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  • Armanen
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    Re: Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

    Originally posted by Azad View Post
    Consider it WWIII or what ever shape that will take ... it won't be good.
    The guy hates Russians, wants to tame Islam and his favorite azz to kiss is Israel's. Imagine McCain and Lieberman his Vice President. McCain croaks and we end up with a Lieberman for a president.

    I think there may be a very good chance of mccain becoming president. The tactics that will be used against obama are that he lacks experience, his color and it would suprise me if somehow we had an "al-qaeda" scare to make people run to the republicans, who claim to be stronger on national security.

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  • Azad
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    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
    Also, it is quite possible that McCain can get elected.
    Consider it WWIII or what ever shape that will take ... it won't be good.
    The guy hates Russians, wants to tame Islam and his favorite azz to kiss is Israel's. Imagine McCain and Lieberman his Vice President. McCain croaks and we end up with a Lieberman for a president.

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  • Armanen
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    As it stands now, the West is on the offence while Russia and Iran are playing defence.
    I would say that it is Russia and Iran who are on the offensive now, mainly because of the stranglehold that Gazprom is now set to have in Europe and central asia. Also, the NPP in Iran is almost ready, and there is serious talk of setting up and opec like cartel for natural gas producers, along with Russia and Iran, Qatar seems interested in the project as well.

    BTW: great article!

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  • crusader1492
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    If you read the article, it demonstrates how the US is using psycological operations along with geo-political rifts to manipulate Turkey into war. I'm not saying the US plans will work, but they are full steam ahead.

    Also, it is quite possible that McCain can get elected.

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  • Azad
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    Re: Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
    I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced that Russia is strong enough to thwart the designs of the West.
    Russia will not make the mistake it did with Afghanistan, the same mistakes of Vietnam and Iraq. Proxy wars are the only way ... question is >> are turks stupid enough to sink their country into a disaster? turks do not have the animosity towards Iranians these days specially when turks are shifting towards Islam. There is nothing left that they didn't try to create a major war in the region no one is stupid to start one ... except if McCain is elected.

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  • crusader1492
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    Originally posted by Azad View Post
    crusader1492 your theory would have worked 5 years ago. You are keeping the most important equation out ... Russia. It is too late to create a conflict without compensating Russia. Today, I don't think there is anything Russia needs from the"West" to look the other way... just like it was forced to do with the Serbian conflict a decade ago.
    I hope you're right, but I'm not convinced that Russia is strong enough to thwart the designs of the West. In fact, I think in this great game, the West is putting fourth their best efforts to weaken Russia in the same way they are trying to weaken Iran.

    As it stands now, the West is on the offence while Russia and Iran are playing defence. Until this situation is neutralized or reversed, Armenia should have hightened-concern over the situation and in turn, become even more pro-active in its national defence.

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  • Azad
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    crusader1492 your theory would have worked 5 years ago. You are keeping the most important equation out ... Russia. It is too late to create a conflict without compensating Russia. Today, I don't think there is anything Russia needs from the"West" to look the other way... just like it was forced to do with the Serbian conflict a decade ago.

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  • crusader1492
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    The article above (divided into three diferent posts) puts into light the vast US-EU-Israel program to psycologically bait Turkey into war with Iran.

    When you read through the article, channel your thoughts through an "Armenian national interest" filter. There are many parallels between Armenia and Iran. One of the most sailient is the disinformation propagated by the US-EU-Israel alliance that Iran harbors and arms Kurdish seperatists. This is the same BS Azerbaijan and Israel are trying to stick to Armenia with their charge that the PKK has bases in Artsakh.

    With that said, make no mistake that if/when war is made against Iran, Armenia will also be attacked (by Azerbaijan, Turkey and maybe Georgia) with the covert sanctioning and aid of US-EU-Israel alliance.

