Muslims occupy Europe

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai

Europe did what it could to help the Palestinians and it will never get any thanks for the billions in humanitarian and development aid that it gave to Palestine. The Gulf Arabs have 3 trillion in sovereign wealth funds. Let them do something to help there own people for once.

Retro, precisely. The oil rich arabs need to deal with this and no-one else.
They should be ashamed that the biggest champion of palestinians is the enlightened (untouched by western values) islamic republic of women-stoners.
The arab nations, I'm convinced, would wish nothing more than the disappearance of the palestinians

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai maybe one day you will understand that nothing justifies racism and that it is anything but a normal human trait. Those exposed to it are effected by it like the xxxs who saw their own genocide and now justify doing the same to the palastinians who had nothing to do with the xxxish genocide. The same thing can be said about many of the Armenians who would like nothing better then to see all turks die a horrible death. There are many ways to justify the evile men do to one another but it takes a real man to stand up for what is right especialy when most others are preaching what is wrong.
Eddo-the similarities between the Armenian situation and the xxxs are there but so are there similarities between our situation and the palastinians. You have to remember that the xxxs were not living on their own lands and although they did lose their properties they did not lose their homeland during their genocide but the armenians and palastinians did lose much of theirs. To be completly honest the xxxs are more like the palastinians then us because they are both semitic people but that doesnt really matter much anyways. The bottom line is that palastinians, xxxs and armenians are all human beings and non of them should should be subjected to such horrible situations regardless of their race or religion. Today it is the palastinians who are being subjected to the most degrading and inhumane circumstances and the right thing to do would be to tell them we understand what you are going through and will help anyway we can. If you do not offer support to your fellow man during his time of need then what right do you have to complain that you had no support when it was your time of need? For those who want to point out how the whole world stood by while we armenians were being killed just ask yourselves what is it eaxactly that you are now doing for the palastinians?

Haykakan,
maybe one day you'll see and experience the world as it really is.
Instead of considering similarities between us and palestinians, look at differences: World terrorism? Large and rich support? The oppressor nation under real threat from neighbours. Centuries of oppression, rape and murder not a few decades.
I channel my sympathy, empathy, succour and support both moral and financial, to where it means most to me..........if I could afford more support I would simply channel more support to home. arabs for arabs, apples for apples, hay for hay.

[Eddo211]

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Eddo-the similarities between the Armenian situation and the xxxs are there but so are there similarities between our situation and the palastinians. You have to remember that the xxxs were not living on their own lands and although they did lose their properties they did not lose their homeland during their genocide but the armenians and palastinians did lose much of theirs. To be completly honest the xxxs are more like the palastinians then us because they are both semitic people but that doesnt really matter much anyways. The bottom line is that palastinians, xxxs and armenians are all human beings and non of them should should be subjected to such horrible situations regardless of their race or religion. Today it is the palastinians who are being subjected to the most degrading and inhumane circumstances and the right thing to do would be to tell them we understand what you are going through and will help anyway we can.

The reality of the situation is that not even their Arab brothers care for the Palestinian plight and they use them as cannon fodder against Israel, which is even worst.
Also Pals are very pro Turkish especially now with Erdogan in power. They actually believe that Turkey will save them compared to their dysfunctional Arab brethren. They all would love nothing more but to kill every Israeli and they show their blind hate openly and at every chance they get. I sympathize with their situation but I do not support them or the Israelis for that matter. In fact I am very critical of Israeli policies.

If you do not offer support to your fellow man during his time of need then what right do you have to complain that you had no support when it was your time of need? For those who want to point out how the whole world stood by while we armenians were being killed just ask yourselves what is it eaxactly that you are now doing for the palastinians?

Haykakan, buddy, it would be better for you to understand this and drill it in permanently that nobody gives a crap about you, me, and what will happen to Armenians except us. If you even think that someone will come to our hour of need just to be good humans then you are in for a big surprise. If you are going to do a good deed you cannot expect others to return the favor, which is a fallacy, you do it for yourself more than anything else.

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Kind of like an unhallowed faith in government? There is no difference. "Islam cannot be destroyed" because it is an idea. Ideas are not destroyed because they are intangible. It's akin to declaring war on "terror" which is a tactic.

