Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

[ArmSurvival]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

ArmSurvival who can you talk about friendship between armenian and turks? how can we be friends with people that still denie what there antcestors have done to us and the reason that most armenians hate turks is for what they have done in the past and what they are doing now

There are a lot of Turks who think the genocide should be recognized (mostly Turks outside of Turkey, but there are a growing number inside Turkey). My point is if we declare some kind of hatred or disassociation with Turks in general, then those who are for recognizing the genocide will be stuck between racist Armenians and those who are fanatics in their own society. Not all Turks have the same opinion.

[skhara]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Come little bit more west.

lol -- so maybe you should have said Armenia from the start. Thank god for that!

Turks have more business in Caucasia

so sayeth the deity of the savage nomads.

than you have business in Turkey.

'I' certainly have no business in 'turkey'.

[Selpak]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

no one supports Sevr in Turkey as Armenian

Find a forum member whois from Turkey and ask him/her. http://www.koxuz.biz/

according to some Turks Circassians aretheir slaves,right?-Rums,Greek,**ew....

According to which Turks? Ulen bi bok anlamıyorum ki yazdıklarınızdan. Bi diyorsun bizim köydeki ermeniler şahane yemek yapıyorlar -yeme yanında yat-, ondan sonra Anadolu'da Ermeni mi kaldı diyorsun. Ha, kaldı mı diye sorarsan, yok kalmadı. Sadece Hatay'da felan bir kaç ermeni köyü var sadece benim bildiğim. Özellikle bu son yazdığın tam sallama olmuş. Allah aşkına kim diyor şu bizim kölemiz felan... Ben niye duymuyorum, görmüyorum onları...

"Azerbaijanis"?

Come little bit more west.

By the way, don't you know turks have no business in Caucasia anyway and belong on the east side of the Caspian?

Turks have more business in Caucasia than you have business in Turkey.

Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations. But almost all of my posts are about *urks. I am so clever. sea inleter/koylu

[skhara]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Where is Caucasian Turks?

"Azerbaijanis"?

By the way, don't you know turks have no business in Caucasia anyway and belong on the east side of the Caspian?

[tamara48]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

The people who suports Sevr.

Some of them died on Russian side with turkish weapons; some of them died during relocation, some of them died in French uniforms, some of them died in Greek uniforms, some of them escaped with Greeks from izmir, some of them still live in Anatolia, some of them went to istanbul, some of them imigrate to other countries, some of them lives in ME, some of them became turkish, some of them converted to Turk... Where is Caucasian Turks?

no one supports Sevr in Turkey as Armenian,Circassian-according to some Turks Circassians aretheir slaves,right?-Rums,Greek,**ew....
It is nice to hear they lives in you.May be Caucasian Turks hava to have thier own diaspora!Can Republic of Turkey protect them,it can not protect its own citiciens example:Hran Dink,6-7 September events,Dersim Genocide....it is too long list.topic got out sorry for it.

[Lucin]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Well, I think I need to clarify what I was talking about. I was only addressing the Armenian's living in Turkey. I think that it is shameful that the Turkish people call the Armenians there 'invalids' and other insulting names. I was saying that if they show who they are and practice whatever bits and pieces of Armenian culture that they know (like a little bit of religion maybe), that, eventually they would be accepted as Armenians and that the Turks would soon realize that Armenians are not bad people and that their 'image' of Armenians is completely wrong. I was not saying that all Armenians should go the Turkey and live there or anything even close to that. By 'integration, and acceptance' I meant for those who live in Turkey (they can be accepted for who they are, not who they pretend to be). It was my fault for not being more clear in my statement and I apologize for it. As for an example (Siamanto), look at America in the early 1900's. There was a huge influx of southern and eastern Europeans and the Americans hated them a lot (nativists, so to speak). They tried everything to keep the immigrants out with the Emergency Quota Act and, later, the Immigration Act to keep them out as much as possible (don’t even get me started on the Asian population in America back them). But look at the immigrant populations now. The Americans do not mind that there are Russians, Italians, Greeks, Slovenians, Romanians, ect living right next door and they even like their culture and there is acceptance and mutual respect for one another. As for the whole 'we look the same' bit, I was only talking about body and facial structure. Do you think that a lot of the Turks who know these people or pass by them everyday knew that they were Armenians or had an Armenian background?

Your analogy is completely faulty. Think twice before comparing two countries in different historical, social, geopolitical contexts...

I'm sorry if you don't agree but I think that there needs to be some sort of acceptance for one another. Turks hate Amerians, Armenian's hate Turks. Where is this going to end up in the future? War? If Armenia fights with Turkey and loses then there might not be an Armenia. I love my counrty but I think that if there is no compromise then this is all going to go downhill. No one has changed my mind about anything I just have the impression that if anymore hatred is spread between our counrty and theirs will lead to even worse things for Armenia. My family there doesn't even have a toilet, a refrigerator, or enough food to eat. There are not enough jobs And the government is very corrupt. I don't want things to get any worse over there. Armenian's in Armenia already have a tough time and Turkey and Azerbedjian hating us doesn't make things any better.

