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The rebels have taken the strategic town securing a connecting railway bringing together the two main rebel cities. The seize fire is now holding as the government troops retreat from the contested city of Debaltseve.
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Poroshenko appoints exiled former Georgian leader as ‘non-staff advisor’
Ukraine’s head of state Petro Poroshenko appointed former Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili as his non-staff advisor, according to a new decree.
Saakashvili is wanted for trial at home, as he is accused of corruption and brutality against protesters.......Leave a comment:
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EU member Cyprus wants Russian security. This tells you a lot about the meaningless promises of the EU. You cannot have economic development nor anything else without security. I wish all the Armenians chasing after western tail would finely understand this simple fact with this one being a very applicable real example.
RUSSIA DOES NOT NEED BASES ON CYPRUS - MILITARY EXPERT
Interfax, Russia
Feb 9 2015
MOSCOW. Feb 9
Russia does not need military bases on Cyprus, especially considering
the current economic climate, former chief of the international
agreements division of the Russian Defense Ministry's main
international cooperation department Lt. Gen. Yevgeny Buzhinsky said.
"Sure, we do not need them [the bases], especially given the
present-day economic conditions," Buzhinsky, PIR Center Board Chairman,
told Interfax-AVN on Monday.
He was commenting on a statement by Cypriot President Nikos
Anastasiadis who said Cyprus was prepared to consider the deployment
of Russian air and naval bases on the island.
In the opinion of Buzhinsky, "Cyprus must need something, it wants
money and is ready to do anything. It is especially amusing that they
are offering [Russia] to open its base near Akrotiri, the location
of a British military base."
Being a member of the European Union, Cyprus is part of the sphere of
influence of the Europeans and the Americans, primarily, the Brits,
he said.
"So, all this talk about Russian bases on Cyprus reminds me of Cyprus'
"procurement" of S-300 missile systems. It even paid the bill, but
the S-300 systems were finally deployed in Greece because no one would
let Cyprus to deploy Russian-made air defense systems," Buzhinsky said.
Speaking of Greek media reports regarding the Russian government's
request for leasing an air base on Cyprus, a military diplomat told
Interfax-AVN in Moscow earlier that the Russian army did not have an
operative need to deploy an airbase in the Mediterranean but it could
temporarily use the Cypriot territory, for instance, for possible
evacuation of Russian citizens from conflict-ridden Syria.
"The Russian army has no operative need to station an airbase on
Cyprus, because the Russian Defense Ministry does not posses a regional
group which will require support from such base," the source said.
"Most probably, it could be the question of temporary use, with the
consent of the Cypriot side, of some airfield for possible evacuation
of Russian citizens in the case of escalated tensions in Syria,"
he continued.
"The situation around that country [Syria] has changed, and Russia
has contributed to that by its efforts," the source said.
At present, Russian airbases are deployed outside the national
territory wherever Russia has army forces, i.e. in Kyrgyzstan,
Armenia and Tajikistan, he said.
Western media, which commented on the statement by Anastasiadis,
said that a formal agreement on military cooperation between Russia
and Cyprus might be signed on February 25, 2015.Leave a comment:
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Originally posted by Haykakan View PostMore proof of what I have been saying.
EX-ITALIAN PM MONTI: EUROPE CAN'T APPEAR TO BE 'TOOL OF US INTERESTS'
Published time: February 10, 2015 11:05
Italy's former Prime Minister Mario Monti (Reuters)
Washington's potential willingness to arm the Ukrainian military has
elicited an unusually frank reaction from former Italian PM Mario
Monti, who warned that Europe must not be viewed merely as "tool"
of US global interests.
READ MORE: Le Pen says Washington attempting to start 'war in Europe'
Recently speaking on private Italian broadcaster LA7, Monti warned that
there was a definite risk of the conflict in Ukraine spilling over.
"For now it's a limited war, but be careful, you [advocates of arming
Ukraine] are creating among Europeans a climate of mistrust and mutual
misunderstanding that could take us too far," he said.
When asked how he felt about Washington's recent proposal that it
could send defensive lethal arms to the Ukrainian military, including
anti-tank and anti-mortar systems, Monti said he believed such a move
would prove "intolerable" to Russia.
