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Originally posted by Alexandros
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No it is permanently under Denial of Service attack, the admin has to restart services evry time to put it working. That is the travesty of freedom of expression in turkey. Although site aperrantly physically outside of turkey (most probably in US as my previous post shows) and they cant do much more than that.I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet! -
Vahe, the site is working for me.Now that I`m replying to your post I clicked on the link and the site works fine for me.Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View PostComment
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Yes it does, I didnt say it is down permanently. If you read carefully my post you will understand. The site is going up and down. Every time it is down they have to restart www . Than it will be under attack again until www goes down.That is a permanent attack.Originally posted by Alexandros View PostI have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!Comment
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today i went to a conference titled as "we apoligize from armenians". it was organized by revolutionary socialist workers party. one of the leading intellectuals of this petition campaign was there. he said the sum of the hours that the web site could work was only 2,5 days.Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
i think 25000 signs in 2,5 days is quite a success.
he also said the problem was now solved. the site won't be attacked anymore. therefore the number of signs should increase faster.Comment
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Good news. Thanks icten.Originally posted by ictenGeneral Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.Comment
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Thanks a lot icten for sharing this great news.Originally posted by ictenComment
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Well, if it is true than it is good news, hope it will work. I wish all luck to my turkish colegs, they will need it....Originally posted by ictenI have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!Comment
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Erdogan's Lack of Statesmanship
Several days ago, about 200 hundred prominent Turkish intellectuals launched a first-ever online petition apologizing for the “Great Catastrophe” in connection with the massacres of up to 1.5 million Armenians in Turkey during 1915-1917. Titled “I apologize”, the brief statement reads as follows:
“My conscience cannot accept the ignorance and denial of the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected to in 1915. I reject this injustice and -- on my own behalf -- I share the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers - and I apologize to them.”
The authors of the statement, among them Cem Oezdemir, the new leader of the German Green Party, deliberately opted for the term “Great Catastrophe” in an effort to stay clear of the ultra-explosive term “genocide”. While genocide scholars widely agree that the killings of the Armenians constituted the first genocide of the 21st century, Turkey strongly rejects such accusations to this very day, arguing instead that those killed were simply the victims of civil war. So far, about 22,000 people have signed the online petition, not that many for a country of more than 71 million inhabitants. Several Turkish nationalist counter-websites with titles such as “I Expect An Armenian Apology” or “I Do Not Apologize” have already garnered more than five times as many votes as the initial “I Apologize” petition.
Turkey’s top leadership, too, has begun a strong push-back to counter the apology campaign. The powerful army, for instance, has warned ominously that the petition could “bring about harmful results”. Finally, Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan came up with his own rationale for why he opposes the online petition, saying that “I did not commit any crimes, so why should I apologize?”. As a private individual, for sure, Mr. Erdogan was not involved in any of the Armenian massacres. But coming from a Turkish statesman eager to join the European Union, Erdogan’s statement and cavalier attitude regarding a very dark chapter in Turkish history is simply not acceptable in the 21st century.
In contrast to Erdogan's remark, I am reminded of how then-German Chancellor Helmut Kohl dealt with the issues of personal guilt and collective moral and political responsibility in his historic January 1984 speech to the Knesset in Israel. He said: “I speak to you as someone who could not get caught up in guilt during the Nazi period because he had the grace of a late birth.” At the same time, however, Helmut Kohl (born in 1930) never left any doubt that as the German Chancellor, he was willing to assume collective moral and political responsibility for the atrocities perpetrated by Nazi Germany during the 1933-1945 period. Prime Minister Erdogan’s stubborn refusal to assume collective moral and political responsibility for the “Great Catastrophe” displays a lack of statesmanship and casts a long shadow on Turkey’s aspirations of joining the European Union any time soon.
Posted by Ulf Gartzke on December 29, 2008 12:13 PM | PermalinkGeneral Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.Comment
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Re: Please Sign This Petition: Özür diliyoruz
Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died while being forced out of Turkey
Turkey probes massacre petition
Page last updated at 18:37 GMT, Friday, 9 January 2009
A Turkish prosecutor has opened an investigation against the authors of an online petition that apologises for the World War I massacres of Armenians.
It could lead to charges under the law against "insulting Turkishness".
Turkey's prime minister has criticised the petition, launched by more than 200 Turkish academics and newspaper columnists last month.
Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died at the hands of Ottoman Turks in 1915. Turkey denies that it was genocide.
Discussion of the issue is taboo in Turkey and has led to prosecution in the past.
The intellectuals behind the petition say they want to challenge the official denial and provoke discussion in Turkish society about what happened.
The petition is entitled "I apologise".
Police said on Friday they had information that a man arrested this week was gathering intelligence and planning an attack against one of the organisers of the apology campaign.
Police said he had recently travelled to several cities and made it known that he was planning an action that would "shake Turkey", the BBC was told by a source who did not want to be named.
The man's uncle was reportedly among more than 30 people arrested on Wednesday in connection with an alleged ultra-nationalist coup plot.
Documents found in the raids led to the discovery of weapons and explosives in the forest outside Ankara, police say.
Some Turkish writers, who have promoted more open discussion of the Armenian issue, have been targeted by ultra-nationalist Turks.
The Turkish-Armenian writer Hrant Dink was killed last year for openly saying that the events of 1915 were genocide.
Previously he had been tried for "insulting Turkishness" for his comments on 1915.
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Re: Please Sign This Petition: Özür diliyoruz
I really hope the authors of the petition and those that signed will be safe. So far it seems only the 200 or so professors are going to be prosecuted but the Judiciary will most likely fail due to an international outcry similar the tha Orhan Pamuk fiasco.Originally posted by Alexandros View Post
Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died while being forced out of Turkey
Turkey probes massacre petition
Page last updated at 18:37 GMT, Friday, 9 January 2009
A Turkish prosecutor has opened an investigation against the authors of an online petition that apologises for the World War I massacres of Armenians.
It could lead to charges under the law against "insulting Turkishness".
Turkey's prime minister has criticised the petition, launched by more than 200 Turkish academics and newspaper columnists last month.
Hundreds of thousands of Armenians died at the hands of Ottoman Turks in 1915. Turkey denies that it was genocide.
Discussion of the issue is taboo in Turkey and has led to prosecution in the past.
The intellectuals behind the petition say they want to challenge the official denial and provoke discussion in Turkish society about what happened.
The petition is entitled "I apologise".
Police said on Friday they had information that a man arrested this week was gathering intelligence and planning an attack against one of the organisers of the apology campaign.
Police said he had recently travelled to several cities and made it known that he was planning an action that would "shake Turkey", the BBC was told by a source who did not want to be named.
The man's uncle was reportedly among more than 30 people arrested on Wednesday in connection with an alleged ultra-nationalist coup plot.
Documents found in the raids led to the discovery of weapons and explosives in the forest outside Ankara, police say.
Some Turkish writers, who have promoted more open discussion of the Armenian issue, have been targeted by ultra-nationalist Turks.
The Turkish-Armenian writer Hrant Dink was killed last year for openly saying that the events of 1915 were genocide.
Previously he had been tried for "insulting Turkishness" for his comments on 1915.
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With all petition and the Ergenekon situation, my hope is that the Turkish people have had enough.General Antranik (1865-1927): I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.Comment
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