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    Turkey suspends French military contacts
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061116/...rance_military

    Turkey has suspended military relations with France in a dispute over whether the mass killings of Armenians early in the last century amounted to genocide, a top army commander said Wednesday.

    The move was the latest backlash against French legislation that, if approved by the Senate and president, would criminalize denial that the killings of Armenians in Turkey were genocide.

    "Relations with France in the military field have been suspended," Gen. Ilker Basbug said in Ankara, according to state-owned Anatolia news agency.

    France's Foreign Ministry and Defense Ministry had no immediate comment.

    France and Turkey are both NATO members, and Turkey has been a buyer of French-made weaponry. The two countries also have participated in military exercises together, and have sent troops to serve in the international peacekeeping force in Lebanon.

    But the Turkish military also has blacklisted several French firms in the past in similar disputes over the mass killings of Armenians.

    Basbug, commander of land forces, disclosed the suspension of military ties with France in comments to reporters at a reception in Ankara, the Anatolia news agency reported. The French bill still needs approval from the Senate and President Jacques Chirac to become law.

    Asked whether any military missions between the two nations had been canceled, Basbug said: "There are no high-level visits between the two countries."

    Turkey sees the French bill as a hostile, anti-Turkish move, and has warned that the lawmakers' vote has already damaged Turkish-French relations.

    Turkey vehemently denies that it committed genocide against Armenians, though many nations have classified the killings as such.

    The United Nation's 1948 Genocide Convention makes genocide a crime, and defines it as killing or injuring people "with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group."

    Turkey acknowledges that large numbers of Armenians died in mass expulsions and fighting, but says the number of dead is exaggerated and that most were killed in interethnic violence that erupted as the Ottoman Empire collapsed.

    Armenians and many nations say some 1.5 million Armenians were killed in a genocidal campaign devised and executed by Turkish leaders.

    The European Union and European media have criticized the French bill, saying it does not respect the principle of free expression and does not promote dialogue with Turkey, a hopeful EU candidate.

    The United States also criticized the French bill, saying that it gets in the way of reconciling the Turks and Armenians.

    The Armenian issue is one of the most divisive and emotional in Turkey. Those who classify the killings as genocide are often accused of treason.
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  • #2
    Anyone wanna take a stab at why they did this now instead of 2 weeks ago?
    (hint: what major shift of political power just took place in the form of elections in a very powerful country, who is poised to recognize the Armenian Genocide)
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hovik View Post
      Anyone wanna take a stab at why they did this now instead of 2 weeks ago?
      (hint: what major shift of political power just took place in the form of elections in a very powerful country, who is poised to recognize the Armenian Genocide)


      Bingo!

      Nothrup Grumman and other U.S. defense companies to the rescue.
      General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.

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      • #4
        This had something to do with the US elections? Huh?

        Well it would have been very rash for Turkey to immediately stop its exchanges with France. I'm guessing that Turkey was much more intelligent about this and waited and deliberated before making its decision.

        Turkey is not like North Korea or the Sudan which always has a "xxxx you" reply waiting in the wings of any international incident.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by W.E.B. Du Bois View Post
          This had something to do with the US elections? Huh?

          Well it would have been very rash for Turkey to immediately stop its exchanges with France. I'm guessing that Turkey was much more intelligent about this and waited and deliberated before making its decision.

          Turkey is not like North Korea or the Sudan which always has a "xxxx you" reply waiting in the wings of any international incident.
          Turkey may be more rational and deliberate on other issues, but on the issue of the Armenian Genocide, Turkey's attitude has always been one of "F you". This decision against France was definitely intended for the American audience.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by phantom View Post
            Turkey may be more rational and deliberate on other issues, but on the issue of the Armenian Genocide, Turkey's attitude has always been one of "F you".
            Maybe. Or maybe they don't think of it as a genocide, but as casualties of a civil war in which all sides were attacking.

            Originally posted by phantom View Post
            This decision against France was definitely intended for the American audience.
            How do you figure that? It seems to be intended for the European audience (i.e. the message is that "you can't keep pushing us around") and also for the Turkish audience (i.e. "we are not going to let the Europeans push us around and discriminate against us.")

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            • #7
              Originally posted by W.E.B. Du Bois View Post
              Maybe. Or maybe they don't think of it as a genocide, but as casualties of a civil war in which all sides were attacking.
              Maybe. Or maybe most Turks are incapable of thinking at all independently. That is why nearly every one of them that enters this forum regurgitates the same government programmed garbage. That is the whole problem. I don't believe a single Turkish member of this forum has actually researched the subject outside what his/her government has provided them. Your cute little "civil war" fairy tale is yet another example of this propaganda. If it was civil war, explain the women, children and elders of my family who were murdered outright... explain the intellectuals, the poets, the composers, the writers who were rounded up in Constantinople in the middle of the night on April 24, 1915 and murdered. What roles did they have in your fairy tale civil war? please explain...


              Originally posted by W.E.B. Du Bois View Post
              How do you figure that? It seems to be intended for the European audience (i.e. the message is that "you can't keep pushing us around") and also for the Turkish audience (i.e. "we are not going to let the Europeans push us around and discriminate against us.")
              If it wasn't intended for the newly elected U.S. congress Turkey would've done this 3 weeks ago when France actually passed the law. They sat on it waiting to see who would take power in the U.S. and then took this action so they could try to intimidate a more truth/recongnition-friendly congress. It's really not rocket science.

              P.S. Recognition of Truth and "Discrimination" are two different things - grab a dictionary...
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              • #8
                Suspending French military contract is a wise act. Turkey ofcourse considered the issue and the balance of it then made its decision. Now Armenian Diaspora is reaping the fruit of its lobbying across the globe that much is sure. Protesting French is okay but America is an important ally. Losing such a partner because of Armenian problem and lobbying would be unwise, especially at a time when finally weapon technology transfers have begun. Turkey is taking active part in the production of F-35 the new fighter jet which will give new horizons about the weapon production of Turkey. Let's see if the recognition passes the senate of America. Then we should consider our course of action.
                It is wrong to be French- Al Bundy

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                • #9
                  Dusun,Dusun
                  pokhtur isin.

                  Consider long
                  crapper is where you belong
                  "All truth passes through three stages:
                  First, it is ridiculed;
                  Second, it is violently opposed; and
                  Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

                  Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by elendil View Post
                    Suspending French military contract is a wise act. Turkey ofcourse considered the issue and the balance of it then made its decision. Now Armenian Diaspora is reaping the fruit of its lobbying across the globe that much is sure. Protesting French is okay but America is an important ally. Losing such a partner because of Armenian problem and lobbying would be unwise, especially at a time when finally weapon technology transfers have begun. Turkey is taking active part in the production of F-35 the new fighter jet which will give new horizons about the weapon production of Turkey. Let's see if the recognition passes the senate of America. Then we should consider our course of action.
                    hahahaha...yeah we really need the Turkish technology and know how otherwise the whole thing will fail...lol

                    Funny that you (and your nation) advocate (and practice) blackmail to push your nation's dishonest agenda. First it seems interference in the internal affairs of another nation - what business is it of Turkey's anyway (and you guys keep saying that Turkey of today is not the same as Ottoman's of the past...though of course all see/know this is more lie then truth)...secondly I thought you guys were saying to let historians decide...seems you can't get around near constant political action (of the dirty kind) to force your perspective onto others...sad.
                    Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?
                    Adolf Hitler (22 August 1939)

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