READ MORE: Sarkozy: Crimea cannot be blamed for joining Russia
"I believe that the United States does not always realize that Europe
has its problems, and cannot be seen only as a tool of the global
interests of the United States," he said.
Monti also noted how the West had to make a choice in its decision
to break with Russia, noting that it might be forced to pay a high
cost while losing an ally "in containing terrorism."
Long viewed as a technocratic leader and Brussels insider, Monti,
who took over the reins from Silvio Berlusconi in 2011, has been a
perennial voice of moderation in Europe.
His comments echo similar statements made by former French Prime
minister Francois Fillon, who told public broadcaster France 5 on
Sunday that the US was attempting to "unleash a war in Europe, which
would end in catastrophe."
Also on Saturday, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that
Europe is part of "a common civilization with Russia," saying they
needed to avoid conflict on the continent.
"The interests of the Americans with the Russians are not the interests
of Europe and Russia," he said, adding that,"we do not want the
revival of a Cold War between Europe and Russia."
The leader of France's rightwing National Front (FN), Marine Le Pen,
similarly took Brussels to task for not forming a Ukraine policy that
was independent from Washington's position.
"European capitals do not have the wisdom to refuse to be dependent
on US positions on Ukraine," Le Pen told French journalists on Sunday.
"Regarding Ukraine, we behave like American lackeys," she said,
before warning that "the aim of the Americans is to start a war in
Europe to push NATO to the Russian border."Kruschev's mistake has been rectified. Crimea is Russia again and will remain so henceforth .Originally posted by Artashes View Post
USA knows Russia will not tolerate Ukraine becoming a USA military base.
The Ukraine govt is an installed puppet of the west to further western (USA/England) ambitions.
A heartless politicle move by the greed ridden elite of the west.Leave a comment:
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Agree with above post.Originally posted by Haykakan View PostMore proof of what I have been saying.
EX-ITALIAN PM MONTI: EUROPE CAN'T APPEAR TO BE 'TOOL OF US INTERESTS'
Published time: February 10, 2015 11:05
Italy's former Prime Minister Mario Monti (Reuters)
Washington's potential willingness to arm the Ukrainian military has
elicited an unusually frank reaction from former Italian PM Mario
Monti, who warned that Europe must not be viewed merely as "tool"
of US global interests.
READ MORE: Le Pen says Washington attempting to start 'war in Europe'
Recently speaking on private Italian broadcaster LA7, Monti warned that
there was a definite risk of the conflict in Ukraine spilling over.
"For now it's a limited war, but be careful, you [advocates of arming
Ukraine] are creating among Europeans a climate of mistrust and mutual
misunderstanding that could take us too far," he said.
When asked how he felt about Washington's recent proposal that it
could send defensive lethal arms to the Ukrainian military, including
anti-tank and anti-mortar systems, Monti said he believed such a move
would prove "intolerable" to Russia.
READ MORE: Sarkozy: Crimea cannot be blamed for joining Russia
"I believe that the United States does not always realize that Europe
has its problems, and cannot be seen only as a tool of the global
interests of the United States," he said.
Monti also noted how the West had to make a choice in its decision
to break with Russia, noting that it might be forced to pay a high
cost while losing an ally "in containing terrorism."
Long viewed as a technocratic leader and Brussels insider, Monti,
who took over the reins from Silvio Berlusconi in 2011, has been a
perennial voice of moderation in Europe.
His comments echo similar statements made by former French Prime
minister Francois Fillon, who told public broadcaster France 5 on
Sunday that the US was attempting to "unleash a war in Europe, which
would end in catastrophe."
Also on Saturday, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that
Europe is part of "a common civilization with Russia," saying they
needed to avoid conflict on the continent.
"The interests of the Americans with the Russians are not the interests
of Europe and Russia," he said, adding that,"we do not want the
revival of a Cold War between Europe and Russia."
The leader of France's rightwing National Front (FN), Marine Le Pen,
similarly took Brussels to task for not forming a Ukraine policy that
was independent from Washington's position.
"European capitals do not have the wisdom to refuse to be dependent
on US positions on Ukraine," Le Pen told French journalists on Sunday.
"Regarding Ukraine, we behave like American lackeys," she said,
before warning that "the aim of the Americans is to start a war in
Europe to push NATO to the Russian border."
