Vive La France !!!!!

[londontsi]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

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I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it – Voltaire

This type of “words of wisdom” may be meaningful when the answer to a question is a matter of debate or a matter of opinion.
It may apply to results obtained from a process or from an experiment.
Theories are another example, say opinions about a Galaxy 500 million light years away.

Historical facts specially not yet 100 years old, events still in the memory of parents or grandparents.
Official archives available and definition of Genocide clearly defined.

The guilty party in desperation, resorting to desperate actions.
Censoring debate within its own country, threating any and every country weaker or stronger to stop recognition.

Despite that nearly 20 countries recognise the events as Genocide.

It is absolutely idiotic to refer Voltaire’s remark, absolutely out of context.

You might as well argue green is blue, red is white, using a saying by this “famous” individual to cover an idiocy.

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[londontsi]

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.... If you can demonstrate your answer is valid,
backed up by verified facts and logical reasoning,
then you should be entitled to present that answer...

Since this whole debate is about the Armenian Genocide,

Would it be fair to say you have not bothered to find out available research regarding the Armenian Genocide.

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[Sip]

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Since this whole debate is about the Armenian Genocide,

Would it be fair to say you have not bothered to find out available research regarding the Armenian Genocide.

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??? I think you misunderstood. I never said the Armenian Genocide did not happen.

Also if I were a teacher and you used Voltair's quote to somehow validate Turkish claims, I am sure I would have a perfectly good grade to assign to you. But never the less, you still have the RIGHT to say what you want to say.

There is a BIG difference in being allowed to say or not allowed to say something versus saying something stupid and getting an F in school. I hope this distinction is clear.

[Eddo211]

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Those who deny genocide always dismiss the abundance of documents and testimony as contrived or coerced, or as forgeries and falsehoods. Free speech does not guarantee the deniers the right to be treated as the "other" side of a legitimate debate when there is no credible "other side;" nor does it guarantee the deniers space in the classroom or curriculum, or in any other forum.

Genocide denial is an insidious form of intellectual and moral degradation and a violation of what a university represents.
Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to demonize the victims and rehabilitate the perpetrators. Denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide; it is what Elie Wiesel has called a "double killing." Denial murders the dignity of the survivors and seeks to destroy the remembrance of the crime.

[londontsi]

Re: Vive La France !!!!!

Those who deny genocide always dismiss the abundance of documents and testimony as contrived or coerced, or as forgeries and falsehoods. Free speech does not guarantee the deniers the right to be treated as the "other" side of a legitimate debate when there is no credible "other side;" nor does it guarantee the deniers space in the classroom or curriculum, or in any other forum.

Genocide denial is an insidious form of intellectual and moral degradation and a violation of what a university represents.
Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to demonize the victims and rehabilitate the perpetrators. Denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide; it is what Elie Wiesel has called a "double killing." Denial murders the dignity of the survivors and seeks to destroy the remembrance of the crime.

Well said Eddo.
I couldn’t have said it better!!!!

[bell-the-cat]

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Those who deny genocide always dismiss the abundance of documents and testimony as contrived or coerced, or as forgeries and falsehoods. Free speech does not guarantee the deniers the right to be treated as the "other" side of a legitimate debate when there is no credible "other side;" nor does it guarantee the deniers space in the classroom or curriculum, or in any other forum.

Genocide denial is an insidious form of intellectual and moral degradation and a violation of what a university represents.
Denial of genocide strives to reshape history in order to demonize the victims and rehabilitate the perpetrators. Denial of genocide is the final stage of genocide; it is what Elie Wiesel has called a "double killing." Denial murders the dignity of the survivors and seeks to destroy the remembrance of the crime.

And Armenians actually wonder why the phrase "Armenian Genocide" still almost always has the words "alleged" or "allegations" attached to it. The only people who really maintain the continued use of the "alleged" word are Armenians! Eveything Armenians do, every book they publish, every article they write, every inane activist comment they make, just seems to assure the continued use of "alleged". I am beginning to believe that Armenian community leaders, social commentators, and politicians do not want the "alleged" tag to ever vanish from use. Perhaps they see the Armenian Genocide recognition goal as the only glue that binds all Armenians together, and so to actualy achieve the aim would be a social and national disaster. This proposed French law is just a new way for the lifespan of "alleged" to be extended into another generation.

[Eddo211]

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And Armenians actually wonder why the phrase "Armenian Genocide" still almost always has the words "alleged" or "allegations" attached to it. The only people who really maintain the continued use of the "alleged" word are Armenians! Eveything Armenians do, every book they publish, every article they write, every inane activist comment they make, just seems to assure the continued use of "alleged". I am beginning to believe that Armenian community leaders, social commentators, and politicians do not want the "alleged" tag to ever vanish from use. Perhaps they see the Armenian Genocide recognition goal as the only glue that binds all Armenians together, and so to actualy achieve the aim would be a social and national disaster. This proposed French law is just a new way for the lifespan of "alleged" to be extended into another generation.

How do you figure "alleged", jingle bells.

[hrai]

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How do you figure "alleged", jingle bells.

Eddo jan, I don't know why we put up with this Trojan Horse, infecting every page and post with anti-Armenian bile.

[HermanGerman]

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An alle türkischen Wölfe im Katzengewand! Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil!

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richtli...srichtlinie%29

France did nothing than to adopt the anti-racism directive of the European Union. So you better shut your mouth, your garlic breath is unbearable

[hrai]

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An alle türkischen Wölfe im Katzengewand! Wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil!

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richtli...srichtlinie%29

France did nothing than to adopt the anti-racism directive of the European Union. So you better shut your mouth, your garlic breath is unbearable

Herman, I can't see that the directive quoted includes the legislation passed by the French lower parliament. And if it does can we expect all 26 or so EU states to pass the same, especially Germany with it's millions of turcs & kurds?