Please Sign This Petition: Özür diliyoruz

[ardakilic]

kendini super kahraman sadrazamin sol tasagindan cikma xxxkurt zanneden insan musveddesi arkadasim burada agzi kan kokan fasist niyetli insanlara ihtiyacimiz yok ermeni veya turk insanca seyler yapmaya calisiyoruz. umarim yeterince acik olmusumdur.

Actually, i add him my MSN list and now we are talking about Artsakh, Genocide, Kemalism and Ittihadists.

Firstly, he was shocked when he has heard i can speak Turkish and then learnt i am Turkish. After that, he was shocked more that i am not a monster eating little children.

In the beginning, he was so rude, so irrogant, so arrogant, so aggressive. But after our first conversation, he learnt to thank and saying "yes you are right but" and proposing something logical.

We are covering a distance. Maybe small but very important distance.

Just wanted to share...

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Actually, i add him my MSN list and now we are talking about Artsakh, Genocide, Kemalism and Ittihadists.

Firstly, he was shocked when he has heard i can speak Turkish and then learnt i am Turkish. After that, he was shocked more that i am not a monster eating little children.

In the beginning, he was so rude, so irrogant, so arrogant, so aggressive. But after our first conversation, he learnt to thank and saying "yes you are right but" and proposing something logical.

We are covering a distance. Maybe small but very important distance.

Just wanted to share...

Hey, arda, why don’t you add me in your MSN too maybe I will learn some manners too

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

with feeling sorry for using turkish but i want to say something.

kendini super kahraman sadrazamin sol tasagindan cikma xxxkurt zanneden insan musveddesi arkadasim burada agzi kan kokan fasist niyetli insanlara ihtiyacimiz yok ermeni veya turk insanca seyler yapmaya calisiyoruz. umarim yeterince acik olmusumdur.

what does it say?

[VaheTheGreat(e)]

Turkish MP Urges Parliament to Apologize to Armenians

Published: Monday December 22, 2008


ISTANBUL (Marmara)--A Turkish parliament member's request Sunday that the legislature apologize to Armenians for the “events of 1915” has caused an uproar in parliament, with members hurling personal insults at one another.

Democratic Society Party (DTP) member Osman Euzcelik brought the matter up during parliament's discussion of the education ministry budget and went on to recall the Armenian massacres by using the Kurdish word that describes Genocide.

He also said that he had heard stories about the Armenian killings as child growing up in Turkey and added that the killings were planned by the sultan of the Ottoman Empire and were carried out by groups called Hamiddiye, which also had Kurdish members.

Euzcelik likened the campaign to kill Armenians to the current campaign waged against the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK).

“These groups killed a large number of Armenians. A lot of times they would line up the Armenians and shoot them in the chest. All Armenians of Martin were killed and some fled to Syria,” said Euzcelik, who added that his grandfather's family provided refuge for Genocide survivors.

Nevzad Pakdil, who was presiding over the parliament session, interrupted Euzcelik, blasting him for “insulting the society in which you live.”

Euzcelik said that he was apologizing to Armenians on his own behalf.

Pakdil intervened again attempting to stifle the parliament member. Members of the Justice and Development Party (AKP) applauded the Pakdil while another DTP member, Surru Saken directed his anger to Paktdil by saying, “Mr. Chairman, you represent the Marash district and you know full well the extent of the tragedy that unfolded there.”

This comment prompted a member of the AKP to walk toward DTP members and begin screaming at his fellow parliamentarians. Another parliament member intervened to stop what could have become a physical altercation.

“Should we not talk about the facts? There is not one Assyrian left,” screamed another DTP member during the commotion, which was followed by several DTP members leaving the parliament.

Earlier in October, DTP leader, Ahmet Turk, denounced the government's policy regarding the Kurdish issue, describing it as “cultural and societal genocide."

"The policy of denial, assimilation and eradication has affected people. Only the Kurds resisted. They still resist," Turk told demonstrators in the south-eastern city of Diyarbakir on October 22.

DTP, the country's main Kurdish party, has been under siege by the Turkish government, facing a possible ban by the constitutional court in what is widely recognized as being a politically charged case aimed at decapitating the party.



Monday, December 22, 2008

Wow indeed!!!!

I wouldn’t beleave this will happen in my life time! We straggle to bring issue of genocide in European parliaments and her we go! A Kurdish deputat brings the issue in to the TURKISH PARLIAMENT! Doesn’t matter he got raped for that by others, the fact is fact, there is no taboo anymore! When I read this I was almost crying, it is pity my father didn’t see this day!

[Joseph]

http://www.bianet.org/english/kategori/english/111538/turkish-peace-assembly-supports-the-apology-to-the-armenians-campaign

Turkish Peace Assembly Supports The Apology To The Armenians Campaign

The Turkish Peace Assembly describes the campaign to apologize to the Armenians as a right move in the direction of facing the past. They claim that the citizens did what the state should have done and they accuse the counter campaigns for making living together impossible.

Bia news center - Ankara

23-12-2008


The Turkish Peace Assembly sees “the campaign to apologize to my Armenian brothers and sisters” as a “development that strengthens the hopes and demands for peace.”

The assembly announced that this campaign was part of the process of facing the past and the campaigns that include racist and impatient approaches make living together impossible.
“The citizens did what the state should have done”

Calling upon the authorities to take a step towards the social peace by facing the history and the problems, the Peace Assembly characterized those who participate in the campaigned as “the citizen who are doing what the state should do.”

