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Last edited by Armanen; 08-24-2008, 10:23 AM.For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Originally posted by Armanen View Post
Good articles...here's some key points I got out of them.
- As evidenced by the SO war, there is no military solution to bring back "beakaway republics" into line.
- One hopes that Azerbaijan would realize this, but due to their belligerence and thirst for revenge, there is a strong possibility that they might attack Armenia and NKR anyway, creating much destruction, death and human misery.
- The Armenian government is not doing nearly enough on the civil, military and foreign affairs fronts to dissuade Azerbaijan from acting irrationally.Comment
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Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
That's it in a nutshell. Other than the obvious task of keeping our military one or two steps ahead of azerbaijans which we seem to be doing, we should also really look into training thousands of able bodied men for the reserves, because we will need them. Also, establishing bomb shelters, because I wouldn't put it past the azeris to target Yerevan, especially Kentron.For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Thought this was a cool map
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Too bad they didn't mark JavakhkComment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Russia's Parliament demands President Medvedev to recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia's independence
de A.C. HotNews.ro
Luni, 25 august 2008, 16:41 English | Regional Europe
Russia's Parliament decided to recognize the independence of the two Georgian separatist regions, Abkhazia and South Ossetia, international newspapers inform. However, the Parliament's decision has no judicial power: officially, it is the state's Foreign Affairs ministry that needs to recognize the two region's independence.
Russian deputy Konstantin Zatulin, director of the CSI countries' institute declared that the proposal will most surely be approved, Ria-Novosti reads. The Parliament's response comes after on Thursday, both Abkhazia and South Ossetia demanded Russia to recognize their independence.
According to a survey almost half of the Russian population believes that South Ossetia should now belong to Russia, Press TV informs.
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Azerbaijani MPs Condemn Russian State Duma’s Recognition of Independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia
25.08.08 18:18
Azerbaijan, Baku, 25 August / Trend News corr. I.Alizade / The Azerbaijani MPs believe that the Russian State Duma violates the international law through recognition of independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which are the Georgian territories. “Decision of the Russian State Duma and Council of Federation creates dangerous negative precedent for the world,” MP Aydin Mirzazade, an Azerbaijani parliamentary representative to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe (PACE) and a member of the ruling New Azerbaijan Party (NAP), told Trend News on 25 August.
South Ossetia and Abkhazia Autonomous republics of Georgia declared their independence at the beginning of 1990 separating from Tbilisi. However, the international community did not recognize their independence. On 25 August, the Russian State Duma and the Council of Federation made a decision to recognize independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Both two houses of the Parliament applied to President Dmitriy Medvedev officially to recognize independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Mirzazade believes that there was no need for Russia, who is a member of the United Nations (UN) Security Council, to make such a decision.
“This decision should be failure and directed against Russia. Thus, there were nations within Russia to declare their independencies in different times,” the MP said.
According to Mirzazade, examination of this issue at the parliament show that Moscow does not insist on independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Mirzazade said that the decision demonstrates Russia’s position to the whole world and exerts pressure on the international community. “I hope that the Russian Government will function within the framework of the international law and will maintain its authority as the leading country of the world.”
According to Rabiyyat Aslanova, the chairman of the Standing Parliamentary Commission on Human Rights, this decision contradicts, which is the basic principle of the international law regarding the recognition and protection of territorial integrity
“Russia has always supported and protected this principle. Russia showed it during the Chechen war. However, at present Moscow does not respect this principle,” the chairman of the commission said.
According to Aslanova, the decision of the State Duma and the Council of Federation is a result of negative precedent, which appeared after the decision to recognize independence of Kosovo.
The decision of the Russian Parliament contradicts the international law norms, MP Asim Mollazade, the chairman of the opposition Democratic Reforms Party, said.
“Russia’s decision does not stabilize situation in South Caucasus region. The decision will aggravate the complex situation in the region,” Mollazade said.
According to Mollazade, the decision may be failure. The MP said that decision of any country, which supports separatism, may be directed against itself.
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The U.S. hands over military secrets to Moscow
Russia's military is surprised by the Georgian army's negligence
Nikolay Barsegov, Author's photo. — 21.08.2008
The U.S. equipped the Georgian army with these Hummers.
An elite group of Georgian special forces drove into the "Russian-occupied" Poti on 5 U.S. military Hummers this week. The vehicles were carrying explosives, firearms and top-secret satellite technology — the pride of NATO generals.
The Russian military learned the special forces were approaching the city long before their arrival. Their movement was detected by satellite and reports had been received from local Georgians angered by Saakashvili's recent military actions.
According to Russian officials, they didn't expect that a key unit of Georgian intelligence trained by top NATO specialists would drive directly into their hands. The Georgian officers were overtaken without causalities.
"We knew there was a lot of negligence going on in the Georgian army, but not to this degree," one well-known, highly-positioned Russian general told me, who didn't want to reveal he is currently stationed in Georgia.
There were also three Arabs among the 20-odd Georgians. The Russian military is interrogating the officers who say they didn't intend to blow anything up. All the artillery in the vehicle was there by chance, they say. They forgot to unload the Hummers before departing. They had arrived together in such a large number to carefully study the situation in the port city.
It's likely NATO will have to re-encode their entire military and space system after the operation, which will be costly. This will certainly give them something to think about: Are closer military relations with Georgia and Ukraine really worth the hassle?
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Javakhk will be marked soon enough...here's why:Originally posted by Illuminator View Post
- Ethnic Georgians make up less than 48% of the Georgia's population (even less than that, as many families - especially Armenian families - names were forcibly Georgianized a few generations ago).
- Georgia is a multi-ethnic State (there are at least 6 different and distinct ethnic groups that make up Georgia).
- The population of Javakhk is 200-250 thousand, comprising a vast majority of Armenians (only 5 families of Georgian decent live in Javakhk)
- Officially, the amount of Armenians living in Tbilisi is 60 thousand. However, it is more like 200 thousand since there are many Armenians with Georgianized names who keep their "Armenianess" low profile due to intimidation.
- Javakhk's geography is easily defendable against military aggression because it is populated with Armenians; this population is contiguous from the border of Armenia (unlike Artsakh, where Kurd dominated Lachin separated Armenians); and there are only a few key geographical areas that, once sealed and defended, will secure Javakhk.
- Georgia's military is non-existent today.
- The few Meshenki Turks who recently "repatriated" to Javakhk have high-tailed it out of the area and won't be allowed back.
- The West's influence in the region is waning.
With all that said, there is no need to be pessimistic about the future autonomy of Javakhk.
Also, if Georgia wants to survive as a viable state, it will have to accept reality and set up a federated Georgia where all ethnicities control their autonomous areas and share power within a federal state, working out of Tbilisi. The only other option is that all current autonomous republics and future autonomous republics will gain their outright independence, leaving a Republic of Georgia a much smaller and weaker state.
Moreover, it will be better for the ROA to have an autonomous Armenian republic within a federated Georgia, as opposed to outright independence because Armenians will then be able to share in the state's decision making which has access to the outside world via the Black sea.
...give it time for the political momentum to kick in...Javakhk will free itself (essentially peacefully) from Georgian subjugation and gain its autonomy or outright independence.Last edited by crusader1492; 08-25-2008, 08:07 AM.Comment
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Re: Georgian-South Ossetian conflict
Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
Why are we losing a good deal of momentum? This would've been a good timing for Javakhk's autonomy.
The same applied with Naxichevan. We could've gone into war against the azeris when their military were demolishing at leat 1,500 xachkars on broad daylight. Surely that would've worked out alright within the international law's framework. We had something to say and do then and we should have done it.Comment
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