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  • #181
    Re: Ukraine


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    Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
    Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
    Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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    • #182
      Re: Ukraine

      Just what the bankers wanted, another country in endless debt...
      wsj.com
      http://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraine-finance-minister-seeks-more-bailout-financing-1426561963
      Hayastan or Bust.

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      • #183
        Re: Ukraine

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        Ukraine peace plan creaks as Russia and Ukraine row

        Source: Reuters - Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:09 GMT


        Author: Reuters

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        * Kremlin says deal now further way from being realised

        * Kiev say little optimism Russia will fulfil deal

        * Ukrainian soldier killed, five wounded in past 24 hours (Rewrites with Russia, Ukraine row)

        By Richard Balmforth

        KIEV, March 18 (Reuters) - A peace plan to end the conflict in eastern Ukraine came under renewed strain on Wednesday, with Ukraine and Russia rowing publicly over the next steps and further Ukrainian military casualties from rebel attacks testing a fragile ceasefire.

        Moscow reacted sharply after Ukraine agreed on Tuesday to confer special status on rebel-controlled eastern regions and grant them limited self-rule - but only once local elections had been held under Ukrainian law, something unpalatable for rebel leaders who have proclaimed their own "people's republics".

        Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said the Ukrainian parliament had sought to "re-write" the agreement reached in Minsk, Belarus, last month. The Kremlin said the Minsk deal was now further away from being realised than it was a few days ago.

        In Kiev, Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk responded that no one on the Ukrainian side had much optimism that Russia "and the terrorists" would readily fulfil the Minsk plan.

        "First and foremost: to comply with the Minsk agreements, the Russian bandits must clear out of the territory of Ukraine and give the possibility to Ukraine of carrying out honest and transparent elections in line with international standards," he said in televised comments at a government meeting.

        The row, which could lead the deal into a dead-end, starkly highlighted the different strategies towards the issue of self-rule in the east.



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        Kiev is pushing a decentralisation agenda in which it makes concessions aimed at blunting a drive for independence, while Moscow appears to be supporting a push by the rebels for powers that could give them veto over national policy and coming closer to officially recognising the setting-up of the two "people's republics" in Ukraine's east.

        The ceasefire struck at the summit of the leaders of Ukraine, Russia, Germany and France in Minsk came under pressure with the Kiev military saying one Ukrainian soldier had been killed in rebel attacks in the past 24 hours and five wounded.

        Fighting in a conflict in which more than 6,000 people have been killed has greatly diminished, although huge areas of Ukraine's industrialised east, including the big cities of Donetsk and Luhansk, are under rebel control.

        Heavy military equipment has been withdrawn to put the opposing sides out of range of each other's big guns in line with the agreement.

        But there is concern in Kiev that Mariupol, a port city of half a million on the Sea of Azov and which is still held by the government, could be a prime target for the Russian-backed rebels should the ceasefire collapse.

        Comments by Ukrainian leaders suggest the pro-Western leadership of President Petro Poroshenko steamrollered the law through parliament, not through any real conviction it would be acceptable to the rebels, but to show the West - whose financial and political backing it relies on - it was abiding by the deal.

        Western governments, who are backing a $40 billion aid package for Ukraine over four years, regard the Minsk agreement as still the best opportunity for a lasting settlement.

        "If (Russian President Vladimir) Putin takes a decision to attack, he will attack regardless of whether we adopt this law or not," parliament vice-speaker Andriy Parubiy said on Tuesday before the law was passed.

        Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "Judging by the last decision made by the Rada (Ukrainian parliament), we are today further from realising the Minsk agreements than we were a few days ago." (Editing by Alison Williams)
        Hayastan or Bust.

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        • #184
          Re: Ukraine

          Ukraine has refused to pay 3billion dollars it owes to Russia. Russia will take her to court but something like this can turn into a pretext to war. The IMF broke its own rules and keeps lending to a country which has defaulted on its sovereign debt. This is how nations are ruined. Now Ukraine will owe the west so much money that it will not be able to pay them either and the western banks will take ownership of the whole country. This has been done many times to many countries with the same inevitable results. Ukraine is now dead and the vultures are coming to dine.
          Hayastan or Bust.

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          • #185
            Re: Ukraine

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
            Ukraine has refused to pay 3billion dollars it owes to Russia. Russia will take her to court but something like this can turn into a pretext to war. The IMF broke its own rules and keeps lending to a country which has defaulted on its sovereign debt. This is how nations are ruined. Now Ukraine will owe the west so much money that it will not be able to pay them either and the western banks will take ownership of the whole country. This has been done many times to many countries with the same inevitable results. Ukraine is now dead and the vultures are coming to dine.
            "These banks" are what my last post in regional geopolotiics referred to.
            The west is a front for this global control scam run primarily but not exclusively by international banks.
            This list of who runs these "trans national" corporations is who manipulates various global players via the economic system.
            All this talk of Russia,USA,England,France,Germany,saud etc is ignoring the --- PRIME --- manipulator(s).
            One cannot leave such a prime factor out of the equation and expect an accurate answer.
            One cannot address drug addiction while ignoring the "pusher man".

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