    This impending war is brewing and if Armenia does not get its act together and squash these "opposition protests" (another US-EU-Israel ploy), it will be caught in a weakend position (politically and militarily) which has the potential to destroy the Armenian state for good.
    Last edited by crusader1492; 02-27-2008, 01:20 PM.

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  • crusader1492
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    ...continued

    IRANOPHOBIA OF THE TURKISH MEDIA.

    Titled PKK’s tank or Iran’s atomic bomb?’, Kadri Gursel’s article gives a perfect example of the anti-Iranian propaganda of the Turkish media: Iran provided the PKK with shelter and logistical support in the 1990's, which was a period when Turkey had a close regional cooperation with the US; it fomented terrorism by using a wing of Hezbollah and openly supported Islamic movements through its diplomatic representatives. Murderers trained by Iran killed our intellectuals. Iran did all that to destabilize Turkey, whom it sees as a natural opponent. Once Iran conducts its first nuclear test, it will become a super-power on the scale of the range of its missiles. Then it is expected to behave even more recklessly as it will have the ability to back its aggressive foreign policy with a shield of nuclear deterrence. [29] It is worth bearing in mind that there has been no war between the two countries since the signing of the Qasr-e-Shirin Peace Treaty in 1639.

    In a recent newspaper interview, former Turkish President Suleyman Demirel mentions another typical argument against Iran: They keep asking me: What is happening to us? Are we becoming like Iran? Where are we heading towards? Will these individual changes eventually turn us into an Iran? That’s the concern. The nation is anxious and frightened of the prospect of a counter-revolution. [30] In her open letter published in the Turkish daily Milliyet, Handan Haktanir, wife of Turkey’s ambassador to Tehran in 1991-94, gives a dire warning to Turkish women: against certain regulations adopted in the name of freedom in an extremely innocent manner, but then pave the way for a much more repressive regime. According to my Iranian female friends, starting with the introduction of a compulsory wearing of hijab in schools, it took three years for this insidious and gradual process to be completed and then it was too late. [31] The ad-nauseam debate on the wearing of head-scarves in public and the secular nature of the Turkish state seem to have an underlying motive of stoking hostility against Iran. In fact, barring some exceptions, even the religious extra-parliamentary opposition and media are at best ignoring the threat against Iran and at worst raising concern about Iran’s increasing sphere of influence in Iraq/the Middle East and its threat against Turkey’s national interests. Sunni prejudices against the predominantly Shia Iran certainly play a role too.

    As for the various shades of the left-wing extra-parliamentary opposition and media, exceptions apart, they don’t do much other than paying lip service to Iraq, Palestine and Guantanamo Bay. So, what is the impact of all these manipulations of Turkish citizens? The whole society is extremely polarised along ethnic, sectarian and class identities, showing excessive intolerance and mistrust to each other, in a state of fear and confusion, largely desensitised to the ongoing wars in the Middle East and Afghanistan (let alone anywhere else) and oblivious to the approaching threat against its two other neighbours, namely Iran and Syria.

    In short, Operation Gladio’s age-old ‘strategy of tension’ (IV) has proved to be quite effective.



    NEXT BIG STEP TOWARDS THE WAR: CHENEY’S VISIT IN MARCH.

    The Turkish daily Hurriyet reported xxxx Cheney’s forthcoming visit with the title ‘Cheney will come for the Mullahs’: Iran’s ‘nuclear’ threat is the reason behind the US Vice President xxxx Cheney’s plans to visit Turkey. During his visit in March, xxxx Cheney will be giving ‘serious’ messages on Iran. He will say: ‘Iran is a very serious threat. Help us and support us’. [32] The Turkish daily Aksam’s columnist Nagehan Alci expresses concern about this visit: Cheney’s last visit was in 2002 in the run up to the Iraq war to ask support from Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit for the war. He was on a big tour in the Middle East to test the mood about the war. If this visit materialises, then Cheney will be discussing the support provided by Turkish troops in Afghanistan and the situation in Iraq.

