Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

[LadyLazarus]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

You're officially a PITA. Counseling and anti-depressants are usually used together to cope with teenage depression. They shouldn't be expelled from school, they should be put in a "special" class. Make an example out of a few of them and see how quick others will learn. Most of these bullies come from broken homes anyways.... usually the trouble starts at home as they are not getting the attention and discipline they need.

I must have always had a mature frontal lobe

I couldn't resist--this was too cute! Gitunik jan, may I suggest browsing through some relevant (and credible) literature before making such sweeping generalizations? (not being condescending at all here; this is an actual suggestion)

[Siggie]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

clinician[/I] whose specialization just happens to be school mental health.

Excellent! My background is in experimental psychology (cognition), so I'm thrilled to have someone on the forum who can speak to the clinical side.

I've been debating getting "not a clinician" tattooed on my forehead... It's the main thing laypeople think of with "Psychology" and so that's what they come to me with and I have to constantly remind them I have no expertise in this area (granted I know a bit more than the layperson). This was especially the case when I got called on in law school. Insanity comes up..."say let's ask our psych person..." I'm not a clinician! Psychopathy comes up... "say let's ask our psych person..." I'm not a clinician! The reliability of memory comes up... no one thinks of me.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

I couldn't resist--this was too cute! Gitunik jan, may I suggest browsing through some relevant (and credible) literature before making such sweeping generalizations? (not being condescending at all here; this is an actual suggestion)

Literature? :P About bullies or anti-depressants being administered to depressed teens? I apologize for making generalizations even though generalizations are 80-90% of the time true... if they were 100% true then there would be no need for case to case analysis eh?

[LadyLazarus]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

Excellent! My background is in experimental psychology (cognition), so I'm thrilled to have someone on the forum who can speak to the clinical side.

I've been debating getting "not a clinician" tattooed on my forehead... It's the main thing laypeople think of with "Psychology" and so that's what they come to me with and I have to constantly remind them I have no expertise in this area (granted I know a bit more than the layperson). This was especially the case when I got called on in law school. Insanity comes up..."say let's ask our psych person..." I'm not a clinician! Psychopathy comes up... "say let's ask our psych person..." I'm not a clinician! The reliability of memory comes up... no one thinks of me.

Awesome! I could tell from your comments in this thread you had somewhat of a background. It's always good to have another psych-minded person around. It is true though--people generally have no clue what the various disciplines within psych-related professions actually DO. Armos even less so. I feel ya

P.S. All that I remember from a couple of quarters of cognitive and experimental psych is one very hot professor! lol ... kidding, kidding--or am I??

[LadyLazarus]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

Literature? :P About bullies or anti-depressants being administered to depressed teens? I apologize for making generalizations even though generalizations are 80-90% of the time true... if they were 100% true then there would be no need for case to case analysis eh?

Literature--you know, printed words filled with proven theories as opposed to assumptions ... You might be technically "wrong", but in your intuitive distillation of all of this, you're actually "right". I agree, the "answers" and "solutions" that have traditionally been implemented just aren't effective and often present more problems than they offer solutions. You mentioned the psychotropic meds, but the isolationist "alternative" school practices (behaviorally challenging kids who act out in major ways ultimately wind up being sent to specialized "alternative" schools) aren't the answer either--so your special class settings wouldn't address these types of issues sufficiently. Sadly, the answer ultimately lies in prevention, not treatment. There are various very effective bullying prevention programs, most notably the Olweus method (successfully replicated in many countries worldwide)... Unfortunately, most school settings just don't have the resources to devote to prevention programs (or they prioritize inadequately)--so they wind up with "problem" cases they could've prevented! Frustrating! But you see, these are the types of things the literature addresses.....

[KanadaHye]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

Awesome! I could tell from your comments in this thread you had somewhat of a background. It's always good to have another psych-minded person around. It is true though--people generally have no clue what the various disciplines within psych-related professions actually DO. Armos even less so. I feel ya

Making sweeping generalizations about Armenians I see....

Yes, smartypants , I'm very Armenian. I'm also a very Armenian clinician whose specialization just happens to be school mental health. I think I'm pretty well aware of the finer points of family dynamics, causal factors to bullying, etc. ; all of that is really beyond the scope of what I was trying to say with my earlier post. Regardless how the kids with "issues" got to that point, all I was saying is let's not be judgemental towards them.

Peace.

So you offer no solutions but only the age old phrase "don't judge". I'm the judge, jury and executioner. Let me ask you this... how can you solve mental health issues without knowledge of the root cause?

I guess you answered while I was typing...

Literature--you know, printed words filled with proven theories as opposed to assumptions ... You might be technically "wrong", but in your intuitive distillation of all of this, you're actually "right". I agree, the "answers" and "solutions" that have traditionally been implemented just aren't effective and often present more problems than they offer solutions. You mentioned the psychotropic meds, but the isolationist "alternative" school practices (behaviorally challenging kids who act out in major ways ultimately wind up being sent to specialized "alternative" schools) aren't the answer either--so your special class settings wouldn't address these types of issues sufficiently. Sadly, the answer ultimately lies in prevention, not treatment. There are various very effective bullying prevention programs, most notably the Olweus method (successfully replicated in many countries worldwide)... Unfortunately, most school settings just don't have the resources to devote to prevention programs (or they prioritize inadequately)--so they wind up with "problem" cases they could've prevented! Frustrating! But you see, these are the types of things the literature addresses.....

[LadyLazarus]

Re: Bubye and good riddance Don't Ask Don't Tell!

Making sweeping generalizations about Armenians I see....

So you offer no solutions but only the age old phrase "don't judge". I'm the judge, jury and executioner. Let me ask you this... how can you solve mental health issues without knowledge of the root cause?

We posted at the same time. Read below ... You're absolutely right, you can't address any mental health issues without knowing the root cause--which was my point exactly. Also, the professional literature identifies causes, symptomalogy, treatment models, etc. for those who are not of the field; I refer to this briefly in my prior post.