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  • Lal, many Armenians would disagree with me but you must know that in my book Ataturk was a worthy adversary, an Enemy to be respected. I don’t think he was Genocidal.
    He was a good Military tactician and a brilliant politician, nothing like other Turks; in fact to me he doesn’t even look like a Turk. He knew how to play his cards right in the most brutal political poker game of the century. The allies chose him for a good reason and it wasn’t for his sharp looks.
    He has earned his respect of the Turkish Nation (even though in my opinion he cursed you all to a life of lies) and earned the hate of the Armenians, but to idolize this dictator beyond your borders….do Turks pray to him as well? I mean really, I am just trying to understand.
    I agree. Same thing I'm saying, making anyone an idol is wrong. It's become a bad mentality and way of thinking. Not only in Turkey but even in Armenia, you can see this same mentality. There are people who simply love Stalin/Lenin after all this time. It's not understandable, really .

    Topal Osman
    Arda, a strange question. Is Topal a Turkish name? I think Armenians nicknamed him Topal which means a limping person.
    THE ROAD TO FREEDOM AND JUSTICE IS A LONG ONE!

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    • Originally posted by Saco View Post
      Arda, a strange question. Is Topal a Turkish name? I think Armenians nicknamed him Topal which means a limping person.
      No, Topal (lame) is a Turkish word which is nickname of Osman. He was wounded in Balcan wars and he became lame. It can be translated as Lame Osman.

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      • Originally posted by Saco View Post
        May seems to be pretty upset still and sorry Vahe Jan if this sounds bad but your sarcasm may not get the results we want. Especially when we are talking to people that have already gone from the forums and returned. And please don't tell me something like "that's their problem" because it isn't. We have to all try to keep things under control. Sorry if I sound like the principal lol, I don't mean to sound arrogant or anything.

        Sorry, kid, but you do sound "like the principal".
        Do you think turks make favor to us by posting in this forum? Must we beg them to stay? Look in my opinion they need this forum as much as we do. I am very pleased ofcous that there are so many honest turks. But if one is an honest and educated person it is the moral obligation for him /her to accept AG and not a favor to us. The way some of them beehive makes me think that we are obligated to them and we must respect their false idols and so on.... Not really, if they are blind and we show them the light and they still do not want to see IT IS THEIR PROBLEM!
        I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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        • Originally posted by VaheTheGreat(e) View Post
          Sorry, kid, but you do sound "like the principal".
          Do you think turks make favor to us by posting in this forum? Must we beg them to stay? Look in my opinion they need this forum as much as we do. I am very pleased ofcous that there are so many honest turks. But if one is an honest and educated person it is the moral obligation for him /her to accept AG and not a favor to us. The way some of them beehive makes me think that we are obligated to them and we must respect their false idols and so on.... Not really, if they are blind and we show them the light and they still do not want to see IT IS THEIR PROBLEM!
          The only thing we can call this situation is: CAPRICE! Isnt it?

          I didnt insult their god. I only stated some historical facts.

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          • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
            OK lal, let's talk about realities:

            1. What do you say about Dersim massacres?
            2. What do you say about Trakya pogrom against Jews in 1934?
            3. What do you say about murder of Ali Sukru Bey?
            4. What do you say about Topal Osman, Kara Kemal, Ismail and other Armenian genocide commiters that were sheltered by Kemal?
            5. What do you say about murder of Deli Halit Pasha?
            6. What do you say about Kockiri?
            7. What do you say about Iskilipli Atif Efendi?
            8. What do you say about Nadir Nadi and his relation with Nazis?
            9. What do you say about Smirna fire?
            10. What do you say about Takrir-i Sukun?
            11. What do you say about Izmir assasination conspiracy?
            12. What do you say about cleansing of Ottoman archives in Kemal's lifetime?
            13. What do you say about Kurdish exiles?
            14. What do you say about Kemal admits the AG when he needed and deny when he didnt?


            you sound like a college-know-it-all-hippie.

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            • Sites down again.
              "All truth passes through three stages:
              First, it is ridiculed;
              Second, it is violently opposed; and
              Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

              Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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              • Originally posted by mthT View Post
                you sound like a college-know-it-all-hippie.
                You didn't sound anything.Or what you say is not sound.

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                • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                  You didn't sound anything.Or what you say is not sound.
                  LOL, arda, you ROCK!!!!!
                  I have been there... I have seen ruins of St. Karapet!

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                  • Originally posted by ardakilic View Post
                    You didn't sound anything.Or what you say is not sound.
                    "1. bla bla 2. lalalala 3. lololol" thing is lame, kinda ahmet çakar. and most of your claims were... ehm. I guess you read gözcü?


                    btw, vahe, you're a great yancı.

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                    • Originally posted by mthT View Post
                      I guess you read gözcü?
                      .
                      No i dont because i am not a all-day-cafe-dweller-retired-Kemalist-gerry.

                      Sooo, can you read and write?

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