Describing the announcements by the Prime Minister, the Chief of Staff and the heads of the political parties as “the counter campaign”, The Peace Assembly says, “The fact the President felt forced to reveal his ethnic origin to the public shows what kind of danger a normal citizen and the society are facing.”
The number of the signatures is 20 thousand

In the morning hours, when this news was being written, the number of the signatures in the campaign to apologize to the Armenians (ozurdiliyoruz.com) was over 20 thousand. (TK/TB)

[imported_crusader1492]

Open letter rekindles Turkish debate on Armenian massacre
The Irish Times

ANGRY DEBATES fuelled by an online initiative inviting individual Turks to apologise for the ethnic cleansing of Armenians during the first World War showed no signs of fading this week, as Turkey's president took an opposition deputy to court for an alleged racial slur, writes NICHOLAS BIRCH in Istanbul

Lawyers for Abdullah Gul announced on Monday that he was seeking symbolic compensation from Canan Aritman after she hinted his mother had Armenian roots.

"Gul should be president of the entire Turkish nation, not just of those sharing his ethnicity," Ms Aritman said on December 17th. "Look into Gul's roots on his mother's side, and you'll see."

Her outburst followed Mr Gul's description of the initiative, which has attracted 20,000 signatures since it was launched on December 15th, as compatible with a democratic society.

"My conscience does not accept the denial of the Great Catastrophe that the Ottoman Armenians were subjected to in 1915," the open letter reads. "I reject this injustice . . . and empathise with the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers. I apologise to them."

Mr Gul's doveish tone was characteristic of a man who, in September, became the first Turkish statesman to visit Armenia, triggering hopes of a rapprochement between the two countries after nearly a century of enmity.

Turkey and Armenia remain at loggerheads over what exactly happened in 1915. Turkey accepts that many Armenians were killed during the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, but insists they were victims of interethnic conflicts that claimed more Muslim victims.

For Armenians, and most western historians, the ethnic cleansing that killed at least 600,000 Armenians amounted to genocide.

Ten years ago, openly debating 1915 in Turkey was all but impossible. Today, universities organise conferences on the issue, and bookshops sell books by western and Armenian historians, alongside texts defending the official Turkish thesis.

Journalist Semin Gumusel ascribes the new openness to a general change in attitudes in Turkey. "In the past, Turks used to listen to the big men and nod their heads obediently," she says.

"But the days of blind obedience are over. People ask questions now."

Others attribute the initiative to the shock that followed the murder of the Armenian-Turkish editor Hrant Dink. A leading advocate of a more humane debate on the Armenian issue, Dink was gunned down by a nationalist teenager in January 2007.

"When he died, it was as if a veil had been torn from the eyes of the democratic-minded citizens of this country," says Nil Mutluer, a feminist activist who signed the letter. "People realised there was no time to be lost."

The road ahead looks hard. The chief organisers of the 1915 massacres continue to be commemorated in street names across the country.

Ms Aritman has not been the only public figure to criticise the open letter.

Senior generals said it damaged the country. Prime minister Tayyip Erdogan was contemptuous: "[The signatories] must have committed genocide themselves since they are apologising," he said last Friday. "The Turkish Republic does not have such a problem."

Met with nothing worse than a mild slap on the wrist from her party, meanwhile, Ms Aritman upped the ante on Monday.

"These days, scientists use DNA tests, not family trees, to identify ethnic identity," she said, referring to Mr Gul's insistence he was of Turkish stock.

"My slogan is 'happy is he who says I am a Turk'," she added, using a well-known slogan of the founder of modern Turkey, Kemal Ataturk.

Managing editor of Radikal , a liberal daily, Erdal Guven describes Ms Aritman's party's failure to sack her as "a disgrace".

"It is a pity too that Gul didn't make it more clear that it would have made no difference if his granny had been an Armenian."

[Edoman]

Hey, arda, why don’t you add me in your MSN too maybe I will learn some manners too

Are you kidding? You are as hopeless as I am.

Welcome back Vahe

[ardakilic]

Hey, arda, why don’t you add me in your MSN too maybe I will learn some manners too

I dont suppose so

He is only 15 years old and naturally banned. I just need to make an explanation.

[ardakilic]

what does it say?

kendini super kahraman sadrazamin sol tasagindan cikma xxxkurt zanneden insan musveddesi arkadasim burada agzi kan kokan fasist niyetli insanlara ihtiyacimiz yok ermeni veya turk insanca seyler yapmaya calisiyoruz. umarim yeterince acik olmusumdur.

Translation:

Hey, supposing yourself super hero grey-wolf dropping from sadrazam's left ball human-draft friend, we dont need here fascist whose mouth smell blood. Armenian or Turkish, we try to do something humanly. I hope i am clear enough.

[Steph]

Azerbaijan decided not to interfere into Armenia-Turkey relations?
22.12.2008 18:03 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Turkey will itself decide whether to normalize relations with Armenia or not. Azerbaijan will never meddle with the affairs of other sovereign states, said a spokesman for the Azeri Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

“Turkish President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minsiter Recep Tayyip Erdogan have already condemned the apology campaign,” Khazar Ibrahim said, Bakililar.az reports.

Over 20 thousand of Turkish intellectuals, authors, journalists, scientists and musicians have already signed the apology petition which reads, "My conscience does not accept the insensitivity showed to and the denial of the Great Calamity that befell the Ottoman Armenians in 1915. I reject this injustice and for my share, I empathize with the feelings and pain of my Armenian brothers. I apologize to them."

azeris again show that they are in some kind of parallel universe.