Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
2- They are much greater in number
3- They are Muslim
4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

My talk was not referred to our Hamshen Armenians (who live in western Armenia) but the people in the clip (who were from a village near Constantinople) and some polsahays… who choose to hide their identity, deny what happened to our ancestors, badmouth other Armenians, as long as their business is on track.

Yes, you were limiting yourself to Hidden Armenians and I was aware of it; I just did not express myself clearly. I apologize for the confusion.
Maybe, I should have said:
"The issue is somehow similar to that of the Hamshens, but the latter [the issue of the Hamshens] is more difficult for the following reasons:"
LOL Also, I see that I said "two reasons" but listed four! It was past 2 AM and I was preparing to go to bed.


By the way, it also applies to some of those who claim to be Armenians....for instance, Mesrob Scum Mutafian.

[tamara48]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

No Turks remains in Armenia. Armenians of Turkey have schools, churches,...etc, even an island. Some of them act like cancer. ...

what deos it mean,who acts like cancer?
anyway hidden Armenians are really hidden because most orphan children's name were changed and they were given to turkish families.Ya,Armenians have schools,churches,...etc.even an island,but just in Istanbul.Tom is right,what about Anatolian Armenians?

[Lucin]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

There's no easy answer to your question: do you take the chance to reintegrate within the Armenian Nation or do you let History take its course and complete the assimilation process into the *urkish Nation?

The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
2- They are much greater in number
3- They are Muslim
4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

Considering that, in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, then I can't consider them as Armenians because, ethnically, they either are not - or, in the best case, may not be.

Why not reintegrate them into the Armenian Nations? On the positive side, not only we would grow in number, but we would also "have a foot" in Western Armenia. On the negative side, there may be a risk of contamination of Armenian values and mindset by *urkish ones.
In any case, it is a complex question and the above is just an oversimplified discussion.


Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

My talk was not referred to our Hamshen Armenians (who live in western Armenia) but the people in the clip (who were from a village near Constantinople) and some polsahays… who choose to hide their identity, deny what happened to our ancestors, badmouth other Armenians, as long as their business is on track.
Regarding hamshentis, I agree with you on their reintegration in the future, although I don't know how their Islam would be dealt ...

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

ArmSurvival who can you talk about friendship between armenian and turks? how can we be friends with people that still denie what there antcestors have done to us and the reason that most armenians hate turks is for what they have done in the past and what they are doing now
Siamanto you're right their is no easy awnsor for their problem but their is one thing that they need to do and that is never forgot who they are and where they are from this is something evrey Hay that doesn't live in Armenia needs to do so that we never are going to be assemilated(sp?)


Karo

[exfo]

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In TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey,

I read again and again. What temporarily bla bla bla...is this Angry girl Siamanto! Just so funny really

[exfo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

I have no problem with Armenians hating the nationalist and racist Turks, I'll join you on that one. But you guys don't seem to understand that generalizing an entire people makes them stand united against us. Don't push the liberal Turks into the same camp as the nationalists. Making more people hate us = Bad politics.

This is a really good point that I agree as a Turk. Your radical hatred make the problem unsolved. If you stop this Turks are bla bl bla sh.t, then we may struggle against the idiotic nationalist Turks here in Turkey But your diaspora make everything worse. It is nice that one Armenian, finally, at least, come to this point.

[exfo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

In TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian, Greek or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, the difference is of ethnic nature. *urks, not only have stolen the ancestral lands of the natives, they have also stolen the genetic heritage and physical appearance- as if to create the illusion of being the rightful owners of the stolen lands.

Wow! This was the strongest hatred message I have ever seen here. Wow, you really literally hate Turks.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Hidden 'Armenians' in Turkey...


I don’t know what you guys think of the clip and the people there( some of you might be tearful), but personally I have no pity for these Armenians, they are an utter embarrassment to our nation...

There's no easy answer to your question: do you take the chance to reintegrate within the Armenian Nation or do you let History take its course and complete the assimilation process into the *urkish Nation?

The issue of the Hamshens is more difficult for two reasons:
1- They are aware of their Armenian past and do not necessarily hide it
2- They are much greater in number
3- They are Muslim
4- It's a well defined - organized or not - denomination or community

Considering that, in TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, then I can't consider them as Armenians because, ethnically, they either are not - or, in the best case, may not be.

Why not reintegrate them into the Armenian Nations? On the positive side, not only we would grow in number, but we would also "have a foot" in Western Armenia. On the negative side, there may be a risk of contamination of Armenian values and mindset by *urkish ones.
In any case, it is a complex question and the above is just an oversimplified discussion.


Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

[TomServo]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

No Turks remains in Armenia. Armenians of Turkey have schools, churches,...etc, even an island. Some of them act like cancer. ...

Remember the Treaty of Lausanne? The one you always bring up when Armenians speak of Western Armenia? In it, your leaders agreed to respect the rights of Turkey's minorities. So I'm sorry it bothers you that the Armenian community of Turkey, now reduced to a few schools, churches and perhaps an island in Istanbul, is still there.

Turks in Armenia? What about Armenians in Anatolia? Thanks for preserving a few thousand in Istanbul as a showcase of your country's tolerance. Though after recent events such as Hrant Dink's assassination, and keeping in mind the fate of the historic Greek community, their days might be numbered.

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Lets continue to hate Turks.

LOL It's all about semiotics: all objects - as signs - have a function and usage. For instance, you can eat an apple, you can draw it etc. You can sit on a chair, use it as a decoration - at least, some of them - etc.
You can either hate a *urk - what those who were exposed to them do - use them as watchdogs or killers - that's how the US uses them - or use them as "punching bags" - i.e. Tęte de Turc - in street fairs - that's what the French did - etc.
You see, it's all about semiotics!


Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations