Consequences Of Attacking Iran And Why Tehran Is Not Worried

[JohnCanadian]

Armenia Must Stop Dealing With Iran.

Look at a map and see Armenia's neighbours, perhaps if the West had implemented Pres. Wilson's borders for Armenia it would be a different story.

Don't be so stupid. Don't blame the West for what you believe should have happened in your view. Instead Armenia should setting an example and not dealing with Iran. Armenia is at fault here because Armenia still does not understand that dealing with a country that exports terrorism and creates a major threat to world piece creates a bigger problem and unstabalises the region. This is the easy way out for the East e.g. Soviet Republics out of your own problems and faults is to blame the West for their decisions in the past.

Instead of blaming the West for what you believe should have happened Armenian's should be taking a stand and uniting against the Armenian governments decision to deal with major threats in the region.

The past is the past you cannot blame the EU or US or Canada or whatever society or country for their decisions on Armenia or the region. Armenia needs to accept responsibility that dealing with terrorists is not acceptable.

[hrai]

Re: Armenia Must Stop Dealing With Iran.

Don't be so stupid. Don't blame the West for what you believe should have happened in your view. Instead Armenia should(be) setting an example and not dealing with Iran. Armenia is at fault here because Armenia still does not understand that dealing with a country that exports terrorism and creates a major threat to world piece(sic) creates a bigger problem and unstabalises(sic) the region. This is the easy way out for the East e.g. Soviet Republics out of your own problems and faults is to blame the West for their decisions in the past.

Instead of blaming the West for what you believe should have happened Armenian's(sic) should be taking a stand and uniting against the Armenian governments decision to deal with major threats in the region.

The past is the past you cannot blame the EU or US or Canada or whatever society or country for their decisions on Armenia or the region. Armenia needs to accept responsibility that dealing with terrorists is not acceptable.

Okay guy. You ask people not to be rude about your comments just because they have opposing views to you yet you call me stupid? Is that not rude?
Did you look at the map of Armenia?
Have you noticed who Armenias neighbours are?
In your view Armenia should have dealings with only one neighbouring state?
Are you aware of links with Iran which stretch back for millenia? (long before your precious Canada/EU)
Questionable as they may be, I prefer those links with Iran than with the multi-faced azeri-loving Georgians.
Can you understand why Armenia must keep relations with Iran?
I'm guessing your answers to the above are no.
With all due respect, which country in the view of this forum is more guilty of exporting terrorism, creating major threats to world peace, creating a bigger problem and destabilising the region?
For me, it's good Ol' Uncle Sam and his puppy NATO............

If you want to continue discussing this, fine, but quit with the insults.

[hipeter924]

Re: Iran a threat to the region, a threat to the world

Wow, you really are a parrot for the Western media. The real threat to peace and prosperity around the world is the illegitimate terrorist state of Israel.

You should really read up a bit more. Israel has nukes. Its not going away. The only way to make it see reason is not through war...it has defeated the arabs easily time and time again. The only path to peace is if the Palestinians face facts...the only way they keep their land is if they become part of Israel. We should be pushing for the Palestinians and Israeli's being treated fairly and equal as well as represented democratically in Israel. Because there is two solutions: nuclear warfare or peaceful reconciliation.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Israel a threat to the region, a threat to the world

You should really read up a bit more. Israel has nukes. Its not going away. The only way to make it see reason is not through war...it has defeated the arabs easily time and time again. The only path to peace is if the Palestinians face facts...the only way they keep their land is if they become part of Israel. We should be pushing for the Palestinians and Israeli's being treated fairly and equal as well as represented democratically in Israel. Because there is two solutions: nuclear warfare or peaceful reconciliation.

First and foremost, we should stop listening to media outlets run by an Israeli agenda and form our own opinions instead of regurgitating the exact same crap we hear from CNN and FOX news. Israel has nukes, so do a lot of other nations. The only way to peace is balance of power. The world leaders should be working towards disarming themselves instead of playing the "my nuke is bigger than yours" game. And we all know who those nations are. Let me give you a hint. Haiti isn't one of them.

I consider any nation with nukes as terrorists.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenia Must Stop Dealing With Iran.

Don't be so stupid. Don't blame the West for what you believe should have happened in your view. Instead Armenia should setting an example and not dealing with Iran. Armenia is at fault here because Armenia still does not understand that dealing with a country that exports terrorism and creates a major threat to world piece creates a bigger problem and unstabalises the region. This is the easy way out for the East e.g. Soviet Republics out of your own problems and faults is to blame the West for their decisions in the past.

Instead of blaming the West for what you believe should have happened Armenian's should be taking a stand and uniting against the Armenian governments decision to deal with major threats in the region.

The past is the past you cannot blame the EU or US or Canada or whatever society or country for their decisions on Armenia or the region. Armenia needs to accept responsibility that dealing with terrorists is not acceptable.

