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  • #61
    Re: Ukraine

    KIEV PREPARES FOR WAR

    Vestnik Kavkaza, Russia
    March 18 2014

    18 March 2014 - 9:25am
    By Vestnik Kavkaza

    The interim president of Ukraine, Alexander Turchinov, thinks that
    Russia's activity in Crimea won't lead to a loss of the peninsula by
    Ukraine. Turchinov stated that "Russia has focused a great amount
    of troops on our border, and our state is threatened by a war. The
    parliament decides to increase military expenditures." Turchinov
    urges the Ukrainians "to unite in the face of a possible aggression"
    and "adhere to the general line against the aggressor."

    Russia is defending its national interests not from Ukraine, but from
    the USA, according to experts. "Washington's interests fundamentally
    contradict Russian ones," the Director General of the Russian Institute
    for Foreign Policy Studies and Initiatives, Veronika Krasheninnikova,
    thinks. "Even though Ukraine or the Caucasus are in ten thousand
    miles from the USA, these states are declared to be a territory of
    strategic interests of the USA. The current events were directed
    against independent Ukraine, against Russia, against integration
    processes in the post-Soviet space."

    According to Krasheninnikova, the USA will continue the policy: "We
    will see the full spectrum from political means to terrorist attacks
    to make Ukraine stay with the West. The approach is aimed at Russia,
    it is being tested. Mechanisms of shifting a similar situation to
    Russian territory are being discussed. The current methodology differs
    from color revolutions of 2003-2005 by presence of a forceful radical
    element. And some elements of Arab spring are present in Ukraine as
    well. While previous overthrows were peaceful, now it is internecine.

    The West, headed by the USA, supports both the liberal part and
    ultra-right-wing Nazi part; each of them is playing their own roles.

    Maidan began with peaceful protests of pro-Western opposition. When
    it didn't work, militants were involved. The scenario was implemented
    in the post-Soviet space for the first time."

    Krasheninnikova reminded that "Western Ukraine is the south border
    of Belarus. The West has been dreaming about changing the regime of
    Lukashenko for a long time, and now there are favorable conditions
    for this. As the activity will be directed against the Customs Union,
    we can expect similar attempts against Kazakhstan. Moreover, Armenia
    decided to sign and has already signed the agreement on accession
    to the CU; however, the agreement must be ratified by the Armenian
    parliament. There is big probability that some activities in Armenia
    will be organized over the ratification."

    "When President Putin decided to run for president for the third time
    and stated that his main foreign political program is establishing of
    Eurasian Union, Obama's administration stated that its final goal is
    to prevent Russia's activity in all directions, prevent establishing of
    the Eurasian Union," Alexei Fenenko, senior scientist of the Institute
    of International Security Problems of the RAS, recalls. "The foundation
    of the crisis was laid in autumn 2011. We have seen attempts to prevent
    it during two years of Putin's new term, including attempts to prevent
    Russian-Uzbek negotiations, attempts to influence Azerbaijan, while
    Ukraine became a general scenario."

    According to Fenenko, "the only salvation for Ukraine was a neutral
    status of nonalignment policy and rejection of any sharp swing
    to this or that side. Too different nations, too different ethnic
    groups, too different cultures are united in Ukraine... As Crimea
    becomes a constituent of the Russian Federation, there is only one
    theoretical salvation for Ukraine - quick federalization. Ukraine
    will unlikely exist as a unitary state. All ethnic minorities, all
    ethnic borderlands want the only thing - guarantees from Kiev. Thus,
    theoretically Ukraine could move toward an enlarged federation which
    includes: southeast regions (the Kharkov, Lugansk, Donetsk regions and
    probably Kherson region), Central Ukraine, and the Transcarpathian
    region. Such Ukraine could be more balanced and more guaranteed by
    international agreements. If it doesn't happen, a scenario of an
    uncontrollable dissolution of Ukraine will begin."

    Депутаты Парламентской ассамблеи "Евронест" на встрече с президентом Армении Сержем Саргсяном подняли нагорно-карабахский вопрос, сообщил в пятницу Trend в интервью об итогах визита …
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #62
      Re: Ukraine

      SARKISIAN BACKS CRIMEAN REFERENDUM IN PHONE CALL WITH PUTIN

      Wednesday, March 19th, 2014

      Russian and Armenian Presidents Vladimir Putin and Serzh Sarkisian
      in Moscow, Sept. 3, 2013.

      YEREVAN--Revealing a more solid stance on the Ukranian crisis,
      Armenia's President Serzh Sarkisian, in a phone call with Russian
      President Vladimir Putin, apparently recognized Crimea's referendum
      to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.

      The President's press office announced that Sarkisian made the phone
      call on Wednesday to discuss the Ukrainian situation and "ways out
      of it." In that light, the press statement said, the two presidents
      agreed that the Crimean referendum was "yet another realization of
      peoples' right to self-determination."

      "The interlocutors also reaffirmed their belief in the importance of
      commitment to the norms and principles of international law and the
      UN charter," the statement added.

      The Russian side released a similar statement confirming the phone
      call but made no mention of Sarkisian's endorsement of the Crimean
      referendum to join Russia.

      Armenia has been careful not to take clear sides in the Ukrainian
      crisis given the West's strong condemnation of Russia's role and
      continuing actions in what is the biggest stand-off between the West
      and Russia since the Cold War.

      But Sarkisian's latest phone call is likely to draw negative reactions
      from Europe and the United States as it places Armenia squarely on
      the Russian side of the equation.

      The two presidents also discussed the Karabakh conflict's ongoing
      settlement process, according to the Armenian President's press
      office. Sarkisian expressed his side's readiness to work with the
      OSCE Minsk Group, the Co-Chairmen of which recently signaled another
      possible high level meeting between Sarkisian and Azeri President
      Ilham Aliyev.

      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #63
        Re: Ukraine

        IF RUSSIA ACCEPTS CRIMEA AS SOVEREIGN STATE, IT SHOULD DO THE SAME WITH KARABAKH - ARAM SARGSYAN

        17:40 / 18.03.2014

        Nyut.am conducted interview with the leader of Democratic party Aram
        Sargsyan about the possible impact of Crimea's case on the Karabakh
        conflict settlement.

        - Mr Sargsyan, the EU and US started imposing sanctions on Russia
        but Vladimir Putin seems not to be worried about it. Why?

        - I think Russia has calculated all these issues and understands
        that its national-state interests are priority. They can undergo some
        deprivations, they can allow themselves such luxury. This process is
        the result of the policy conducted by the new Ukrainian authorities.

        After they adopted law about Russian language and started searching
        ways to enter NATO, they acquired a rival on behalf of Russia.

        Besides, the West is speaking about illegality of developments in
        Crimea, but they should remember what they did in Iraq, Libya, Kosovo,
        etc. So, either or - either you are really democratic, and do not
        allow such actions, or the opposite. But Russia should remember about
        Karabakh issue: if in one case you accept that Crimea has a right to be
        sovereign thus Karabakh is a bright example as it has implemented all
        the processes corresponding to international norms. And if a question
        rises that Armenia must recognize the results of Crimea's referendum
        it first of all must remind to the world that the Nagorno-Karabakh
        Republic was the first.

        - In such case do you consider our stance right? Shouldn't we
        congratulate Crimea?

        - We can congratulate only in case if they recognize our independence.

        But if Nagorno-Karabakh is left out of the peace talks and the
        talks are over incomprehensible Madrid principles which do not have
        any relation to the processes implemented in Karabakh, how we must
        congratulate Crimea and its people. In that case everyone will say -
        what about you? Having unsettled issue we cannot make such step.

        - Pro-western forces in Armenia forecast economic crisis for Russia
        and the Customs Union which will have a negative impact on Armenia. Do
        you agree with it?

        - It is their dreams and I do not know their grounds. It is strange
        that this people speaking about democracy are making judgments on
        the level of those eating grants. Let them be unbiased. If they
        accuse Russia, let them accuse the West too for what it did. If
        you can bombard Serbia with NATO forces how do they justify it. The
        West comes up with double standards and it is senseless to negotiate
        with them. I want us to carry out objective and pr-Armenian policy
        and not pro-Western or pro-Russian. In any case it is necessary to
        be pro-Armenians and adopt political line stemming from our state
        interests.

        Փնտրում ե՞ք խաղադրույքների հրաշալի կայքեր։ Շատ լավ, բարեբախտաբար Դուք հայտնվել եք ճիշտ տեղում։ Երբ խոսքը գնում է խաղադրույքների լավագույն կայքերի մասին, մենք դրա գիտակն ենք։
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • #64
          Re: Ukraine

          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • #65
            Re: Ukraine

            It's a done deal. The blunder Krushchev made in giving the Crimea to Ukraine has been reversed. Russia will never let that go again.
            All these sanctions the west is implemting are a hole they are digging for themselves. They know these sanctions are not going to cause Russia to give up kriem. They know, sooner or later they are going to have to undue the sanctions.
            All who sanction know they had a part in this failed attempt to isolate Russia by tearing Crimea away from Russian orbit into EU sphere by their instigation.
            China knows the west's instigation and intent in this matter also. So does the rest of the govt of the world.
            It's not a question Putin is surrounded by oligarch buddies. Who does anyone think the other main leaders of the world are surrounded by??? Saint BP (British petroleum), holy Exxon/mobile, revered IMF???
            Who is this show actually for ? The ordinary person ?
            Ever wonder why the ordinary is so important ? And yet peridoxically insignificant to the "sophisticated".
            The west knows their instigation failed. All that's left for the sophisticated to do is snivel like the conniving btchs they are.

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            • #66
              Re: Ukraine

              .


              I think the West’s biggest blunder was to have wanted Ukraine to move into their fold.

              Ukraine’s economy is such a fruit cake, and considering its size ( a big fruit cake!!), their best bet would have been to actively push it towards Russia.

              The sums that Russia had offered PLUS the favourably priced gas supplies would not have been enough to get them out of the shoot but given them a breathing space.

              Europe is struggling to come up with even a fraction of those sums.

              Considering the state of the population in some of the European member countries its just embarrassing.


              .
              Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
              Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
              Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              • #67
                Re: Ukraine

                Sounds like you are under the false impression that the west cares about Ukraine and its people.

                Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                .


                I think the West’s biggest blunder was to have wanted Ukraine to move into their fold.

                Ukraine’s economy is such a fruit cake, and considering its size ( a big fruit cake!!), their best bet would have been to actively push it towards Russia.

                The sums that Russia had offered PLUS the favourably priced gas supplies would not have been enough to get them out of the shoot but given them a breathing space.

                Europe is struggling to come up with even a fraction of those sums.

                Considering the state of the population in some of the European member countries its just embarrassing.


                .
                Hayastan or Bust.

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                • #68
                  Re: Ukraine

                  Originally posted by londontsi View Post
                  .
                  I think the West’s biggest blunder was to have wanted Ukraine to move into their fold.
                  Ukraine’s economy is such a fruit cake, and considering its size ( a big fruit cake!!), their best bet would have been to actively push it towards Russia.
                  The sums that Russia had offered PLUS the favourably priced gas supplies would not have been enough to get them out of the shoot but given them a breathing space.
                  Europe is struggling to come up with even a fraction of those sums.
                  Considering the state of the population in some of the European member countries its just embarrassing.
                  .
                  There is no way Ukraine stays afloat. This is not a country like Georgia, Armenia, or Moldova where they can pump a billion or two into, and make a massive transformation. They are asking for 35 billion dollars during 2014-15 just to not go bankrupt. There is no country in the world whose leaders can justify giving even a fraction of that sort of a money to a country with a history of failing to meet its loan and debt obligations. It seems to me all sides bit more than they could chew. The West just pushed a bit a more, and saved Russia a lot of headache. But Russia is going to have its own mess in Crimea. It seems to me though that Ukraine will crawl back to Russia soon, given Russia doesn't continue on its own destructive path. Notice that China, the country that will soon become the worlds largest economy continues to stay away from all global adventures, and all international issues, unless having to do with issues within its borders. It seems to pay off rather well for them.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Ukraine

                    Originally posted by Mher View Post
                    There is no way Ukraine stays afloat. This is not a country like Georgia, Armenia, or Moldova where they can pump a billion or two into, and make a massive transformation. They are asking for 35 billion dollars during 2014-15 just to not go bankrupt. There is no country in the world whose leaders can justify giving even a fraction of that sort of a money to a country with a history of failing to meet its loan and debt obligations. It seems to me all sides bit more than they could chew. The West just pushed a bit a more, and saved Russia a lot of headache. But Russia is going to have its own mess in Crimea. It seems to me though that Ukraine will crawl back to Russia soon, given Russia doesn't continue on its own destructive path. Notice that China, the country that will soon become the worlds largest economy continues to stay away from all global adventures, and all international issues, unless having to do with issues within its borders. It seems to pay off rather well for them.
                    Crimea is Russia thus you might as well consider this operation within Russia's borders. China is just now becoming strong enough to flex its muscles on the international stage and it is doing just that for example it is making airspace over contested territory with Japan its own..steps like this one are an example of how China is starting to act more like Russia-a imperial power. China has handled its growth rather well and will be flexing its muscles on the international stage more and more as it gets more and more powerful. Her problems will be finding ways to protect her environment and getting resources for her enormous population and its rising affluence.
                    Hayastan or Bust.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Ukraine

                      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                      Crimea is Russia thus you might as well consider this operation within Russia's borders. China is just now becoming strong enough to flex its muscles on the international stage and it is doing just that for example it is making airspace over contested territory with Japan its own..steps like this one are an example of how China is starting to act more like Russia-a imperial power. China has handled its growth rather well and will be flexing its muscles on the international stage more and more as it gets more and more powerful. Her problems will be finding ways to protect her environment and getting resources for her enormous population and its rising affluence.
                      No doubt Russia's involvement in Ukraine was more justified than the West's, but however you want to look at it, economically it will be an expensive acquisition:
                      3 billion dollars for a bridge to create an actual land connection between Russia and Crimea
                      2 billion dollars a year that Ukraine paid just to keep Crimea afloat, Russia already wrote the first $400 million check the very first day
                      billions is the total transformation in legal system, political system, currency, banks, etc
                      the issue of all water. electricty, and other key infrastructure coming through Ukraine
                      and much more

                      I think China's air space situation is still very much justified, and more of a western created "controversy", considering its still a fraction of that of Japans and more importantly an issue regarding its own borders. China though assertive on issues regarding its own sovereignty, does a good job of not creating unneeded alliances and enemies.

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