    But the main issue will be Iran. Cheney might give the signal that the option of a military intervention in Iran is on the table, but will not be talking openly about these plans. Instead, he will mention the sanctions that they want to pass at the UN Security Council. He will emphasize the need to isolate Iran and warn that Iran’s nuclear power threatens Turkey as well. (He gave a similar warning [against Iraq] in 2002). [33] In the run up to the Iraq war, there was overwhelming unity in Turkey against the war, estimated to encompass 90-95 % of Turkish citizens.

    A war against Iran will probably be very unpopular as well, but this time it appears that the Turkish citizens appear to be too distracted and divided to take the threat seriously until the last minute, while the parliament indulges in a conspiracy of silence. Hence this paper is an attempt to redress the information deficit and highlight especially the psychological operations being directed at Turkey to pave the way for conflict with Iran, so that the Turkish and world public perceive the danger and act in time to avert it. Circulation to all interested and concerned parties is encouraged.

    GLOSSARY
    (I) Operation Gladio: Originally set up as a network of clandestine cells to be activated behind the lines in the event of a Soviet invasion of Western Europe, Gladio quickly expanded into a tool for political repression and manipulation, directed by NATO and Washington. Using right-wing militias, underworld figures, government provocateurs and secret military units, Gladio not only carried out widespread terrorism, assassinations and electoral subversion in democratic states such as Italy, France and West Germany, but also bolstered fascist tyrannies in Spain and Portugal, abetted the military coup in Greece and aided Turkey's repression of the Kurds.
    (II) colour revolutions: Burma’s “Saffron Revolution,” like the Ukraine “Orange Revolution” or the Georgia “Rose Revolution” and the various colour revolutions instigated in recent years against strategic states surrounding Russia, is a well-orchestrated exercise in Washington-run regime change, down to the details of “hit-and-run” protests with “swarming” mobs of Buddhists in saffron, internet blogs, mobile SMS links between protest groups, well-organized protest cells which disperse and reform.
    (III) false flag operations: Covert opeartions conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colours; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy’s strategy of tension.
    (IV) strategy of tension: A way to control and manipulate public opinion by using fear, propaganda, disinformation, psychological warfare, agents provocateurs, as well as false flag terrorist actions. According to historian Daniele Ganser, “It is a tactic which consists in committing bombings and attributing them to others. By the term 'tension' one refers to emotional tension, to what creates a sentiment of fear. By the term 'strategy' one refers to what feeds the fear of the people towards one particular group". -----------------------------------

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  • crusader1492
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    ...continued

    THE EUROPEAN UNION’S ‘SPECIAL RELATIONSHIP’ WITH TURKEY.

    The former German Foreign Affairs Minister Joschka Fischer made the following statement in October 2006: Turkey should be a security pillar for the European community, and the efforts to derail that relationship are impossibly short-sighted. [18] Researcher Darius Mahdi Nazemroaya argues that:
    [The German] Chancellor Angela Merkel intensified her calls for the inclusion of Turkey within the framework of the E.U. through a ‘special relationship,’ but not as part of the actual European bloc. This also foreshadowed what Nicolas Sarkozy would later propose to the Turks. [18] Columnist Umur Talu explains what this ‘special relationship’ entails: French Prime Minister Sarkozy, who ‘doesn't want Turkey in the EU’, but clings to the USA and Israel and ‘wants an attack on Iran’ will adopt a ‘carrots and sticks policy’ towards Turkey.

    In other words, he will use the EU as bait for our territory, airspace and bases. [19] In fact, that Turkey became a NATO member in 1952, yet has been denied E.U. membership since the creation of the European Union is quite telling. The US and the leading EU countries have a common policy towards Turkey: They are using the PKK, accession to the EU, resolutions on the 1915 Armenian Genocide as trump cards to bring Turkish public opinion into line with the US and EU foreign policy goals. The following statement by US Democrat Brad Sherman is rather odd given the joint US-Turkish complicity in the ongoing Afghan and Iraq genocides as well as the prospect of another genocide in Iran: For if we hope to stop future genocides we need to admit to those horrific acts of the past. [20] After all, the world’s leading powers are quite adept at using past genocides/mass murders as an excuse to carry out their own genocides. [21]

    TURKISH GLADIO STILL AT WORK.

