Ukraine

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

Here is clear evidence as to who is responsible for this war and the airplane being downed. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/wo...aine.html?_r=0
The rebels have given the black box to Malaysia and allowed access to the crash sight but as soon as investigators were to arrive the Ukrainian government launched an offensive in the exact same area insuring that any and all possible evidence will be destroyed (and then possibly bs evidence planted/doctored). It is simply sickening to watch this happen. The west is trying extremely hard to start a war with Russia now but the question is why now? I would guess its because it feels Russia will only get stronger and the west weaker from now on so this is the best time for it to attack-this is just a guess though on my part. Whatever the reason i see a big war coming which will involve many world powers---pretty scary stuff.

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28283502

This may be a sign of this war getting much bigger soon.

[Haykakan]

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28101812

[Haykakan]

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WIKILEAKS EXPOSES DARK SIDES OF UKRAINE'S POROSHENKO, TYMOSHENKO

18:21 * 12.06.14

Two diplomatic cables made public by WikiLeaks Public Library on
US Diplomacy reveal that Ukraine's president-elect Petr Poroshenko
served as an informant for United States' State Department, the Voice
of Russia reports.

A confidential message from the US Embassy in Kiev dating back to April
29, 2006 mentions the now widely-known confectionary tycoon twice.

Back then Poroshenko reportedly handed to the US Embassy in Kiev
inside information on the plotting a coalition government in 2006,
Wikileaks say.

The message was intended for Ambassador John Herbst to update him
on how things stood in April 2006, Poroshenko describing himself
as an insider from the party Nasha Ukrayina (Our Ukraine), a bloc
associated with former President Viktor Yushchenko, passionately
welcomed by the western leaders.

The diplomat, however, questioned the authenticity of Poroshenko's
message suspecting it to be part of backdoor games aimed at arresting
once Yushchenko's allies - Yuliya Tymoshenko and Aleksandr Turchynov
until recently - acting Ukraine's President.

Who is Poroshenko - the figure to use his might and power to wind down
the deadly standoff in the country's southeast or a mere businessman
who skillfully pulls his strings - is still debated.

Other Wikileaks documents that came recently to light show that
Ukraine's former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko might have cooperated
with mafia boss Seymon Mogilievich when she headed United Energy
Systems.

In a message to Washington dated April 14, 2006, US embassy to Kiev
said that Tymoshenko could have been associated with Ukraine's crime
kingpin. The embassy referred to Internet news site Ukrainska Pravda
(UP) which reported about the illegal destruction of the Security
Service of Ukraine (SBU) files on Mogilievich upon order by then senior
Tymoshenko, who could have been thus deleting sensitive data on her
shady business with Mogilievich, as well as her illegal surveillance
of now president-elect Poroshenko.

Yulia Tymoshenko leapt to international fame in 2004 as she joined
the so-called Orange Revolution: Ukraine's citizens took to streets
back then in Kiev backing Western-favorite Viktor Yushchenko in his
appeal against the results of a presidential election. She served two
terms as prime minister under President Yushchenko and narrowly lost
to Viktor Yanukovych in the 2010 presidential race. After he came
to power Tymoshenko got a seven-year prison sentence for allegedly
negotiating a Ukraine-Russia deal on conditions unfavourable for
Ukraine. She was released from jail by a parliament decree on February
22, just before the Maidan standoff reached its deadly climax.

It was reported earlier by Wikileaks that US diplomats called the
newly-elected president of Ukraine a "disgraceful oligarch," with
his name mentioned no less than 100 times in the secret files. He is
generally pictured as an unpopular politician and in the first place
businessman who managed to gain strings in whatever government. Sheila
Guoltni, US deputy Ambassador to Ukraine, told the US Department of
State on May 26, 2006 that the image of Poroshenko was discredited by
"credible accusations of corruption" - the issue that at some point
led him to a row with ex Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

Armenian News - Tert.am

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

Today Obama was lecturing in Europe about how big nations have no right to bully smaller nations..the word hypocrisy does come to mind.

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

Pro-Russian insurgents captured three government bases in eastern Ukraine in a series of humiliating defeats for the beleaguered armed forces on Wednesday, as the president-elect promised new initiatives to help end the mutiny in the country's industrial heartland.

Petro Poroshenko, speaking in Warsaw after meeting with President Barack Obama and other Western leaders, rejected a call from Ukraine's interim authorities to introduce martial law in the restive east, saying he would seek to pacify the region with an offer of amnesty and a promise of early regional elections.

Poroshenko's overture, expected to be detailed in his inaugural address on Saturday, came as the Ukrainian troops suffered a series of embarrassing setbacks on Wednesday.

National Guard forces ran out of ammunition and had to flee their base near the eastern city of Luhansk after hours of battle in which six militants were killed and three Ukrainian servicemen were injured.

The defeat came as rebel forces seized a border guard headquarters on the city's outskirts after besieging it for two days, then forced guards out of another base in the nearby town of Sverdlovsk on the Russian border. The guards there were granted safe passage and left with their weapons.

The setbacks highlighted the ineffectiveness of Ukraine's badly trained and cash-starved armed forces, which also have been plagued by bad communication and poor supply lines.

Ukraine's provisional authorities have blamed the recent military failures on pro-Russia former President Viktor Yanukovych, claiming that his corrupt government starved soldiers of resources and training.

The fund shortage is so desperate that the Defense Ministry had to set up a charity account to support the armed forces while volunteers across the country have been buying provisions for the soldiers.

Obama, in Warsaw for a celebration on the 25th anniversary of Poland's first partially free election, praised Poroshenko for reaching out to the east, while offering $5 million in new aid for Ukraine's military — for equipment that could help in the fight against the insurgents.

The White House said the aid would include, for the first time, body armor and night-vision goggles for the use of troops. The United States already has provided ready-to-eat meals and money for medical supplies and other non-lethal assistance, including clothing, sleeping bags and generators.

Many Ukrainian units in the east are manned by poorly-trained conscripts, who come from the region and appear reluctant to engage the rebels.

In the skirmishes overnight into Wednesday, Alexei Toporov, a spokesman for the insurgents in Luhansk, said the guards were fleeing, and the insurgents did not try to detain them.

"We released them and let them go home, we impeded nobody," he said. "They left their weapons, and this base is now coming under the control of the Luhansk People's Republic."

A rebel fighter who gave only his first name, Andrei, said the insurgents wanted to create a "humanitarian corridor" that would allow civilians to flee to Russia to escape the fighting.

An Associated Press reporter saw pro-Russian militia carrying crates of ammunition and explosives out of the base on Wednesday and driving away in border guards' cars. Ukraine's Border Guard Service said that the troops from that outpost had been evacuated to unspecified "safe locations."

[Eddo211]

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I like this move.....sends a solid message to the West.

A Russian SU-27 buzzes a US Navy Modified spy plane C-130 (RC-135C) at 100 feet and crosses the front of the C-130 showing off its missiles and causing the US Navy plane to be forced to fly through its jet wash.
That will get your attention real quick




Russians don't seem to be happy with blatant US intervention where its butt don't belong.

[Haykakan]

Re: Ukraine

The war is on Rebels shot down a chopper with a General in it and the government forces have been attacking rebels for a while now. Another war sponcered by uncle sam.

[Eddo211]

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Testing Russian reaction

[Mher]

Re: Ukraine

Hmm Ukraine government is holding peace talks but the rebels are not included in the talks..i wonder who it is talking peace with? More and more this is looking like another war triggered by the USA who is ignoring the desires of its European "friends" and consistently opting for antagonization and war rather then negotiation and peace. It wants war to isolate Russia but i am begining to wonder if the opposite can happen here, just maybe the USA might find itself more isolated after this is all over. It will not win on the ground here via military and the European powers never wanted to go along with the USA on the Ukraine adventure to begin with and now the USA is pissing off the Germans and other europeans who do not want to isolate Russia because doing so is not in their interest. I wonder if tapping the phone of Merkel will clue the USA in on the fact that this will backfire on them or perhaps they are just too dumb to learn from the whole miserable Syria disaster.

I don't know how excited the EU was to have Ukraine in the first place. You're not talking about a small country like Georgia where you can throw a few billion at them and rebuild the entire nation. You're talking about 50 million people in what is Europe's second poorest country. The EU just survived a crisis and is finally facing some stability in the next few years. I don't think they were exactly looking forward to the challenge. It was something they were being dragged along for. Now they get to wash their hands from the mess and say we tried, but what else can we do.