Islam has alot of rigid and narrow teachings, and even more rigid and conservative followers. While Christianity let go of its hang ups, Islam has not undergone any such revitalization of its civilization in terms of its thought - which is still heavily steeped in ancient Islamic teachings and mysticism.

However, it also remains a fact of life ("ground facts" as you call it) that Islam has been the least bloodiest of the Abrahamic religions - with Christianity taking a huge slice of the chunk.

What you call "militant Islam" is in part due to Western creations. Thus, if you care not to expand "militant Islam" then....

Agreed, "War on Terror" is a tactic but you must know that Muslims themselves acknowledge "Militant Islam" or "Radical Islam" (Wahabies) and they talk about it all the time openly, they do not deny it as a fact. Many Muslims try not to associate themselves with this extreme wing of Islam and Iranian Shiites consider them enemy but it is there and they are the loudest voice of Islam.

perhaps you also favor supporting Western man's hegemonic influence across the rest of the world

By default maybe…..Ideology, no.

[Anonymouse]

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Pat Buchanan Is Wrong About Islam
by Fred Reed

Much hoorah, there is, over the mosque that may or may not be built in New York. I don’t give a tinker’s damn (whatever precisely that may be; I presume that tinkers’ oaths were thought more efficacious than others) whether they build it or not. The matter does however put to rest for me any hope of rationality in human affairs. This, I grant, could be accomplished with a very small bed.

At this writing, the government’s war for oil and AIPAC has more or less solidly metamorphosed, among the rubes at least, into a war against Islam. Men of thunder and portent peddle the notion like starving encyclopedia salesmen. No less a political howitzer than Pat Buchanan says that the mosque should not be built, because of the religious motivation of the Saudis who attacked the towers. His view has been eagerly received by the populace. Now it seems that yahoos at some fourth-grade church in Florida plan to burn a Koran to commemorate 9/11.

Splendid, this. We are telling 1.3 billion Moslems that America is not fighting Al Qaeda, or the Taliban, or Terror. No. It is Islam itself we hate. How very wise. This will make it so much easier to win hearts and minds in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Those security forces that GIs are supposed to be training – the ones with the AKs – they will know that their trainers are their enemies. Curiously, this is just what bin Laden tells them.

Glands again trump minds, if any. Consider that ten minutes before the first tower got hit in New York, the thought had occurred to practically no one in America that Islam constituted a mortal threat to all that we hold holy, chiefly chain restaurants and iPods. But Islam afterwards offered to fill this void that the Russians had wimped out on. For a brief period after the implosion of the Soviet Union, Americans had no threat to worry about. They found it deeply puzzling. Weren’t we supposed to be afraid of something? It didn’t feel right.

Then came New York, and suddenly we saw it: The Clash of Civilizations. Islam was out to get us. Why hadn’t we noticed? A roaring hatred for Moslems sprang up from people who had never met a Moslem, who had a garden slug’s grasp of history. A deep satisfaction came over the land. We had been made whole again.

Battling Mohammedans quickly became an industry. The government at first tried to peddle Terrorism as the enemy, not Islam, but it didn’t stick. Something more robustly flackable was wanted.

I find Buchanan, of the American Conservative, proclaiming that Islam is a Culture of Jihad, and most militant. No doubt. Very. Would it be poltroonish of me to note that just now Christian armies are busily annexing and wrecking Afghanistan and Iraq, having recently bombed Somalia? That they use robotic aircraft to murder Yemenis, that they hunt down Moslems in the Philippines (where after 1898 Americans engaged in atrocities that would win the admiration of the Japanese), encourage Israel to ruin Lebanon and to run a concentration camp for Moslems in Gaza, enthusiastically murder Pakistanis from the sky, and threaten Syria and Iran?

Those Moslems. Militant, they are. The bastards.

The Islamic countries listed above are only those currently attacked by America. Let us look at the matter in another way. I append here a list of all Christian countries conquered by militant Moslems since 1529:

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Next, a partial list of Moslem countries conquered by Christians: Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestine, Jordan, Iraq (the first time), Iraq (again), Iran, Pakistan, East Pakistan, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, Oman, Abu Dhabi, Dubai….

This list does not include such minor Christian conquests as North, South, and Central America, India, China, Southeast Asia, black Africa, and such. Unconscionable, Moslem aggressiveness is.

