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Free Palestine - The Struggle

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  • #21
    Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

    Originally posted by Mos View Post
    It's already, de-facto, a two state entity, all Palestine needs is official recognition, which it will get after a peace deal. Many people on both sides agree to the 2 state solution; the whole peace negotiations are based on the 2 state solution. The real issue at hand is the status of Jerusalem and the new settlements.

    So you think they rule the region? Remember Israel is a tiny territory surrounded by much bigger Arab countries; in no way does it rule the area, it's just powerful military and no arab nation has been able to do anything about it. L
    First of all, there is no Arab nation. They are merely states that were created by western powers consisting of Arab inhabitants. They don't serve their own interest, nor the interest of the Arab people. So defining them as Arab nations is inaccurate.

    Secondly, Israel will never allow a second state that is at peace with Israel because that will inhibit its ability to justify military and territorial expansion. Much like how America creates enemies to justify military invasions, Israel needs enemies to justify its own existence. Also, that would mean there would be an entirely Palestinian/Arab state and Israel would be at odds with dealing with the fallout of the over million Arabs living inside Israeli borders. They would risk losing their underclass.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X


    • #22
      Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

      The title of the article is badly worded. This does not mean Abbas is claiming the Armenian quarter is actually a Muslim quarter. Israel and Palestine wanna divide up Jerusalem for a future settlement (well, only the Palis wanna divide it lol) and he is claiming the Armenian quarter falls within Palestine and not Israel.
      Abbas says Jerusalem Armenian Quarter Belongs to Palestinians

      Mahmoud Abbas

      From the Jerusalem Post

      The Palestinian Authority considers the Armenian Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem an integral part of east Jerusalem and won’t give up its claim to it, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday.

      Abbas’s remark came during a meeting in his office in Ramallah with leaders of various Christian communities in Jerusalem and the West Bank.

      Documents published by Al- Jazeera last month showed that PA negotiators had offered to relinquish any claim to the xxxish and Armenian Quarters in the Old City.

      “The Palestinian leadership sticks to its position that considers the Armenian Quarter an integral part of east Jerusalem, the capital of the independent Palestinian state,” Abbas told the Christian leaders.

      Abbas said that the PA was committed to supporting all Palestinian Christian communities and “enhancing their role in Palestinian society.” He added that the PA, together with some “friendly countries,” had endorsed a plan to renovate the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

      The PA has established a special fund for renovating the church, Abbas disclosed.

      He said his government was also prepared to support all projects that preserve the Christian presence in the Palestinian territories. In order to support local products, Abbas added, he had instructed the PA government to ban the import of items that are often bought by Christian pilgrims.

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      • #23
        Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

        Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
        Israel will never allow a second state that is at peace with Israel because that will inhibit its ability to justify military and territorial expansion. Much like how America creates enemies to justify military invasions, Israel needs enemies to justify its own existence. Also, that would mean there would be an entirely Palestinian/Arab state and Israel would be at odds with dealing with the fallout of the over million Arabs living inside Israeli borders. They would risk losing their underclass.
        There is an ethos that needs to be changed - it has affected a lot of people, IMO: The bad news is that it doesn't seem near.

        The Armenian Genocide Was Assisted By Zionist xxxs & Covered-Up By Major xxxish Groups

        By: SUREN MKRTCHYAN, Assistant Prof. of Armenian History.

        The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն; Turkish: Ermeni Soykırımı and Ermeni Kıyımı)—also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, by Armenians, as the Great Crime (Մեծ Եղեռն) refers to the deliberate and systematic destruction of the Armenian population of the Ottoman Empire during and just after World War I.

        The Ottoman Empire (modern-day Turkey) has had a long history of Crypto-xxxs as its ruling elite, and traditionally maintained strong ties with Zionists, and later, the State of Israel. Crypto-xxxs, Zionist-xxxs, and Turkish-xxxs have had a strong hand in enabling and covering-up the Armenian Genocide. Crypto-Judaism is simply the secret adherence to Judaism while publicly professing to be of another faith – in this case xxxs posed as Muslims to convince the Ottoman Turks to follow through with the genocide of Armenian and the theft of their land – the parallels between the crimes against Armenians and the plight of the Palestinians is eerily similar.

        The Armenian Genocide Was Masterminded by Zionist Crypto-xxxs.

        Firstly, it is important to understand who the background-players and the animators of the Armenian Genocide were. To do this, a few examples of Crypto-xxxs are necessary to consider.

        1. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk founder of the modern Turkish State.