Մի քիչ մակարդակ ցոյց տվէք: Ամոթ է:

[gizzy]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Am afraid I am incapable of writing of a "hateful" message that would suit as a reply to Siamanto...
But I wish, wish and wish... she learns that she has some turkish blood somehow...even a bit is enough...and then maybe she realize not everthing is measured in terms of nationality, race ,ethnicity, religion..etc... but only by the colour of one's heart...

Note: I refer to Siament in the third person as I wish to avoid any contamination with the unpleasant emotions and immoralities deeply embedded within and reaching out from her evil heart.

[sev_zeytun]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Well, I think I need to clarify what I was talking about. I was only addressing the Armenian's living in Turkey. I think that it is shameful that the Turkish people call the Armenians there 'invalids' and other insulting names. I was saying that if they show who they are and practice whatever bits and pieces of Armenian culture that they know (like a little bit of religion maybe), that, eventually they would be accepted as Armenians and that the Turks would soon realize that Armenians are not bad people and that their 'image' of Armenians is completely wrong. I was not saying that all Armenians should go the Turkey and live there or anything even close to that. By 'integration, and acceptance' I meant for those who live in Turkey (they can be accepted for who they are, not who they pretend to be). It was my fault for not being more clear in my statement and I apologize for it. As for an example (Siamanto), look at America in the early 1900's. There was a huge influx of southern and eastern Europeans and the Americans hated them a lot (nativists, so to speak). They tried everything to keep the immigrants out with the Emergency Quota Act and, later, the Immigration Act to keep them out as much as possible (don’t even get me started on the Asian population in America back them). But look at the immigrant populations now. The Americans do not mind that there are Russians, Italians, Greeks, Slovenians, Romanians, ect living right next door and they even like their culture and there is acceptance and mutual respect for one another. As for the whole 'we look the same' bit, I was only talking about body and facial structure. Do you think that a lot of the Turks who know these people or pass by them everyday knew that they were Armenians or had an Armenian background?

[Siamanto]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

In TEMPORARILY SO CALLED Turkey, Armenian, Greek or *urkish is not necessarily a genetic or racial denomination, the difference is of ethnic nature. *urks, not only have stolen the ancestral lands of the natives, they have also stolen the genetic heritage and physical appearance- as if to create the illusion of being the rightful owners of the stolen lands.

Wow! This was the strongest hatred message I have ever seen here. Wow, you really literally hate Turks.

Expression of hatred? So, according to our koylu, hatred is expressed when a thief is charged of the crime of robbery? Should we refrain from depicting a crime as such in order to respect the feelings of the criminal? How convenient....when one is the criminal.

Can it be that you perceived it as hatred because the idea that your "identity" may be nothing but web of lies and a bag of "stolen goods" gives you the chill?

I would also be scared if, each time I looked into a mirror, I saw in my face a biological mask to hide and conceal the identity of the Central Asian thief who killed and looted the owners of my house?
I would also be scared if, each time I looked at my ID Card, I saw (Latin) characters meant to hide and conceal the identity of the Central Asian thief who killed and looted the owners of the lands.

Yes, your "identity" - or heritage - is a web of lies and "stolen goods."


Note: I have chosen to auto censor the words "*urk," "*urkish" or *urkic" because it is commonly perceived as unpleasant and offending, evokes unpleasant emotions and imagery and is pregnant with immoral and evil connotations

[Selpak]

Re: Hidden "Armenians" in Turkey....

Remember the Treaty of Lausanne?

Turks were erased from Caucasian before Treaty of Lausanne.

your leaders agreed to respect the rights of Turkey's minorities.

Our leaders forced to respect the rights of Turkey's chiristian minorities. They had an agenda.

Armenian community of Turkey, now reduced to a few schools, churches and perhaps an island in Istanbul, is still there.

Armenian schools and churches percentage still more than turkish ones. I mean exp.: 1 Armenian school for 200 Armenians, 1 Turkish school for 1500 Turks

Turks in Armenia? What about Armenians in Anatolia? Thanks for preserving a few thousand in Istanbul as a showcase of your country's tolerance. Though after recent events such as Hrant Dink's assassination, and keeping in mind the fate of the historic Greek community, their days might be numbered.

Hrant Dink was from Malatya, not istanbul. He went to istanbul like you went to US. Forceing people to leave their land and killing them is not same with imigration, isn't it? Any way, there is no Turks in Armenia.

istanbul pogrom is one of the dark page of Turkish Republic. I won't support it. But try to compare it with Cyprus. Btw, how many greeks died during pogrom 5, 15, you can not say more than 15. Just check Cyprus.

what deos it mean,who acts like cancer?

The people who suports Sevr.

Tom is right,what about Anatolian Armenians?

Some of them died on Russian side with turkish weapons; some of them died during relocation, some of them died in French uniforms, some of them died in Greek uniforms, some of them escaped with Greeks from izmir, some of them still live in Anatolia, some of them went to istanbul, some of them imigrate to other countries, some of them lives in ME, some of them became turkish, some of them converted to Turk... Where is Caucasian Turks?