    Daniele Ganser, the author of ‘NATO's Secret Armies: Operation GLADIO and Terrorism in Western Europe’ (I) , explains an ongoing pattern across the NATO member countries: During the last 50 years the United States have organized bombings in Western Europe, [Greece and Turkey] that they have falsely been attributed to the left and the extreme left with the purpose of discrediting them in the eyes of their voters. This strategy is still present today, inspiring fear of Islam and justifying wars over oil. [22] Since the beginning of 2007, bombings, assassinations, murders, foiled plots, ultimatums to the government by the armed forces, constant speculation of an imminent coup, inland and cross-border warfare with the PKK, ‘colour revolutions’ (II) style staged democracy demonstrations, high-profile police operations, new anti-terror legislation have dominated Turkish public opinion. The detention in Istanbul [in late January] of alleged members of a shadowy Turkish ultranationalist group has revived charges that elements within the Turkish security apparatus have long tried to destabilize the country through a campaign of bombings and assassinations.

    These allegedly include false flag operations [III] that have been attributed to Kurdish separatists and violent Islamists [sic] . [23] The assassination of the leftist investigative journalist and columnist Ugur Mumcu in 1993 was seen by Turkey's secular establishment, media and armed forces as an opportunity to galvanize anti-Islamic feelings in general and anti-Iranian feelings in particular. The assassination was blamed on Iran, who allegedly used the (Turkish) Hezbollah as a pawn. In reality, the (Turkish) Sunni Hezbollah has very little in common with its namesake in Lebanon and it is an established fact that this group was created and used by Turkey's paramilitary establishment against the PKK during the 1990s.

    In fact, on the 15th anniversary of the assassination last month, Mumcu’s solicitor brother Ceyhan Mumcu made the following call to the public: Let's be careful from now on and do not claim that Ugur Mumcu was murdered by Iran. Although I've been reiterating this point frequently, unfortunately some people are still giving statements to the contrary to the press. According to my research, US took the decision to murder him in May 1992. [24] Recently, news items on (Turkish) Hezbollah have once again started appearing in the Turkish media. There are grounds to interpret this as part of a subtle psychological operation to set Turkish public opinion against Iran.

    AL QAEDA-MONGERING.

    In the last two months there has also been an increase in Al Qaeda related news reports: The security establishment has received specific intelligence information according to which al-Qaeda cells that have infiltrated Turkey and are planning to carry out terror attacks on Israeli targets and sites affiliated with the United States… Fresh security guidelines have been relayed to Israeli government agencies and businesses operating throughout Turkey in light of the threat. [25] These were followed by anti-terror operations throughout the country. [26] The threat was echoed by US Attorney General Michael Mukasey in the wake of his visit to Ankara this month: We are watching Al Qaeda closely. And we have seen in the recent period that they have increased their activities in Turkey… It appeared as though Al Qaeda may have chosen Turkey as a base. [27] Back in November 2003, researcher Michel Chossudovsky wrote that the bomb attacks on the British consulate and the HSBC bank headquarters in Istanbul coincided with President George Bush’s visit to London, which took place the day following the completion of the annual Turkish-US Joint Defense Group meeting in Williamsburg, US.

    The attacks have created conditions for a more active role of Turkey in the Iraqi war theatre. The Istanbul bombings also serve to uphold the shaky legitimacy of Prime Minister Tony Blair in the face of mounting political opposition to Britain's' participation in the US led war. [28] It looks like a similar strategy is at work in the face of another threat of war. As in the case of (Turkish) Hezbollah, it doesn’t really matter whether Al Qaeda has any connection whatsoever with Iran. This is all conflated Islamophobia and racism stoking the fire for war.

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