Robert Fisk:treaty with Turkey

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Robert Fisk:treaty with Turkey

Many in the diaspora is shocked by this because they only associate the Armenian identity with the genocide. For them, this is treasonous. For those who can identify with our history and culture, this is more of a disappointment because S. Sarkisian won nothing from this and Turkey received small concessions from Yerevan and scored major points with the EU, NATO, US, UN and all organizations that previously looked down on them for their history of ethnic terrorism against their own people.

The main objective for the 'protocols' is inter-government dialogue...they should first receive an acknowledgment of the genocide, before all else, not just for the sake of justice (not that justice matters in politics) but because without it, you can not expect Turkey to be sincere about anything else it says/promises.

There was an ethnic cleansing policy during the ottoman empire. more than heirs to the genocide, they also had a campaign to further ethnic (turkic) based policies (ethnically cleansing the identities of indigenous peoples) not just while ataturk was alive but even moreso since then.

[bell-the-cat]

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That's what you think.What Bell is doing is he can't attack the man on substance but only on vanity. Let Bell produce the incredible body of work Fisk has produced (and not gotten the credit he deserved, since hes anti-establishment) then he can make personal attacks and innuendo against him. Bells just (not valid but in) jealous

You know nothing about Fisk's writings. Most of his articles fail. For the informed, they are are almost always over-simplifications, full of errors. For the uninformed, they never explain essential things clearly enough and they often contain annoying sidetracks into whatever his current personal hobby-horse interest is, or that "and only I dare talk about it" smuggness and boasting. Reading his articles, you would think he was the only person ever to speak out against Blair and his lies about Iraq.

[bell-the-cat]

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Bell's criticism is valid. No attacks necessary. He's not scolding Fisk for speaking out against genocide denial and other human rights abuses, but for his tendency to constantly pat himself on the back.

I'd also scold him about the specific content of that article. He, without presenting a shred of evidence to back up the assertion, calls the agreement a "trade-for-denial treaty", and gives his article a completely over-the-top tabloid-style "new trade deal is set to gloss over the murder of 1.5 million people" subheading.

And there are all the usual oversimplifications that misrepresent the true facts about the Genocide. Stuff like "Erzerum, Serena [???], Sivas, Bitlis and other cities in Turkish western Armenia" play straight into the hands of the Turkish propagandists. The victims of the Armenian Genocide were mostly not from from "Western Armenia" (i.e. Eastern Turkey) - they were from central Turkey, Western Turkey, Cilicia, etc. But by saying they were all from the East, he is actually agreeing with the Turkish lies that say the victims were being evacuated from a war zone. And NK wasn't "seized from Azerbaijan by Armenian militias".

The mention of the WW1 Kut prisoners is either an example of his sidetracks, or an example of his condescending attitudes: is he assuming that his readers will care nothing about the subject of the article unless there is some mention of British citizens being mistreated in it?

[Gavur]

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You know nothing about Fisk's writings. Most of his articles fail. For the informed, they are are almost always over-simplifications, full of errors. For the uninformed, they never explain essential things clearly enough and they often contain annoying sidetracks into whatever his current personal hobby-horse interest is, or that "and only I dare talk about it" smuggness and boasting. Reading his articles, you would think he was the only person ever to speak out against Blair and his lies about Iraq.

I Don't believe I missed any of his columns in the past 5 years, what I really enjoyed was reading hes excellent book The Great War for civilisation: the conquest of the Middle East,I just get a kick out of war journalism because it puts you right in action and takes courage to do, unlike sitting home and trying to create BS.I'm not sure if there were errors sometimes in hes works that's not what I personally look for in hes work, he's just not that kind of a writer and I'm sure they are unintentional, but hes not acknowledging hes minor errors sometimes causing you worry, don't fret my little furry friend most authors have a proof reader and they are human also they all err.
I think we need to look for what is right in our true allies and value that instead of maximizing errs on some detail, this after all is not a court room and Armenian Genocide is too big for any court in the world to hear, anyways.

[hipeter924]

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You know nothing about Fisk's writings. Most of his articles fail. For the informed, they are are almost always over-simplifications, full of errors. For the uninformed, they never explain essential things clearly enough and they often contain annoying sidetracks into whatever his current personal hobby-horse interest is, or that "and only I dare talk about it" smuggness and boasting. Reading his articles, you would think he was the only person ever to speak out against Blair and his lies about Iraq.

Oh please, even Turks like Fisk (due to his articles about Israel and the middle east). They just don't read the parts about the Armenian Genocide. :P

Get over it. Fisk owned Turkey, and there is no bull they can put out to silence his argument.

Sure you can wine and moan:
"its not fair that Robert Fisk is popular"
"if we just had a little more time we could disprove the genocide"
"his grammar is terrible"

Please get over it. You can't compete with Robert Fisk...moan, cry, cry

[jgk3]

Re: Robert Fisk:treaty with Turkey

This thread seems to have served its purpose, now you guys are just taking shots at eachother. Thread closed.