        The Literary Digest, an American news journal published in October 14, 1922, at page 50, referred to Atatürk as, “a Spanish xxx by ancestry” who had been “trained in a German war college.” The Article further mentions that Atatürk personally “spoke eloquently of his Spanish-xxxish ancestry.” Hillel Halkin in an investigative article further describes that the Office of the President of Israel described Atatürk as a Zionist-xxx, and goes on to state that “the ‘Father of the Turks’ was a crypto-xxx who passed on his anti-Muslim sentiments to his son.” Other historians, and first-hand accounts, have described that Atatürk recited xxxish prayers in fluent Hebrew. For instance, Atatürk is quoted by Itamar Ben-Avi as stating that ‘Atatürk was raised xxxish and reading the Bible in Hebrew upon his father bringing him to a Karaite (xxxish) teacher at a young age.’

        2. The “Young (xxxish) Turks.”

        In October 1843, twelve European-xxxish immigrants met on New York’s Lower East Side to help others like themselves. Pooling their ideas and their funds, they founded what would become the most enduring organization for the Zionist identity in the United States. Its name—B’nai B’rith, “Children of the Covenant” (or ‘Blood of the Chosen’). The founder of the Young Turks was a xxxish-Italian B’nai B’rith official named Emmanuel Carasso. Carasso set up the Young Turk society in the 1890s in Salonika, then part of Turkey, and now part of Greece. Carasso was also the grand master of an Italian masonic lodge there, called “Macedonia Resurrected.” The lodge was the headquarters of the Young Turks, and all the top Young Turk leadership were members.

        Another important area was the press. While in power, the Young Turks ran several newspapers, including The Young Turk, whose editor was none other than the Russian Zionist leader Vladimir Jabotinsky. Jabotinsky had been educated as a young man in Italy. He later described Mazzini’s ideas as the basis for the Zionist movement. Jabotinsky arrived in Turkey shortly after the Young Turks seized power, to take over the paper. The paper was owned by a member of the Turkish cabinet, but it was funded by the Russian Zionist federation, and managed by B’nai B’rith. The editorial policy of the paper was overseen by a Dutch Zionist named Jacob Kann, who was the personal banker of the king and queen of the Netherlands. Jabotinsky later created the most anti-Palestinian of all the Zionist organizations, the terror group called the Irgun. His followers in Israel today are the ones most violently opposed to the peace accords.

        Zadeh Rifat, in 1929 published that the, “Armenian genocide was decided in August 1910 and October 1911, by a Young Turk committee composed entirely of displaced Balkan-xxxs,” which included Talaat, Enver, Behaeddin Shakir, Jemal, and Nizam who posed as Muslims. The ‘Young Turks’ met in the Rothschild-funded Grand Orient Lodge (Hotel of Salonika). It is the Rothschild fortune that has funded a great portion of the State of Israel.

        3. Motives: Hatred of Christianity & Eliminate Competition.

        It appears that xxxs in Turkey had several motives for enabling crimes against Armenians, including: The Young Turks wanted eliminate their competition – Armenians were very successful business people in the region and the Young Turks wanted their wealth. The second reason appears to have been religiously bred hatred against Armenians, who are primarily Christians. For example, according to Holocaust Dr. Israel Shahak, in his book xxxish History, xxxish Religion, the practice of spitting on Christians (including Armenians) has ancient xxxish roots and is still commonplace in Israel:

        “Dishonoring Christian religious symbols is an old religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross, and especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a xxx passes a church, have been obligatory from around AD 200 for pious xxxs. In the past … the pious xxxs were commanded by their rabbis either to spit so that the reason for doing so would be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually on the cross or openly before the church. The increasing strength of the xxxish state has caused these customs to become more open again but there should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for converts from Christianity to Judaism, organized in Kibbutz Sa’ad and financed by the Israeli government, is a an act of traditional xxxish piety.”

        4. The xxxish cover-up of the Armenian Genocide has continued from World War I to the present.

        Following World War I, and up to the present date, it is common knowledge that xxxs have openly been on the forefront of forming and sponsoring groups to censor recognition of the Armenian Genocide. For example, The Turkish Hürriyet Daily News on Tuesday, March 2, 2010 reported that Turkey’s officials met with “the representatives of almost all xxxish lobbies and organizations in Washington” in the Turkish Embassy in Washington, D.C. According to the same sources, Turkey met with the representatives of “eight or 10 xxxish organizations,” including the Anti-Defamation League, or ADL; American xxxish Community, or AJC; and B’nai B’rith International. They stated the meetings focused on the Armenian genocide bill, that sough official recognition of the crimes. A day after these meetings, the xxxish Institute for National Security Affairs, or JINSA, a nonprofit and nonpartisan organization that addresses the security requirements of both the U.S. and Israel, released a report titled, “The Armenian Resolution Should be Opposed and Defeated.” This has been the pattern since World War I.

