Georgian-South Ossetian conflict

[Cuito]

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What aggravates me, is not this "war", which in my personal opinion is justified, if you can even call it a war, more like Georgia getting what they deserve for trying to burn the candle at both ends. Its the never ending hypocritical policies of the United States and western powers. I have been a United States citizen my whole life, often blinded by the shameless patriotic backwash and almost facist rheotoric of this country. How can America invade two nations with no justification, then call the russians out on using "disappropriate" tactics against a country that openly showed aggressive actions and challenged russian terratorial integrity? How can hypocritical american politicians and unqualified self proclaimed authorities on diplomacy like Condeleenza Rice challenge someone with as much military, diplomatic and politcal experience as Putin? I am sick and tired of this new American and Western led "Humanistic" approach to war. I though war was war, thats is why we as civilized peoples try to avoid it. It is not this "khagh" the modern world is misled to believe. War by definition, is cold, barren, cruel and always ends in loss and death. I dont know how the world was dillusioned into believing that war can be carried out "proporianately or justly" but I can assure you, believing either in any circumstance, will lead to a rather rude awakening. Sorry to banter, but it just bothers me.

I supposed its America's more advanced technology that allows it to think of war in humanistic terms. During the latest Iraq war, Iraqis were out in the streets, going to markets, etc. during the US bombing. That's how much confidence they had that the US would only hit military targets. The US uses high technology to hit military assets only. As for Secretary Rice, she was appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, so she is not "self-proclaimed" at all. She is one of the most knowledgeable people in America on the former USSR.

Armenians never instigate, we get picked on, georgians play ass-buddy to muslim azeris, turks, NATO, armenia, US and not too long ago russia, and everyone kisses their ass. F Georgia. They had this comming for a long time.

Religious bigotry is uncalled for.

[yerazhishda]

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I supposed its America's more advanced technology that allows it to think of war in humanistic terms. During the latest Iraq war, Iraqis were out in the streets, going to markets, etc. during the US bombing. That's how much confidence they had that the US would only hit military targets. The US uses high technology to hit military assets only. As for Secretary Rice, she was appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, so she is not "self-proclaimed" at all. She is one of the most knowledgeable people in America on the former USSR.

Thinking of war in "humanistic terms" will lead to the downfall of any nation. Why do you think Russia is about to take control of Tblisi? Because they brought in enough force that they knew would overwhelm the enemy. That's why we must choose our wars carefully; only when they endanger our own people. You cannot fight "humanely' against an enemy that is supposed to be "inhumane". If the enemy is not "inhumane", maybe the country should not be fighting that war (Iraq).

Religious bigotry is uncalled for.

No its not.

[RSNATION]

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I supposed its America's more advanced technology that allows it to think of war in humanistic terms. During the latest Iraq war, Iraqis were out in the streets, going to markets, etc. during the US bombing. That's how much confidence they had that the US would only hit military targets. The US uses high technology to hit military assets only. As for Secretary Rice, she was appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, so she is not "self-proclaimed" at all. She is one of the most knowledgeable people in America on the former USSR. Religious bigotry is uncalled for.

You've got to be kidding me. First of all, she barely speaks Russian though she claims to be fluent. When the Russians {Putin, Lavrov, etc} meet with her, they always say something shocking to see if she can understand...she often has no idea what they're saying;its also an inside joke that Merkel and Putin have about her; Merkel is actually fluent in Russian.

Secondly, like most neo-cons, their views and impressions of Russia are very outdated and still based on the Cold War. Their bluster, miscalculations, ill-treatment and disrespect of the Russians is one reason why the Russians have displayed such force.

[yerazhishda]

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You've got to be kidding me. First of all, she barely speaks Russian though she claims to be fluent. When the Russians {Putin, Lavrov, etc} meet with her, they always say something shocking to see if she can understand...she often has no idea what they're saying;its also an inside joke that Merkel and Putin have about her; Merkel is actually fluent in Russian.

Secondly, like most neo-cons, their views and impressions of Russia are very outdated and still based on the Cold War. Their bluster, miscalculations, ill-treatment and disrespect of the Russians is one reason why the Russians have displayed such force.

