Ukraine

[Mher]

Re: Youkrain

Arsen Avakov, an ethnic Armenian from Baku, has been elected as Ukraine's interim Interior Minister

Parliament appoints Avakov acting interior minister

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/parliament-appoints-avakov-acting-interior-minister-337366.html

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

These are generalizations you make based on what if scenarios which most often dont materialize. Armenia has faced these scenarios before and we have experience in this field where we have made many huge mistakes but will hopefully not make them again. Remember the French who promised us freedom then left us to die? Armenia has learned her lessons we will not fall prey to false western illusions again only to be massacred because it was all a lie to begin with. I know better then most the value of independence and would like nothing better then for Armenia to be just that but the truth is Armenia cannot be independent now. If Russia looses her then the Turk will claim her and finish off the genocide once and for all. If you think otherwise you are either fooling yourself or simply you want Armenians dead and gone. Either way it is irrelevant what you want because Armenians have been here before and some of us learned from our mistakes. You dont go seeking independence when you cannot maintain it even if it was handed to you on a silver platter. Mher posted the conversation between senior US representatives on another thread http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o it clearly shows USA as the imperial power behind the crap in Ukrain and it clearly shows that it is using the UN to do its bidding. It also shows that the USA cares not for the people of Ukrain nor of Europe and is after its own imperial ambitions. Now why the hell should Armenia trade one imperialist overlord for another especialy when that other has a tendency of leaving everything it touches far worst off then before it touched it..If mr Bell believes even half of the words he writes then he is naive, a very poor student of history but far more likely a malicious individual who has confessed many times his own hatred of Armenians and would like nothing better then to have the word Armenia erased from the map. It always amazes me that even when faced with irrefutable evidence like the video here, many Armenians still sheepishly wonder into the arms of the big bad wolf with smiles on their faces. Russia has provided what is left of our homeland with security for almost a century and during soviet times Armenia didnt just survive-it THRIVED in every sense of that word. Now idiots say F Russia and join the west but of course they have no clue what the west is-even those who live in the west dont have a clue what it is. If Armenia somehow does manage to be foolish enough to leave the Russian orbit again then it will be her last mistake. The western stooges couldn't care less about us and have demonstrated exactly that a million times but people with rose colored glasses dont think, they dont even see nor live in reality. If you think Russia is a bad imperialist then i guess you have forgotten The Turk and the genocide. If you think Armenia can be independent then let me run some numbers by you-we have probably 2 million people in Armenia and are surrounded by 100,000,000 Turks. You do the math. And if you think the west is going to protect you when all these Turks come to slit your throat and rape your daughter your and idiot. Oh but wait if your reading this you are probably not in Armenia are you..hmm so you have nothing to lose if this really does happen do you..hmm yes i see why so many Armenians jump on the western bandwagon now...pathetic!

Are you not savy enough to see that all this could end up being to Armenia's great advantage? If Ukraine can finally get rid of its status of being a Russian client state, the Crimea will break off from Ukraine and join Russia. This will end the dogma that the Soviet-era borders are somehow unalterable. In the past it was in Russia's interest to maintain that dogma, so it will be gone once Russia sees it is in its own interest to no longer follow it. That will have implications on the status of NK - it will suddenly be officially OK to change Soviet-era borders if those living there want it, and to get those changes recognised by Russia and the world.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

Remember the French who promised us freedom then left us to die? Armenia has learned her lessons we will not fall prey to false western illusions again only to be massacred because it was all a lie to begin with.

Why was Armenia worth the life of a single Frenchman? Yet plenty did die there. And Armenians like you would, today, probably piss on their graves and curse them for not dying for you in even larger numbers. As you said: "pathetic!".

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

The Frenchmen that died there were fighting for the French imperial dream. I dont plan on pissing on any grave but you are pathetic in trying to imply the imperialists were dying for us especially when history shows quite the opposite to be true-it was us who died because of their unrealistic imperial ambitions. Dear mr Bell your arguments are becoming nothing more then a cat whining in the night-please post again when you have something of substance to write.