You have no idea what you are talking about Mr.JohnCanadian.
You blame Armenia for causing the problems and destabilizing the region when you have absolutely no clue of the geopolitics of that area. Do you really believe Armenia has any choices or it can stand as an example in that region?
If you would have bothered to do a little research you would understand that this land locked little Armenia blockaded from both sides from Turkey and “Azerbaijan” with Georgia as Turkish ally while Armenia still pushing to be more independent from Russia is doing all it can to survive against all odds…………..with the West sending more support and aid to its enemies.

The relations with Iran are strictly economical and needed for basic survival of this improvised country. The threat of attack by Israel and the West could close that little mountainous border with Armenia and hurt us while our government supports the West the best it can (nobody else would have) under the circumstances.
Then you have the gull to tell us to rise against our government and just forget the past knowing very well that we are still under a grave danger. Who do you think you are?

It appears sir that it is YOU who is most uninformed on this subject or you would not have opened your mouth like that. I suggest that you think very hard before answering and not look at the world through your rozy glasses.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenia Must Stop Dealing With Iran.

Okay guy. You ask people not to be rude about your comments just because they have opposing views to you yet you call me stupid? Is that not rude?
Did you look at the map of Armenia?
Have you noticed who Armenias neighbours are?
In your view Armenia should have dealings with only one neighbouring state?
Are you aware of links with Iran which stretch back for millenia? (long before your precious Canada/EU)
Questionable as they may be, I prefer those links with Iran than with the multi-faced azeri-loving Georgians.
Can you understand why Armenia must keep relations with Iran?
I'm guessing your answers to the above are no.
With all due respect, which country in the view of this forum is more guilty of exporting terrorism, creating major threats to world peace, creating a bigger problem and destabilising the region?
For me, it's good Ol' Uncle Sam and his puppy NATO............

If you want to continue discussing this, fine, but quit with the insults.

Very good points Hrai jan. Indeed, who do we have for friends in the vicinity? None other than Iran. Russia was so called friends but now they're playing politics with the azeris for the oil, for Russia's economy. And then let's see. We have Georgia who is acting very badly with our Javaxk's Armenian people and lands and being kiss behinds with the tatars the "azeris". We have turkey and the fake azerbaijan, the tatars. A numero ouno two venim enemies. And especially today who is with our noumero ouno enemies? The U.S.'s Zionist Jew infested congressional bodies. Then we have the UN, another Zionist Jews followers being controlled by the U.S.

The only ones that are not in this Jew infested nation, I hope and I hope again is Canada. Otherwise France and probably Germany sympathize us because the Germans have a great many furkish population in their country that they probably detest.

Coming back in our immediate vacinity all I see is Iran who are collaborating with us without preconditions, mreconditions and pretty much in good faith, regardless of the fact that they are Muslims, but still a decent good neighbor.

[Anoush]

Re: Armenia Must Stop Dealing With Iran.

You have no idea what you are talking about Mr.JohnCanadian.
You blame Armenia for causing the problems and destabilizing the region when you have absolutely no clue of the geopolitics of that area. Do you really believe Armenia has any choices or it can stand as an example in that region?
If you would have bothered to do a little research you would understand that this land locked little Armenia blockaded from both sides from Turkey and “Azerbaijan” with Georgia as Turkish ally while Armenia still pushing to be more independent from Russia is doing all it can to survive against all odds…………..with the West sending more support and aid to its enemies.

The relations with Iran are strictly economical and needed for basic survival of this improvised country. The threat of attack by Israel and the West could close that little mountainous border with Armenia and hurt us while our government supports the West the best it can (nobody else would have) under the circumstances.
Then you have the gull to tell us to rise against our government and just forget the past knowing very well that we are still under a grave danger. Who do you think you are?

It appears sir that it is YOU who is most uninformed on this subject or you would not have opened your mouth like that. I suggest that you think very hard before answering and not look at the world through your rozy glasses.

Well put Eddo jan. Or you should say rozy glasses of what the total Jewish media from the U.S. puts it out for Baron JohnCanadian to see. If he reads between the lines or at least reads British and European papers, undoubtedly he will be much better informed of the truth that surrounds us than he is now.

[Anoush]

Re: Iran a threat to the region, a threat to the world

Wow, you really are a parrot for the Western media. The real threat to peace and prosperity around the world is the illegitimate terrorist state of Israel.

Unfortunately so KanadaHye, but you said a mouthful.

I just read the article that Israelites put it out on April 18 and it is very scary guys, very scary. Nothing stops those Zionists from attacking anyone and everyone that stands even a little bit on their way.

I am referring about this scary article printed above.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=30595

[Eddo211]

Re: Iran a threat to the region, a threat to the world

Unfortunately so KanadaHye, but you said a mouthful.

I just read the article that Israelites put it out on April 18 and it is very scary guys, very scary. Nothing stops those Zionists from attacking anyone and everyone that stands even a little bit on their way.

I am referring about this scary article printed above.

http://www.panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=30595

If they are stupid enough to attack without US support then they will get what they deserve which will be a very high price. I personally do not think they will…………at least not until the results of the elections in Iran.

Anoush jan, that article is troublesome but what is really scary is the language in Israel. Already the new PM has declared Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel and it shall never be Palestinians and that two states of Palestine and Israel cannot live together.