Buchanan regards the events of 9/11 as no end grievous. So do I. Yet perhaps people who live in glass pots and kettles shouldn’t call names. The UN’s figures give 600,000 Iraqi children dead because of the American embargo, which didn’t allow, for example, chlorine to sterilize water. This is equivalent to 6.4 million dead children in the United States. Hmmm: If Moslems had killed this trifling number of our sprats, might we wax grumpish?

Yes, I know, the UN is a commie Marxist socialist anti-American conspiracy, and not as trustworthy as the American propaganda apparatus. All right. Let’s assume that the UN lied by a factor of ten, and thus only 60,000 Iraqi children died thanks to us. Thus, if 3,000 Americans died in New York, we owe the Moslems some 57,000. No?

If I may sally briefly into unloved seriousness: What puzzles me, as one who has lived extensively abroad, is how little Americans are able to see things through the eyes of others, how little empathy they have (this latter defect being characteristic of both psychopaths and narcissists).

Consider a headline from Antiwar.com of a sort appearing almost daily: “US Drone Strike Destroys House Full of Children in Pakistan.”

Apparently no one in the Great Rubber Room north of Mexico has an inkling why this might arouse hatred in Pakistanis. Can you imagine the fury that would ensue if a Moslem blew up a house full of American kids in, say, Queens? But when we kill their kids, no one cares. “Yeah, well. Tough. Giv’em a few dollars.” Buncha dirty raghead larvae. No better than xxxxroaches, right?

Now, we’re going to have a pop quiz. Take out a sheet of paper. Question: Can you think of any reason why Moslems might be unhappy with America?

Right! They hate our freedoms.

In which case they daily have less to hate us for.

It doesn’t pay to underestimate an enemy, I hear. All right: Moslems are so very dangerous not just because of their many extremist groups – Salamists, Al Sushis, the Falafel, and the Wasabi for example – but because of their immense industrial strength, which doesn’t exist. With the possible exception of Turkey, not one Islamic nation is in the First World. I picture bearded, turbaned warriors wading ashore on aquatic camels, causing no end of panic in Atlantic City. I mean, what do camels eat?

The horror.

Herewith a searing insight for the ever-puzzled State Department: Actions have consequences. If you support Batista, you will engender Fidel. If you support the Shah, you will get Khomeini. If you attack Moslems, you will get bin Laden. It might be better to stay home and read a book.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed185.html

[retro]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Hrai

The Gulf Arabs are hypocrites, who go to places like Morocco to buy wifes and screw around. Who think that they are better than every one else and that money can buy them anything. The reality is that the Palestinians don't have a leg to stand upon and other than offering moral support, Armenians are in no position to aid the Palestinians, at least directly.

The key for Armenia is to fold in on it's self, unmonopolize parts of it's economy and strengthen it's judiciary. Armenia lacks the the support industry for manufacturing. However it could certainly do well in service or research based fields. The Armenia state should also really lobby the EU for agricultural development grants and offer European agricultural producers tax incentives and cheap land leases etc.

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

http://www.lewrockwell.com/reed/reed185.html

Most Americans are very mad about this Koran burning. There has been talk of rescuing the book from these un-American bastards who will cause more death and violence in ME by this act against their own soldiers and minority Christians who live in those lands (yes, Armenians too). General Patraeus has said that this act must not be done and it will lead to American deaths in ME. They don’t seem to understand that burning the Koran is not the same reaction as burning the Bible by Muslims. You can burn all the Bibles you want and no one will be that angry compared to say Muslims who see their book burned by Christians. I don’t consider these people Americans but they are people who want to create more hate on Muslims in USA.

Anonymouse, did you know that the property in NY that the Muslims are planning to build a Mosque on was purchased from J.ews for 3 times the original price?
One might say that if the Juice has no problem with it why do American Christians have a problem..........but I say this will work to the advantage of the Juice if hatred against Muslims is increased in US and this is why they sold it to them knowing this will happen. Of course I am speculating but we never know.

Right now Israel knows that US will not attack Iran nuclear facilities and they know they themselves will never succeed doing it alone and if they try then Iran will teach them a lesson they will never forget.