Why was Armenia worth the life of a single Frenchman? Yet plenty did die there. And Armenians like you would, today, probably piss on their graves and curse them for not dying for you in even larger numbers. As you said: "pathetic!".

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

The Frenchmen that died there were fighting for the French imperial dream. I dont plan on pissing on any grave but you are pathetic in trying to imply the imperialists were dying for us especially when history shows quite the opposite to be true-it was us who died because of their unrealistic imperial ambitions. Dear mr Bell your arguments are becoming nothing more then a cat whining in the night-please post again when you have something of substance to write.

First you complain about about the French allegedly promising you something and then not delivering on it.
Then you complain about them trying to deliver on it, but doing it for their own interests rather than your own interests - which rather contradicts your first complaint: if they really were just "fighting for the French imperial dream" rather than for Armenian freedom, why did the French not stay put?

And are you going to complain about Britain not sending enough forces into the Caucasus, and leaving too quickly, because they did not have any "imperial dream" for there at all?

You fail to give reasons why anyone in Britain, France or America would have thought that Armenia was worth the life of a single Briton, or Frenchman, or American. Yet a large number of Britons did die, and a very large number of Frenchmen - but all you can do is pour scorn on their sacrifice.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Youkrain

If Ukraine can finally get rid of its status of being a Russian client state, the Crimea will break off from Ukraine and join Russia. This will end the dogma that the Soviet-era borders are somehow unalterable. That will have implications on the status of NK.

Events seem to be happening quicker than I had expected.

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

"You fail to give reasons why anyone in Britain, France or America would have thought that Armenia was worth the life of a single Briton, or Frenchman, or American."
I never said anything like this. Now your putting words into my mouth which is one of your older tricks..Armenia and Armenians would have been better off without any of these imperial pigs.

[Haykakan]

Re: Youkrain

Heh kinda funny how they picked an Armenian to head the revolutionary government. This is a clear attempt to reach out to Armenia and destabilize her to. Prorussian forces have seized control of airports in Crimea. There is no going back now Ukraine will either be divided or a huge war is in the making. The guys in the other thread are rightfully worried about possible restart of war between Azeris and us during this period. I got a feeling we got another Georgia crisis on our hands.

[Mher]

Re: Youkrain

Heh kinda funny how they picked an Armenian to head the revolutionary government. This is a clear attempt to reach out to Armenia and destabilize her to.

lmao cmon you're really reaching on that one. An Armenian from Azerbaijan who grew up in Ukraine, who probably barely ever set a foot in Armenia. A majority of ethnic Ukrainians wanted this, and I don't have a doubt about that. Is it ultimately better for them, we'll see, but I don't have a doubt this was the will of Ukrainians. And the talks of Ukrainian splitting is over blown. There are only 2 districts out of 24 that have a Russian Speaking majority. If Ukraine was smart, it would just let Crimea be. Its not a region that belongs to them anyway, and the have way more than they can handle. And if the Russia leadership had some intelligence it would let Ukraine be, and let them make their own choices. Independently, Ukraine is going to be in trouble and will want to strike a middle between the two sides. But if Russia keeps instigating Ukraine, it will only drive them further, and closer to the EU

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

No Mher you are not reading the situation at all correctly which is kind of surprising from you since you have shown some balance before and it was you who posted the obvious USA incitement of the rebels who were armed and encouraged by USA and still are. This is not a be and let be situation-this is the encirclement of Russia by NATO. NATO is a tool of USA hegemony and it will be used along with others to destroy anyone standing in the way of new world order. The big fish to fry for these aholes are Russia and China in that order. The competition you see for post soviet space is about much more then the medium to small states being fought over-this is one of those cases where the whole picture only emerges when you put all the little ones together. Russia is fighting for her life and nothing less.