Here is a typical article that has a majority support in Israel. Now this type of mentality is what is scary because it leaves no other choice but perpetual war.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3715939,00.html

Obama the rookie
US president’s disastrous Middle Eastern policy will not stop Iran

Mordechai Kedar
Published:
05.14.09, 12:39 / Israel Opinion


Thirty years ago, at the end of 1978 and beginning of 1979, US President Jimmy Carter’s blind approach and his obsessive concern for human rights everywhere, and particularly in the Shah-ruled Iran, prompted Khomeini’s rise and brought Khomeinism to power. Carter did not permit the Shah to handle the protests against him, that is, to disperse them with gunfire. The result was the ayatollah takeover of Iran and the murder of thousands of Shah Supporters. Everything the world suffered, is suffering, and will suffer because of Iran is the direct result of the short-sightedness of an American president who understood nothing in the ways of the Middle East.

The enduring problem of American politicians is that they view the world via their own cultural lenses and think that “if only we engage in dialogue with the others” they will be “like us,” “just like everyone else,” and “will become nice”; if only we give them jobs and comply with their “just” demands (the right of return, our capital which never had Palestinian significance, unwillingness to recognize our state, etc.) they will go to work in the morning and return in the evening to play with their children and fish.

Obama is currently making the same mistakes Carter did. He naively thinks that through dialogue with the ayatollahs he will achieve what the Europeans have failed to achieve for many years. He refuses to read what many researchers, politicians, and statesmen worldwide write, and refuses to listen to all those concerned by Iran – Arabs, Israelis, and Europeans – who have no doubt that the ayatollahs intend to first take over the Middle East, and later possibly take over the entire world, should they be given the chance.

Only a blind person would not see the manner in which Iran, even before it has turned nuclear, quickly changes the face of the Middle East. Iran’s long arms are already tightly grasping Lebanon, Iraq, and Gaza, and are also decisively and powerfully directed at other states such as Egypt, Morocco, Jordan, Oman, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia.

Only a deaf person would not hear the cries of distress emerging from the Arab world (irrespective of Israel and its concerns,) as its leaders see the Persians, their historically hated rivals, rattling their sabres en route to paying back the Bedouins of the desert, uncultured barbarians in their view, for ruining, in the seventh century, the Persian nation, which was educated, progressive and modern at the time.

Only a blind person would fail to see the preparations undertaken by Iran’s Shiite leaders en route to taking their revenge on the Sunnis for 1,350 years of oppression, persecution, and assassinations undertaken by the Sunnis against the Shiite opposition any time and any place they could do it.

Israel’s disappearance to make no difference

Obama thinks that if only Israel will be reduced to the size appropriate for it, that is, the 1949 borders (the “Auschwitz borders” in the words of Abba Eban, a peace-loving dove,) the Arab and Muslim world will sit around the bonfire with the Americas and sing. Some members of his team believe that Israel is the source of the problems in the Arab and Islamic world, and that if only peace will prevail between Israel and the Palestinians, the problems of Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, Lebanon, the Shiites, the Sunnis, al-Qaeda, and the Islamic Brotherhood will be resolved at once.

I hereby offer Obama and his people very important information: Even if Israel decides to evaporate, disappear, and wipe itself off the map, all the other problems will continue to kill, just as was the case when Israel existed.

Only an American president who decided to engineer the Arab and Islamic world in line with American standards can fall and make others fall into the trap of historical mistakes that Carter and Bush fell into, each in their own time and style. As a result of their errors, thousands of people in the region were massacred, killed, and wounded.

The American president conducts himself vis-à-vis the Arab and Islamic world like a rookie trying to command an armored division. Obama is rushing forwarded on an imaginary horse, and the people of the region can only hope that his terrible mistakes will not cost the lives of additional thousands.

The gravest matter of all is that some Israelis played a significant role in shaping Obama’s mistakes, and the blood of their brethren, other Israelis, will be the price we shall pay for the actions of those who sold Obama their imaginations, along with several foolish ideas that undermined our security and our self-confidence.

Dr. Mordechai Kedar is a lecturer at Bar-Ilan University’s department of Arabic

[KanadaHye]

Re: Israel a threat to the region, a threat to the world

If they are stupid enough to attack without US support then they will get what they deserve which will be a very high price. I personally do not think they will…………at least not until the results of the elections in Iran.

Anoush jan, that article is troublesome but what is really scary is the language in Israel. Already the new PM has declared Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel and it shall never be Palestinians and that two states of Palestine and Israel cannot live together.

Here is a typical article that has a majority support in Israel. Now this type of mentality is what is scary because it leaves no other choice but perpetual war.

Now that I think about it, Israel doesn't really need US support. The chaos that would erupt from attacking Iran would automatically pull the US military into the battle as they are already operating both east and west of Iran in Afghanistan and Iraq. I really don't see any positive outcomes from Israel's mentality. They are convinced that nothing should stand in their way of a greater Israel. Let's just hope this is all a sinister plot to mess with the markets and oil prices by playing on the fear and greed of people.