[hrai]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Most Americans are very mad about this Koran burning. There has been talk of rescuing the book from these un-American bastards who will cause more death and violence in ME by this act against their own soldiers and minority Christians who live in those lands (yes, Armenians too). General Patraeus has said that this act must not be done and it will lead to American deaths in ME. They don’t seem to understand that burning the Koran is not the same reaction as burning the Bible by Muslims. You can burn all the Bibles you want and no one will be that angry compared to say Muslims who see their book burned by Christians. I don’t consider these people Americans but they are people who want to create more hate on Muslims in USA.

Anonymouse, did you know that the property in NY that the Muslims are planning to build a Mosque on was purchased from J.ews for 3 times the original price?
One might say that if the Juice has no problem with it why do American Christians have a problem..........but I say this will work to the advantage of the Juice if hatred against Muslims is increased in US and this is why they sold it to them knowing this will happen. Of course I am speculating but we never know.

Right now Israel knows that US will not attack Iran nuclear facilities and they know they themselves will never succeed doing it alone and if they try then Iran will teach them a lesson they will never forget.

Eddo,
If most Americans are mad about this red-neck white-collar and his plans to burn a book sacred to some, then they're right. I think the world is stunned by this guy and perhaps stunned by the reaction around the globe.
Already churches have been attacked in Iraq which really gives cause for concern.
One point I would make though is how many korans have been burnt in the suicide bombings of mosques carried out by muslims on fellow muslims?
If there are indeed moderate muslims in the majority they will always be led by the militant and sizeable minority. To move forward as a religion professing love & peace, islam needs a central administration and theological council. Currently individual imams set up their mosques and schools when and where they wish and teach their version of the koran.
Actually quite similar to the mess of minority fundamentalist and reactionary churches which apparently thrive in the US's bible belt.

[gegev]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

Why burning bible doesn’t cause any violent reaction, but the Koran does.

Why Muslims are that intolerant compared with all other religions?

Why only they have the right to be intolerant?

Who gave the exclusive right to Islam?

Can you name any other terror spreading religion that does the same?

Doesn’t it come from the fact that most of Islam proponents, as opposed to other religions, are illiterate/ignorant people?

Doesn’t the "moderate"/"Modern" Islam threaten people who want to burn Koran?

And doesn’t that ignorance/brutality come from the core of the religion?

Predominantly Christian EU countries currently are on right direction, now they put a ban on the women Islamic clothing, which is one of the vital visible/distinguishing attributes of their religion. And the overall ban is inevitable; although EU countries are afraid of Muslims, but they can’t ovoid it; if they don’t want to lose completely their identity.

EU politicians are not talking much, but doing big steps on eradicating "radical" Islam. And qualifying whether they are radical or moderate is under their jurisdiction. But they do know that there is no big difference between them!!!!!!

[Eddo211]

Re: Muslims occupy Europe

hrai: You are right, I have heard Muslims discuss the same problems you brought up and it really is hopeless......the good Muslims are not behind the wheels.

Obama's view:

If a temple okay at ground zero, why not mosque: Obama
September 11th, 2010

The US President, Mr Barack Obama, on Friday again backed controversial plans to build an Islamic centre near the site of 9/11 attacks in New York reminding critics that the US was at war against terrorism not Islam.

"All men and women are created equal, they have certain inalienable rights, and one of those is to practice their religion freely," he said at a White House press conference.

"You can build a church on a site, you can build a synagogue on a site, if you could build a Hindu temple on a site, you should be able to build a mosque."

Mr Obama's comments came amidst a controversy about a Florida pastor's plans to burn the Quran on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks unless the proposed Islamic centre was moved away from ground zero in exchange for the burning being called off.

Mr Obama said he recognised the sensitivity in the area because of the 9/11 attacks and acknowledges that family members are continuing to experience pain and anguish over their losses.

However, he urged people to remember who their real enemies are. "We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against terrorist organizations that have distorted Islam or falsely used the banner of Islam," Mr Obama said.

"If we're going to deal with the problems ... (of) reducing the terrorist threat, we need all the allies we can get."

Mr Obama pressed that in fact, the anti-Islam sentiment and a war between the West and Islam is exactly what terrorist organisations are hoping for.

"Al Qaeda, that's what they've been banking on," Obama said. "The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peace-loving - are interested in the same things that you and I are interested in."

Mr Obama stressed it is important that Americans do not believe the entire religion of Islam is offensive.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/inter...sque-obama-934