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Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

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  • #121
    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
    Apart from the above, I'd like to remind firat that if the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour unexpectedly, fiercely and viciously, Americans whouldn't have bombed them. The Japs did a real number on American personnel and ships and very unexpectedly. At the time, America wanted to show them not to fool around with the US, that America is not asleep.


    It actually saved lives by not prolonging the war, probably saved millions of lives.
    "All truth passes through three stages:
    First, it is ridiculed;
    Second, it is violently opposed; and
    Third, it is accepted as self-evident."

    Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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    • #122
      Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

      Originally posted by Gavur View Post
      It actually saved lives by not prolonging the war, probably saved millions of lives.
      Exactly. There could have been another way. But then all they could think of was starving millions of Japanese to death or allowing the Soviet Union to capture some of mainland Japan (which would have happened had the US tried a land invasion, in fact the stats were there to show the first invasion force would have failed). The war would have taken many more years with a land invasion. The bomb wasn't the best way but the only way they could think of at the time.

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      • #123
        Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

        Originally posted by Anoush View Post
        Apart from the above, I'd like to remind firat that if the Japanese didn't bomb Pearl Harbour unexpectedly, fiercely and viciously, Americans whouldn't have bombed them. The Japs did a real number on American personnel and ships and very unexpectedly. At the time, America wanted to show them not to fool around with the US, that America is not asleep.
        Japan had already surrendered before the atomic bombs were used. Those cities were specifically chosen due to their size, etc. It was a test of their capability. This is American/Herya propaganda. Look how technologically advanced the Japanese are even AFTER getting bombed back to the stone ages.

        The Japanese in the US were rounded up and sent to internment camps... for being US citizens... nice.
        Last edited by KanadaHye; 06-01-2009, 05:50 PM.
        "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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        • #124
          Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

          Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
          Japan had already surrendered before the atomic bombs were used. Those cities were specifically chosen due to their size, etc. It was a test of their capability. This is American/Herya propaganda. Look how technologically advanced the Japanese are even AFTER getting bombed back to the stone ages.

          The Japanese in the US were rounded up and sent to internment camps... for being US citizens... nice.
          Agree with KH, the US bombed an area filled with civilians, not military personel, to say that its fair that a nuke gets dropped on women and children because the US got their military attacked isn't that fair

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          • #125
            Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

            I would also like to remind here that the U.S. has never claimed any land from anyone. Not anyone in the world. If the American ship wasn't attacked in WWII, the US wouldn't have gone to war even then.

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            • #126
              Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

              Originally posted by Pedro Xaramillo View Post
              Agree with KH, the US bombed an area filled with civilians, not military personel, to say that its fair that a nuke gets dropped on women and children because the US got their military attacked isn't that fair
              Not only that, the fire bombs that were dropped on Tokyo and other cities were much more lethal and frightening than the atomic bombs... the atomic bombs were unnecessary.

              Also, Germany had surrendered just days before the Soviets declared war on Japan, meaning that not only would Japan be fighting the US, and British forces but also the Soviets.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #127
                Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

                Originally posted by Pedro Xaramillo View Post
                Agree with KH, the US bombed an area filled with civilians, not military personel, to say that its fair that a nuke gets dropped on women and children because the US got their military attacked isn't that fair
                That's true, it isn't at that.

                But I believe that the US sent the Japanese US citizens to internment camps because they didn't trust the Japanese right after Pearl Harbour. But after a while I believe they freed them.

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                • #128
                  Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

                  Originally posted by Anoush View Post
                  That's true, it isn't at that.

                  But I believe that the US sent the Japanese US citizens to internment camps because they didn't trust the Japanese right after Pearl Harbour. But after a while I believe they freed them.
                  Racism runs deeper than that Anoush.

                  Once the bombing on Pearl Harbour happened racism came to a head. British Columbians started to blame all their troubles and problems on the Japanese. Japanese people were blamed for everything from a bad crop to a flat tire. The scared people of BC cried out, wanting the BC Government to deal with the problem as they saw it-Japanese Canadians. The people of British Columbia wanted to feel safe in their homes again and they wanted Prime Minister Mackenzie King to rid Canada of people of Japanese orign. They were causing a threat to Canada (or so it was believed by the public.) Mackenzie King wanted the votes from B.C. so he was more than happy to do what they asked. Mackenzie's first order of business was to incarcerate all Japanese males between the ages 14 and 45. They were ordered to move more than 160 km inland. This was to "safe guard" the pacific coast from Japanese spies. The Canadian government took away all of the Japanese fishing fleets, in order to protect Canada.

                  Innocent Japanese Canadians were stripped of their rights, issued special clothing, humiliated, thrown behind barb wire fences, and were forced to do manual labour.

                  Living in interment camps was a hard life to live. Many families were forced to live in cramped quarters with ten other families sharing one stove. Some camps such as Slocan city; didn't have the resources to house the huge amounts of people coming into the camps. Many Japanese were placed in tents until there were houses available. One would think that moving from a tent to a house would be a step up, but this was not true. Most houses consisted of panel board with no insulation, rickety walls and maybe a stove. During the harsh cold winters many Japanese put lanterns under their beds to try and keep warm.

                  Despite their race, they were still Canadian citizens, but Canada chose not to recognize them as equals just because of the war. Many believed that the internment camps were manifested out of British Columbian's hatred for the Japanese.

                  Lets hope that generations to come can learn from our mistakes, our ignorance, and realize that just because something comes in a different colour or a different shape doesn't mean it is bad, or that it is wrong..... so we hope.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                  • #129
                    Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

                    Yep. But the fact is this. They honestly believed this bombing was winning the war. The problem was they not only wiped out the military but the people too. There was a military base at the places they bombed actually. But that was besides the point, they dropped the bombs to show Japan resistance was futile and that they should just accept the unconditional surrender. Also the Japanese had not surrendered before the bombs, they were merely discussing it. A misconception there.

                    As for internment camps, both sides had those. The Nazi's and Japanese had worse ones though.

                    Shouldn't we be getting back on topic btw?
                    Last edited by hipeter924; 06-01-2009, 07:39 PM.

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                    • #130
                      Re: Erdogan Finally Admits Turkey Practiced Ethnic Cleansing

                      That has got to to be the stupidest thing you have ever said. Please don't show your face in this thread with such stupidity. Now you show your true self, huh Turk?
                      My trueself? you guys are realy hopeless..

                      Do you even believe your own Palavra?
                      No. I am dreaming. That is why all azeris home under armenian occupation is empty..


                      Agreed fully!!!!!
                      You are denying ethnic cleansing. So You are guilty from ethnic cleansing.

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