        5. During the war between Azerbaijan and Armenia, Israel continued to fund the Azerbaijani-Turks in their information war and provided Armenia’s enemies with modern military weaponry while Armenia fought for its survival.

        While major xxxish groups and lobbies have systematically blocked recognition of the Armenian Genocide — including the involvement of the founders of the State of Israel in the Great Crime — during the recent war between the Azerbaijani Turks and Armenia, Israel funded a disinformation campaign against Armenians and supplied its enemies with modern Israeli weapons.

        To all, except the most self-hating Armenian, it is clear that Israel has more than one way of spitting at Christian Armenians. Further insult came a few years ago when Israel erected a statue to Atatürk – a man that was described at the ceremony as ‘a native son.’


        • #24
          Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

          Arab League meeting urged over Gaza

          Looks like Israel is about to attempt another round of ethnic cleansing.

          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X


          • #25
            Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

            Armenian ARFD delegation meets members of Palestinian Fatah party

            May 03, 2011 | 16:35

            The delegation of Armenian Revolutionary Federation Dashnakstutyun (ARF-D) Bureau, led by Hakob Ter-Khachatryan met with the delegation of Palestinian Fatah political party Nabil Shaath in Ramalla.

            The sides discussed Armenian-Palestinian relations, international problems, as well as issues of common interest, the ARFD press service informed Armenian

            Ter-Khachatryan thanked Shaath for his attitude towards Armenia and Armenian people.

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            • #26
              Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

              Fatah and Hamas united.... what now Israel?

              Egypt urges US to back Palestinian state declaration

              The Egyptian Foreign Minister Nabil al-Araby has urged the United States to support the declaration of an independent Palestinian state.

              The call comes after the reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah brokered last week by Egypt.

              Both Israel and the US have said they will not deal with Hamas, and have until now opposed a unilateral declaration of Palestinian statehood.

              The statement marks yet another big shift in Egypt's foreign policy.

              The new call marks a move away from Egypt's past compliance with the United States and Israel, which have strongly opposed the Palestinian authority's campaign to win backing for a unilateral declaration of statehood.

              Mr Araby says Egypt now fully supports the Palestinian plan, and has urged the US to do the same.

              He said the US should view a re-united Palestinian movement, including Hamas, as a positive development, and that it should persuade Israel to negotiate with it.

              Both Israel and the US have insisted they will not deal with any side that includes Hamas, which they regard as a terrorist group.

              Under President Hosni Mubarak Egypt used to take the same view, but the new government has moved quickly to distance itself from Israel, helping broker the Palestinian reconciliation deal last week.
              Financial needs

              This policy change is popular in Egypt, but it is not without risks.

              It will be very unpopular in the US Congress, where the substantial annual aid package to Egypt must be approved.

              Egypt is also seeking additional financial support from western and Gulf states, to help cover the immense cost to its economy of this year's upheavals.

              It must weigh up the benefits of a more populist foreign policy against those very real and immediate needs.

              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X


              • #27
                Nakba Day Turns Violent

                Israeli troops clashed with Arab protesters along three hostile borders on Sunday, leaving as many as 12 people dead and dozens wounded in an unprecedented wave of violence marking the anniversary of the displacement of Palestinians surrounding Israel's establishment in 1948.

                In the most serious incident, the Israeli military said thousands of protesters approached Syria's border with the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights. The military said hundreds of people burst through the border, and soldiers opened fire to stop them. Dozens were wounded and six were reported killed.

                As Israel's prime minister gathered his top advisers for an emergency meeting, officials accused Syria of fomenting the violence in an attempt to divert attention from the deadly crackdown on weeks of protests against the rule of President Bashar Assad.

                Israel accuses Syria of inciting violence

                "The Syrian regime is intentionally attempting to divert international attention away from the brutal crackdown of their own citizens to incite against Israel," said Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli military spokeswoman.

                Deadly clashes also took place along Israel's nearby northern border with Lebanon, as well as in the Gaza Strip, near Israel's southern border.

                The unrest came as the Palestinians marked the "nakba," or "catastrophe," the term they use to describe the uprooting they experienced at the time of Israel's founding on May 15, 1948.