I can tell you USA road game now ... With the equipment USA wants to send to Ukraine , Russia will be forced to strike deeper into Ukraine to neutralize this. Then USA can say ... See Russia is the aggressor and we must act!!!
USA wants to have a protracted conflict on someone else's territory. They (USA) would love to force Russia into expending more time/energy/money to entangle them, no matter what the cost to other countries in lives and stability.
War is good business for USA military/INDUSTRIAL complex.
The cost to print an American dollar means a high profit margin for the elite warmongers.Leave a comment:
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More proof of what I have been saying.
EX-ITALIAN PM MONTI: EUROPE CAN'T APPEAR TO BE 'TOOL OF US INTERESTS'
Published time: February 10, 2015 11:05
Italy's former Prime Minister Mario Monti (Reuters)
Washington's potential willingness to arm the Ukrainian military has
elicited an unusually frank reaction from former Italian PM Mario
Monti, who warned that Europe must not be viewed merely as "tool"
of US global interests.
READ MORE: Le Pen says Washington attempting to start 'war in Europe'
Recently speaking on private Italian broadcaster LA7, Monti warned that
there was a definite risk of the conflict in Ukraine spilling over.
"For now it's a limited war, but be careful, you [advocates of arming
Ukraine] are creating among Europeans a climate of mistrust and mutual
misunderstanding that could take us too far," he said.
When asked how he felt about Washington's recent proposal that it
could send defensive lethal arms to the Ukrainian military, including
anti-tank and anti-mortar systems, Monti said he believed such a move
would prove "intolerable" to Russia.
READ MORE: Sarkozy: Crimea cannot be blamed for joining Russia
"I believe that the United States does not always realize that Europe
has its problems, and cannot be seen only as a tool of the global
interests of the United States," he said.
Monti also noted how the West had to make a choice in its decision
to break with Russia, noting that it might be forced to pay a high
cost while losing an ally "in containing terrorism."
Long viewed as a technocratic leader and Brussels insider, Monti,
who took over the reins from Silvio Berlusconi in 2011, has been a
perennial voice of moderation in Europe.
His comments echo similar statements made by former French Prime
minister Francois Fillon, who told public broadcaster France 5 on
Sunday that the US was attempting to "unleash a war in Europe, which
would end in catastrophe."
Also on Saturday, former French President Nicolas Sarkozy said that
Europe is part of "a common civilization with Russia," saying they
needed to avoid conflict on the continent.
"The interests of the Americans with the Russians are not the interests
of Europe and Russia," he said, adding that,"we do not want the
revival of a Cold War between Europe and Russia."
The leader of France's rightwing National Front (FN), Marine Le Pen,
similarly took Brussels to task for not forming a Ukraine policy that
was independent from Washington's position.
"European capitals do not have the wisdom to refuse to be dependent
on US positions on Ukraine," Le Pen told French journalists on Sunday.
"Regarding Ukraine, we behave like American lackeys," she said,
before warning that "the aim of the Americans is to start a war in
Europe to push NATO to the Russian border."Leave a comment:
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As far as the "west" is concerned it is very much a black and white affair. All you have to do is look at the initial reactions from EU countries to the Russian actions in Crimea and compare them to the USA reaction. You will see that non of the EU countries wanted sanctions, they did not want an economic war with Russia but the USA did. The USA bullied its European "partners" and forced them to do what they did not want to do. So you see the interests of the EU countries mean nothing since USA makes them do what it likes. You also disregard the fact that this maiden in Ukraine is artificially created by the USA which time and again disregards the interests of the EU countries, international law, good/bad...you must have heard the "xxxx the EU" conversation on youtube which clearly shows that non of this is about EU interests nor German , nor French, nor.. As for soviets vs Russians, I am not sure where you are going with this. The bottom line Mher is that your arguments continue to have glaring holes in them which at this point there are no excuses for them. The information is there, the proof is there, both have been laid out before you as plain as day yet you persist with your flawed arguments. You can do as you wish but when people depart from rationality they should not be surprised when they are deemed irrelevant.Leave a comment:
