all have to agree that Iran has to be destroyed in order to preserve Israel. Thus, we don't all have to agree with her bogus research and lame opinions.

Furthermore, I don't think that the majority of Turks are in favor of destroying Iran in an attempt to preserve Israel. Do you?

[TurQ]

What I meant was different,

Hellektor/Selektor tries to badmouth Turks and Azeris anytime, and any chance he finds(or he thinks he finds), He denies Azeri Culture and Azeri nation's existence or right to exist, and similiarly he bad mouths to Turkish culture, for stupid reasons he sites.
That's what I meant by him being lonely looney.

It is not the Brenda shaffer or any other reason, his problem is with us, the Turkish nation.

His intention is not the eat the grapes but to beat the gardener.

TurQ, as a moderate, even I understand what Hellektor is saying. Perhaps you don't understand, but I don't think it's fair for you to try to speak for everyone here.

Hellektor is right. Shaffer is wrong, and everything she says and publishes is for the single-minded purpose of destroying Iran in order to, in the minds of those who pay her, save the state of Israel. And we don't all have to agree that Iran has to be destroyed in order to preserve Israel. Thus, we don't all have to agree with her bogus research and lame opinions.

Furthermore, I don't think that the majority of Turks are in favor of destroying Iran in an attempt to preserve Israel. Do you?

[TurQ]

Ironically Iran and Turkey had very stable relations and most of the times good neighbours(Not great but so so) since Kasr-i Shirin Treaty 1639, so I dont think any Turkish government or Turkish state would ever want to destroy Iran.
In general Turkey seeks for a stable strong region in her periphery, thats why Turkey supports territorial integrity of her neighbours, Iraw and Syria is one example, Armenians cant understand this in general but yes this is also true for Armenia.

Furthermore, I don't think that the majority of Turks are in favor of destroying Iran in an attempt to preserve Israel. Do you?

[Joseph]

Ironically Iran and Turkey had very stable relations and most of the times good neighbours(Not great but so so) since Kasr-i Shirin Treaty 1639, so I dont think any Turkish government or Turkish state would ever want to destroy Iran.
In general Turkey seeks for a stable strong region in her periphery, thats why Turkey supports territorial integrity of her neighbours, Iraw and Syria is one example, Armenians cant understand this in general but yes this is also true for Armenia.

Brenda's Shaffer's views generally have nothing to do with Turkey or Armenia per se. She's cares about neither. If all of you read her background you'll see she is from Israel and served in the Israeli military and her sole focus, as stated earlier in the thread quite correctly, is that Iran should be neutralized. This is her aim and focus and that is why Azerbaijan is so important for her. If the Azeris give in to US and Israeli pressure and allow US bases and act as a birdgehead for a possible US invasion of Iran, she will jump for joy. It should also be noted that the department she is in charge of at Harvard was liqudated a few years ago but then privately funded by an oil company.

[Varouj]

Brenda's Shaffer's views generally have nothing to do with Turkey or Armenia per se. She's cares about neither. If all of you read her background you'll see she is from Israel and served in the Israeli military and her sole focus, as stated earlier in the thread quite correctly, is that Iran should be neutralized. This is her aim and focus and that is why Azerbaijan is so important for her. If the Azeris give in to US and Israeli pressure and allow US bases and act as a birdgehead for a possible US invasion of Iran, she will jump for joy. It should also be noted that the department she is in charge of at Harvard was liqudated a few years ago but then privately funded by an oil company.

They are setting into motion something they are going to deeply regret doing, but then they never know when to stop. That's what happens when you make deals wih the devil.

[Joseph]

They are setting into motion something they are going to deeply regret doing, but then they never know when to stop. That's what happens when you make deals wih the devil.

You're probably right.

[TurQ]

Turkey wont allow any operation to Iran, Iran is a lot important than Iraq, Iran's instability costs us alot.

Iran is hard to handle, I also think their Shia politics is harmful to the region, especially after the power vacumm over the Shias of Iraq, Iran can easily fill the vacumm, and this is one of the nightmare scenarios.
Turkey should handle Iran carefully.

They are setting into motion something they are going to deeply regret doing, but then they never know when to stop. That's what happens when you make deals wih the devil.

[phantom]

Turkey wont allow any operation to Iran, Iran is a lot important than Iraq, Iran's instability costs us alot.

Iran is hard to handle, I also think their Shia politics is harmful to the region, especially after the power vacumm over the Shias of Iraq, Iran can easily fill the vacumm, and this is one of the nightmare scenarios.
Turkey should handle Iran carefully.