1. Good, condie's an anti-Armenian, anti-Russian, pro-Joos/Israel xxxxx.

2. Correct. How do you think they've garnered support for a country most Americans have never heard of? By playing on baby-boomer fears of Russia; i.e. they still think it's the USSR.

[o0tinerz0o]

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I supposed its America's more advanced technology that allows it to think of war in humanistic terms. During the latest Iraq war, Iraqis were out in the streets, going to markets, etc. during the US bombing. That's how much confidence they had that the US would only hit military targets. The US uses high technology to hit military assets only. As for Secretary Rice, she was appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, so she is not "self-proclaimed" at all. She is one of the most knowledgeable people in America on the former USSR. Religious bigotry is uncalled for.

Advanced technology. Please. Why do you address us in this forum like we are a gathering of half-wits yearning for a drop of intellectual truth? The population would not have this belief of a "safe" war if the United States had not tailored this belief that with their "technology" somehow only the worthy would die from the bombing and bullets? As if their bullets and missiles seek only the deserving. It was this same "Advanced" technology that has led to over 100,000 iraqi civilian deaths, and a yet undetermined but unacceptable loss of American lives due to friendly fire. Confidence. HA. There is no mercy in war, there is not selective decision making, military only, no civilians. Ultimately it is the people of the nation that pay the price, not the soldiers. After Hitler, the German people payed the price, worked and sweat, to rebuild and recreate what a few destroyed. The same responsibility will fall on the American people. As far as your rhetoric regarding Rice, I thank RSNATION for addressing that issue for me. This country has as much understanding about the current geopolitical situation regarding that part of the world, as Hitler did about a bar mitzvah. Russia is no longer red, and America can no longer go pushing her ideals in peoples facing while blatantly doing the total opposite. Ultimately the choice is not Obama or McCain. It is, PROGRESS or REGRESS. The choice is OURS, Americans.

[RSNATION]

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Saakashvilli has made another foolish move. He has stated that he "refuses to surrender" when the right to do would be to surrender unconditionally and what for Russia to dictate the terms.

Now Georgia is really in for it. I look forward to see what tomorrow brings.

[yerazhishda]

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Bad news...

Russian troops do not plan to advance on Tbilisi - Moscow

source: http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28829

Moscow has denied Georgia's assertion that Russian troops are moving in on the capital Tbilisi. The allegation was made by Georgia's Ministry of Defence. Russia has also announced its troops have left the Georgian town of Senaki, having secured it from attacking South Ossetia.

Throughout Monday, Georgia repeatedly accused Russia of moving in on civilian targets, including the capital Tbilisi.

None of the reports have been substantiated and are denied by officials in Moscow.

Moreover, Russian peacekeeping forces have left Senaki, Georgia’s largest airbase, about 40km from the border with Abkhazia.

Map of the region
“Russian peacekeepers and military units attached to them have been taking action to prevent Georgia from shelling South Ossetia and Russian peacekeepers,” a spokesman for the Defence Ministry said.

Another objective of the operation was to prevent ‘a build-up of additional volunteers and reservists’ mobilised to continue military operations in the breakaway republics.

It was Russia’s first operation inside Georgian territory proper since Tbilisi began its offensive against the breakaway republic of South Ossetia last week.

Moscow has also denied reports of Russian peacekeepers entering another Georgian city, Poti.

Georgia's Prime Minister has confirmed that no civilians were harmed in Russia's movements.

Meanwhile, the new statement of the Georgian government demands the international community to interfere and save the country.

And Georgia's President, Mikhail Saakashvili, said Georgia is now battling for its independence.

Talking to Georgia's Security Council he described the situation in the country as "very difficult" and said that Russian troops have reached the road connecting the eastern and western parts of Georgia.

U.S. starts evacuating embassy staff from Tbilisi

Meanwhile, the U.S. has begun evacuating the families of its diplomats from Georgia. They are being sent to Armenia as a precaution, according to the U.S. Embassy in the Armenian capital Yerevan.

U.S. ambassador John Tefft and his team of diplomats will continue their work in Tbilisi.

[o0tinerz0o]

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That is sad news indeed but one can still hope

[yerazhishda]

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That is sad news indeed but one can still hope

I'm hoping it's some sort of ploy to confuse the Georgians - you know how things like this can "change".

[skhara]

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I didn't think Russian's would advance on Tbilisi.