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Haykakan, I think the flaw in your view is breaking things down to a simplistic black v. white view and group things together and calling them the west. Though they tend to share some common goals, I think its safe to say the foreign policy and worldview of say the US is not exactly the same as that of Germany or that of France. I would say that these countries have very different goals for the future of Ukraine and Russia. A country wishing to have better economic relations with the EU shouldn't have its ambitious be broken down to putting its hopes on the west (read America and UK). As far as Ukraine goes, it is not as if these problems just appeared magically and unexpectedly simply because they decided to sign an association agreement. They appeared and grew substantially because of Russia's involvement and invasion of Ukraine. Moreover, they appeared because I would say the new Ukrainian authorities didn't take the best approach to their eastern regions, specially after losing Crimea. But to argue that them simply choosing to open up economic ties with Europe magically resulted in economic disarray is nonsense. The economic crisis is largely fueled by the destruction and subsequent loss of the country's industrial centers in the east, caused by a conflict fueled by Russia. It's as if a woman decides to leave a relationship, and the ex beats her up, and says see I told you things wouldn't go well without me. America's illegal actions in Serbia, Iraq, and Syria, places that America invaded without justification have nothing to do with Ukraine, where the invasion is taking place by Russia. Of course, you can argue Russia was acting in self interest, and doing what it should be doing, but in that case let's accept the reality, and not try to put our in the sand, and say only God knows what's causing these economic problems.Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
As far as being special in somesones eyes, I don't think that's the case for anyone. Other than Israel, who have their proxy running the US government, and maybe the two Turkic nations adjacent to us, I don't think there are many countries who count on being special in the eyes of someone else. There is a vast difference between hoping to open up some economic opportunities with some countries, and taking the leap to imagining some non existent EU army to come and save you- which I don't think anyone is suggesting.
Also, I see people on your side of these issues are very quick to point out that, oh you can't blame Russia for the damage done to Armenia by Soviets, because after all, Russia was a victim too, the Soviets weren't slavs. okay, alright, but following the same logic, isn't it wrong to credit the Russians for preventing the annihilation of Armenia when it was done by the Soviets? And after all, it was those "dear protectors of Armenia" Soviets who contributed to Armenia being weak enough to need its protection. If the Soviets didn't provide Ataturk with millions in gold, thousands of weapons, and millions of bullets, while simultaneously diverting Armenian forces from the Turkish war to stop the Communist invasion of Armenia, Armenia might have done fine on its own holding back the Turks as it had in the preceding years. Once again, we seem to be dealing with the abusive boyfriend character and blaming yourself for deserving the punishment. And don't get me started on the theft of Kars, Nakhichevan, Kirovabad, and Artsakh by our dear soviet protectors.Leave a comment:
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It is sad to see what USA and its friends have done to Ukraine. Of course only an idiot would say we never saw this coming because only an idiot would not see Libya, Iraq, Afganistan, Syria....as precedents. Unfortunately the world is full of idiots. Now the Ukrainian debt is being restructured and this means that only an idiot will invest in Ukraine now. Yet another country destroyed, yet again millions of people in misery, yet tens of thousends more deaths to add to the millions already inflicted by western interventions. How many times does this have to happen for people to understand what the "west" is all about? The fact is that idiots do not learn and repeat the same mistakes over and over again. There are many Armenian idiots to and you can see them on this forum quite clearly. No matter how many times the west makes Armenian issues into a joke, idiot Armenians will remain well..idiots. I think some have opened their eyes a bit but most will continue to live in their alternative reality where everything western is good and only special people can be victims of official genocide and well the Armenians have never been nor will they ever be special enough in western eyes. Hell even our special interest groups are not special enough here and are used as a punchline to a joke between congressmen and other lobbyists. It will soon be 100 years since the genocide. Was it the west that stopped the turck for 100 years from overrunning what is left of Armenia? Perhaps our not so special special interest group had something to do with it? Well an idiot might just believe such things.Leave a comment:
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If it defaults all its creditors will be blown out of the water.Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
Basically Ukraine will not owe anything to anybody.
Nobody will let her any money also, except for political reasons.
Probably Russia will be the biggest looser. I have in mind financially.
They owe most to Russia, accumulated over the years.
Do not know if Russian banks have cross-hedged loans with Europe.
In any event generally if Russian banks go down they will pull down European banks.
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