But as you correctly stated, Iran has not been in a war with Turkey for 400 years. They have never in modern history invaded or attacked the lands of any of their neighbors. They are not a military threat to Turkey.

TurQ, this is not a sarcastic question. I'm asking legitimately. Is there something that we're missing. Would Turkey and Azerbaijan gain something from supporting a U.S. and Israeli invasion of Iran?

Soon, we'll all see if Israel was worth $150/barrel and destruction of the U.S. economy.

[TurQ]

I think I have given my answer,
the asnwer is plain NO.

It is time for all regional countries be it Balkan, MiddleEas or Caucucusian countries, they have to resolve their problem with dialogue and with rationale, as long as they keep on relying on 3rd parties this kind of things will happen unfortunetly. I still agonize over Turgut Ozal's initiation of "KAradeniz Ekonmik Isbirligi" or KEIB abou tthe economic collaboration of countries in Black sea region which also included Greece and Armenia. If that would came to reality(unforthetly Suleyman Demirel killed that initiation because of his grudge and envy towards Ozal) in 1993. This could've been great if it functioned properly, anyways i.

BUt you know Hellektor's intentions are a lot different

Goldman and Sachs "predicted" the barrel of oil to be 110$(They did this prediction last spring), you see how it comes to be a realitiy.

TurQ, this is not a sarcastic question. I'm asking legitimately. Is there something that we're missing. Would Turkey and Azerbaijan gain something from supporting a U.S. and Israeli invasion of Iran?

Soon, we'll all see if Israel was worth $150/barrel and destruction of the U.S. economy.

[imported_Hellektor]

Shut that lying xxxxx up!

TurQ, as a moderate, even I understand what Hellektor is saying. Perhaps you don't understand, but I don't think it's fair for you to try to speak for everyone here.

Hellektor is right. Shaffer is wrong, and everything she says and publishes is for the single-minded purpose of destroying Iran in order to, in the minds of those who pay her, save the state of Israel. And we don't all have to agree that Iran has to be destroyed in order to preserve Israel. Thus, we don't all have to agree with her bogus research and lame opinions.

Furthermore, I don't think that the majority of Turks are in favor of destroying Iran in an attempt to preserve Israel. Do you?

TurQ has a point (whether he is conscious of it or not) in that FACTS are irrelevant as far as filthy Zionist/Freemason (or Jewish/Anglo-Saxon, if you want) politics are concerned.

It's true that the Jewish lobby's trip had the objective of persuading the "Azeris" to help the US in case of an attack on Iran, but what pissed me off in that .... woman's interview, was her shameless falsification of history and her self-righteousness in TELLING Armenia to make "significant compromises". Who the fffffffff does she think she is?
How does she allow herself to utter such garbage?
I recommend everybody to actually listen to the interview and see for yourselves how shamelessly she uses the (biased) media to bullxxxx whatever propaganda they want.
(Move the slider a bit. It starts at 11th minute approximately. Please listen.)

Once more:
I. "Azerbaijan" has never been a tolerant state. From the moment of "conception" in 1918 they have had a genocidal agenda towards Armenians (Nakhijevan being a prime example) and they have turkified their minorities such as Tats, Talishes, Udins, Lezgins, Laz, Kurds, etc., when Tatars were hardly more than 25% of the population.

II. "Azerbaijan" (north of the Arax) has never existed before 1918, thus, her claim of the nonexistence of anti-Semitism for thousands of years is absurd. (As if "anti-Semitism" existed thousands of years ago!)

III. The myth of one million "Azeri" refugees is shattered by the Counsel of Europe.

IV. Armenia is not occupying 20% "Azeri" land and in fact it's "Azerbaijan" that's "founded" on Armenian territory. Even taking "international" = Jewish codes into account, 5 + 9 = 14 not 20. So she's LYING.

V. Why doesn't she mention the Armenian refugees?

VI. Why doesn't she mention the Jugha destruction (among others)?

VII. Why doesn't she mention that it was "Azerbaijan" who started the war?

VIII. Why doesn't she mention the Sumgait, Baku, Gandzak, Maragha, etc. genocidal acts?

IX. Why doesn't she mention that the present situation is the consequence of the actions of "Azerbaijan"?

X. Why doesn't she mention that Artsakh had seceded from "Azerbaijan" according to Soviet laws and it has never been a part of independent "Azerbaijan"?

Ten cases of blatant lies and/or falsifications at least. There are several more in that short interview.

What shall we Armenians do to put the xxxxx in her place?