Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

"Simple" does not apply to what you said, it applies to the rules of a debate: when you don't disagree with someone's comments then you reply with explanations and clarifications. While asking - at least, in cases like here - the other to "translate" a post and reply in a certain language is absurd.
If you don't think that I understood why you have said, then
*repeats...again* It's very simple: if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed?

You said 'why do I care?' and in the above post I stated my reasons in Armenian. If you can't read it just let me know. Why is it such a big deal for you. If you can read Armenian then why did you ask that question and why are you so bent on not answering or even summarizing in Armenian. It's not that big of a deal if you can read and write in Armenian. If you don't know then just say it.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I don't know why many people here are dissing the true Hay patriots. they should be learn who the turks really are and what they are doing know go and look some repliese on youtube that's what the averege turk is thinking about us. So let's fight the real enemy and not our fellow hay patriots

For the record: If I understand you correctly, I am not - and I don't think that others are - dissing sev_zeytun; we are debating and disagreements - or occasional friction - are part of the game.
Lets not dramatize it. But Thanks for the concern.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

If it's so simple then why don't you just tell me what I said. It's very simple, if you think about it. All I want to know is if you understood what I had said. I understand that you understood Karo but, for some reason, you don't seem to understand what I had said.

"Simple" does not apply to what you said, it applies to the rules of a debate: when you don't disagree with someone's comments then you reply with explanations and clarifications. While asking - at least, in cases like here - the other to "translate" a post and reply in a certain language is absurd.
If you don't think that I understood why you have said, then
*repeats...again* It's very simple: if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed?

for part two you can look at some posts on the whole 'Turkish cypriot' post. I don't hate people, I just dislike some governments.

I don't have to read other thread(s) for a reply! With all due respect, it is absurd.
*repeats...again* I explained my reasons, I gave examples and I will have to continue to believe so....untill you show me otherwise.

Explain yourself and show me how and why my understanding is wrong.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I don't know why many people here are dissing the true Hay patriots. they should be learn who the turks really are and what they are doing know go and look some repliese on youtube that's what the averege turk is thinking about us. So let's fight the real enemy and not our fellow hay patriots

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

What? What are you trying to prove?
It's very simple: if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed?

Please explain instead of claiming.
To repeat myself, I explained my reasons, I gave examples and I will have to continue to believe so....untill to show me otherwise.

If it's so simple then why don't you just tell me what I said. It's very simple, if you think about it. All I want to know is if you understood what I had said. I understand that you understood Karo but, for some reason, you don't seem to understand what I had said.

for part two you can look at some posts on the whole 'Turkish cypriot' post. I don't hate people, I just dislike some governments.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

For the first part, tell me in Armenian what I said in the previous posts (the Armenian ones) and tell me what you think (in Armenian).

What? What are you trying to prove?
It's very simple: if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed?

2nd part: I critisize the US a lot and I look at a lot of its negatives much more than I look at its positives. You think I actually believe everything that the US news channels or the government tell the general public? Because, honestly, I don't.

Please explain instead of claiming.
To repeat myself, I explained my reasons, I gave examples and I will have to continue to believe so....untill to show me otherwise.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Yes, I can read Armenian.
I assure you that I did not "judge without reading the rest" and, if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed? Thanks..

I did not say or imply that you are "in political'drugs' ," I simply implied that you seem to be under the influence - i.e. indoctrinated by - the "political drugs" - to use your terms - systematically and massively administered in certain countries - like the US. I explained my reasons, I gave examples and I will have to continue to believe so....untill to show me otherwise.

For the first part, tell me in Armenian what I said in the previous posts (the Armenian ones) and tell me what you think (in Armenian).

2nd part: I critisize the US a lot and I look at a lot of its negatives much more than I look at its positives. You think I actually believe everything that the US news channels or the government tell the general public? Because, honestly, I don't.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Siamanto, can you even read Armenian? If so, then you are really bad at it. I mean, I made a few mistakes but still, I think I made my point very clear. Don't judge without reading the rest.

Yes, I can read Armenian.
I assure you that I did not "judge without reading the rest" and, if I missed anything, can you explain yourself and let me know what I have missed? Thanks..

I'm not in political'drugs' you're just blind.

I don't know what "being in political'drugs' " means; but, I simply implied that you seem to be under the influence - i.e. indoctrinated by - the "political drugs" - to use your terms - systematically and massively administered in certain countries - like the US. I explained my reasons, I gave examples and I will have to continue to believe so....untill to show me otherwise.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Siamanto, can you even read Armenian? If so, then you are really bad at it. I mean, I made a few mistakes but still, I think I made my point very clear. Don't judge without reading the rest.I'm not in political'drugs' you're just blind.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Well, I think I need to clarify what I was talking about. I was only addressing the Armenian's living in Turkey.

I have known many Armenians from TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, but I do not have enough exposure to agree or disagree with your statement - when limited to that particular community. However, I know that many of them would vehemently react, as if insulted, disfigured and vilified by your statement.

I think that it is shameful that the Turkish people call the Armenians there 'invalids' and other insulting names. I was saying that if they show who they are and practice whatever bits and pieces of Armenian culture that they know (like a little bit of religion maybe), that, eventually they would be accepted as Armenians and that the Turks would soon realize that Armenians are not bad people and that their 'image' of Armenians is completely wrong. I was not saying that all Armenians should go the Turkey and live there or anything even close to that. By 'integration, and acceptance' I meant for those who live in Turkey (they can be accepted for who they are, not who they pretend to be).

As Karo said, why do you care? Why does it matter what morally reprehensible intellectual midgets "think" of - and perceive - Armenians? I challenge you to name a SINGLE intelligent *urkish poster on this forum....And they are the cream of the *urkish "intelligentsia.

Do you really think that a jerk - or, in this case, a Jurk - suddenly becomes sensitive and understanding when you take the time to explain? Please wake up and smell the *urk....it really stinks!

As for an example (Siamanto), look at America in the early 1900's. There was a huge influx of southern and eastern Europeans and the Americans hated them a lot (nativists, so to speak). They tried everything to keep the immigrants out with the Emergency Quota Act and, later, the Immigration Act to keep them out as much as possible (don’t even get me started on the Asian population in America back them). But look at the immigrant populations now. The Americans do not mind that there are Russians, Italians, Greeks, Slovenians, Romanians, ect living right next door and they even like their culture and there is acceptance and mutual respect for one another. As for the whole 'we look the same' bit, I was only talking about body and facial structure. Do you think that a lot of the Turks who know these people or pass by them everyday knew that they were Armenians or had an Armenian background?

Are you comparing the American Society - mainly inheriting from the European Culture - to the *urkish Society - mainly inheriting from the culture of Central Asian nomadic herds of thieves with a medieval mindset and simplistic model of the world?

Are you out of your mind or still on drugs - the one commonly administered in the US to make believe that all human collectivities are comparable????? To consider the dangers of that drug, keep in mind that a majority of the American people - not leaders - agreed to the war in Iraq because they genuinely believed that democracy could be built. Yes, that drug allowed the leaders to manipulate them.
Please wake up and smell the *urk....it really stinks!




Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations