Ukraine

[Haykakan]

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Today Obama was lecturing in Europe about how big nations have no right to bully smaller nations..the word hypocrisy does come to mind.

[Haykakan]

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WIKILEAKS EXPOSES DARK SIDES OF UKRAINE'S POROSHENKO, TYMOSHENKO

18:21 * 12.06.14

Two diplomatic cables made public by WikiLeaks Public Library on
US Diplomacy reveal that Ukraine's president-elect Petr Poroshenko
served as an informant for United States' State Department, the Voice
of Russia reports.

A confidential message from the US Embassy in Kiev dating back to April
29, 2006 mentions the now widely-known confectionary tycoon twice.

Back then Poroshenko reportedly handed to the US Embassy in Kiev
inside information on the plotting a coalition government in 2006,
Wikileaks say.

The message was intended for Ambassador John Herbst to update him
on how things stood in April 2006, Poroshenko describing himself
as an insider from the party Nasha Ukrayina (Our Ukraine), a bloc
associated with former President Viktor Yushchenko, passionately
welcomed by the western leaders.

The diplomat, however, questioned the authenticity of Poroshenko's
message suspecting it to be part of backdoor games aimed at arresting
once Yushchenko's allies - Yuliya Tymoshenko and Aleksandr Turchynov
until recently - acting Ukraine's President.

Who is Poroshenko - the figure to use his might and power to wind down
the deadly standoff in the country's southeast or a mere businessman
who skillfully pulls his strings - is still debated.

Other Wikileaks documents that came recently to light show that
Ukraine's former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko might have cooperated
with mafia boss Seymon Mogilievich when she headed United Energy
Systems.

In a message to Washington dated April 14, 2006, US embassy to Kiev
said that Tymoshenko could have been associated with Ukraine's crime
kingpin. The embassy referred to Internet news site Ukrainska Pravda
(UP) which reported about the illegal destruction of the Security
Service of Ukraine (SBU) files on Mogilievich upon order by then senior
Tymoshenko, who could have been thus deleting sensitive data on her
shady business with Mogilievich, as well as her illegal surveillance
of now president-elect Poroshenko.

Yulia Tymoshenko leapt to international fame in 2004 as she joined
the so-called Orange Revolution: Ukraine's citizens took to streets
back then in Kiev backing Western-favorite Viktor Yushchenko in his
appeal against the results of a presidential election. She served two
terms as prime minister under President Yushchenko and narrowly lost
to Viktor Yanukovych in the 2010 presidential race. After he came
to power Tymoshenko got a seven-year prison sentence for allegedly
negotiating a Ukraine-Russia deal on conditions unfavourable for
Ukraine. She was released from jail by a parliament decree on February
22, just before the Maidan standoff reached its deadly climax.

It was reported earlier by Wikileaks that US diplomats called the
newly-elected president of Ukraine a "disgraceful oligarch," with
his name mentioned no less than 100 times in the secret files. He is
generally pictured as an unpopular politician and in the first place
businessman who managed to gain strings in whatever government. Sheila
Guoltni, US deputy Ambassador to Ukraine, told the US Department of
State on May 26, 2006 that the image of Poroshenko was discredited by
"credible accusations of corruption" - the issue that at some point
led him to a row with ex Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

Armenian News - Tert.am

[Haykakan]

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28101812

[Haykakan]

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28283502

This may be a sign of this war getting much bigger soon.

[Haykakan]

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Here is clear evidence as to who is responsible for this war and the airplane being downed. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/wo...aine.html?_r=0
The rebels have given the black box to Malaysia and allowed access to the crash sight but as soon as investigators were to arrive the Ukrainian government launched an offensive in the exact same area insuring that any and all possible evidence will be destroyed (and then possibly bs evidence planted/doctored). It is simply sickening to watch this happen. The west is trying extremely hard to start a war with Russia now but the question is why now? I would guess its because it feels Russia will only get stronger and the west weaker from now on so this is the best time for it to attack-this is just a guess though on my part. Whatever the reason i see a big war coming which will involve many world powers---pretty scary stuff.

[lampron]

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Here is clear evidence as to who is responsible for this war and the airplane being downed. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/28/wo...aine.html?_r=0
The rebels have given the black box to Malaysia and allowed access to the crash sight but as soon as investigators were to arrive the Ukrainian government launched an offensive in the exact same area insuring that any and all possible evidence will be destroyed (and then possibly bs evidence planted/doctored). It is simply sickening to watch this happen. The west is trying extremely hard to start a war with Russia now but the question is why now? I would guess its because it feels Russia will only get stronger and the west weaker from now on so this is the best time for it to attack-this is just a guess though on my part. Whatever the reason i see a big war coming which will involve many world powers---pretty scary stuff.

You could well be right. A report somewhere a year ago or so said Russia would be the largest economy in Europe by 2020

[Haykakan]

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Here you can see who is really blocking investigators from studying the wreckage.

http://groong.usc.edu/world/msg18572.html

[londontsi]

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It appears game is up for Putin in E Ukraine.

Theoretically they could have a go at Crimea as well if they are given the political support and justification
although it would be a different ball game.

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[Haykakan]

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You guys should check this out especially the pictures(click on the "this" link to see the holes in the jetliner). The possibility that Ukraine downed the jet was a hypothesis of mine but seeing this evidence makes it atleast a theory. http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/...sian-airliner/

[Haykakan]

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Russia on Thursday banned most food imports from the West in retaliation for sanctions over Ukraine — a sweeping move that will cost Western farmers billions of dollars but could also lead to empty shelves in Russian cities.

The decision shows that President Vladimir Putin has no intention of bowing to Western pressure over Ukraine and will instead try to strike back at the West. It also demonstrated that the Kremlin is prepared to inflict damage on Russia while pursuing its course in Ukraine.

The U.S. and the EU have accused Russia, which annexed Ukraine's Crimean Peninsula in March, of fomenting tensions in eastern Ukraine by supplying arms and expertise to a pro-Moscow insurgency, and have imposed asset freezes and loan bans on a score of individuals and companies. Moscow has rejected the accusations and in turn accused the West of blocking attempts at a political settlement by giving a green light to Kiev to crush the mutiny through indiscriminate use of force, swelling civilian casualties.

A somber-looking Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said at a televised Cabinet meeting that Russia's retaliatory ban covers all imports of meat, fish, milk and milk products and fruit and vegetables from the United States, the European Union, Australia, Canada and Norway. It will last for one year.

"Until the last moment, we hoped that our foreign colleagues would understand that sanctions lead to a deadlock and no one needs them," he said. "But they didn't and the situation now requires us to take retaliatory measures."

Russia depends heavily on imported foodstuffs — most of it from the West — particularly in the largest and most prosperous cities such as Moscow. In 2013 the EU's agricultural exports to Russia totaled 11.8 billion euros ($15.8 billion), while the U.S. Department of Agriculture says food and agricultural imports from the U.S. amounted to $1.3 billion.

Medvedev argued that the ban would give Russian farmers, who have struggled to compete with Western products, a good chance to increase their market share.

But experts said that local producers will find it hard to fill the gap left by the ban, as the nation's agricultural sector has continued to suffer from poor efficiency and shortage of funds.

While the government claimed it will move quickly to replace Western imports by importing more food from Latin America, Turkey and ex-Soviet nations to avoid empty shelves and price hikes, analysts predicted that it will further speed up inflation.

The damage to consumers inflicted by the ban will be felt particularly hard in big cities like Moscow, where imported food fills an estimated 60-70 percent of the market.

Medvedev said Russia could go further and ban Western carriers from flying over Russia on flights to and from Asia — a move that would significantly swell costs and increase flight time. He said that the government is considering the move as retaliation to the EU's sanctions against Russian low-cost airline Dobrolet, but wouldn't specify when and under what conditions the move could be taken.

Medvedev made it clear that Russia hopes that the sanctions will make the West revise its policy and stop trying to pressure Russia with sanctions.

"We didn't want such developments, and I sincerely hope that our partners will put a pragmatic economic approach above bad policy considerations," he said, adding that the ban could be lifted earlier if the West shows a "constructive approach."

If the West doesn't change course, Russia may follow up by introducing restrictions regarding imports of planes, navy vessels, cars and other industrial products, Medvedev warned, but added that the government will move carefully.

"The government understands how important such cooperation is, and naturally, we have a realistic assessment of our own capacities," he said.