                On Facebook and other websites, activists had urged Palestinians and their supporters in neighbouring countries to march on the border with Israel as part of nakba activities. Security officials tried to block such moves for fear of violence.

                In Egypt, the army set up at least 15 checkpoints — guarded by tanks and armoured vehicles — on the road between the Egyptian town of El-Arish and the Gaza border city of Rafah, turning back all who were not residents of the area.

                In the fighting over Israel's creation, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were uprooted, and the dispute over the fate of the refugees and their descendants, now numbering several million, remains a key issue in the Mideast conflict.

                Border frontier quiet for decades

                Israel captured the Golan from Syria in the 1967 Mideast war, and Syria demands the area back as part of any peace deal. Despite hostility between the two countries, the border has been quiet since the 1973 Mideast war.

                Israeli TV channels broadcast scenes, taken from Arab stations, of what appeared to be thousands of people gathering along the Syrian border with the Golan, with large crowds throwing objects at the fence. Dozens of people could be seen cutting through the fence and storming across to the Israeli side.

                In a statement, the military said "thousands of Syrian civilians" breached the border.

                "IDF forces opened fire in order to prevent the violent rioters from illegally infiltrating Israeli territory, a number of rioters have infiltrated and are violently rioting in the village. From initial reports there are dozens of injured that are receiving medical care in a nearby hospital," the statement said.

                Israeli officials confirmed two of those who crossed the Syrian border were dead on the Israeli side, and as many as four were reported dead in Syrian territory.

                The protesters were believed to be Palestinians who live in refugee camps in Syria. Israel's Channel 2 TV interviewed one of those who crossed, who identified himself as a resident of the Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria. "I am Palestinian from Nazareth," a town in northern Israel, the man told the station.

                Members of Druse Arab sect remain neutral

                Channel 2 showed footage, taken by a resident of the Golan border village of Majdal Shams, of what it said was a pro-Palestinian protest walking through the streets of the town. At late afternoon, Israeli military officials said about 100 people had been caught and were being sent back to Syria. It was not known how many remained on the loose.

                "The residents are in shock, they had no idea this was going to happen," Dolan Abu Salah, mayor of Majdal Shams, told Channel 10 TV. He said the town's residents, members of the Druse Arab sect, were neutral and did not want to get involved.

                About 40 kilometres to the west, Israeli troops clashed with a large crowd of Lebanese demonstrators who approached the border. The military said it opened fire when protesters tried to damage the border fence. Lebanese security officials reported four dead.

                It was the most serious violence along the volatile border since Israel fought Lebanese Hezbollah guerrillas during a monthlong war five years ago.

                The shooting erupted at the tense border village of Maroun el-Rass, which saw some of the fiercest fighting in 2006. Thousands of Palestinian refugees had traveled to the village in buses adorned with posters that said: "We are returning." Many came from the 12 crowded refugee camps in Lebanon where some 400,000 Palestinian refugees live.

                "Israel may be 63 years old today but its days are numbered," said Abbas Jomaa, 50, who was carrying his 4-year-old son on his shoulders and holding a Palestinian flag.

                Hundreds of Lebanese soldiers, UN peacekeepers and riot police deployed heavily in the area, taking up positions along the electric border fence and patrolling the area in military vehicles.

                Young Hezbollah supporters wearing yellow hats and carrying walkie-talkies organized the entry to the village and handed out Palestinian flags.

                In other violence, Palestinian medics also said two people were killed and 40 others were wounded in a demonstration in the Gaza Strip near the heavily fortified border with Israel. Demonstrations were also reported in east Jerusalem and the West Bank.

                Inside Israel, police were on high alert for disturbances among the country's large Arab minority. In a reflection of the jitters, a deadly traffic incident involving an Arab truck driver in Tel Aviv set off fears that an attack had been carried out.

                The truck plowed through a crowded street, crashing into a bus, several cars and pedestrians, killing one and injuring 16 others. Police said the 22-year-old driver claimed it was an accident, but said they were still investigating.

                "Based on the devastation and debris, we're still examining if it was carried out deliberately," said police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld.

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                • #28
                  Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                  Here's the video of them crossing into the Golan heights. The men recording the video are worried about mines and they keep yelling to watch out.

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                  • #29
                    Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                    I'd like to hear America's response to the Israeli "restraint" shown on peaceful protesters.
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X


                    • #30
                      Re: Free Palestine - The Struggle

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      I'd like to hear America's response to the Israeli "restraint" shown on peaceful protesters.
                      and by "peaceful protesters" you mean provocators who want Israel to gun them down, so the world can say "hey look they're killing us".. etc etc.?