Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

When was the last time a news agency was shut down in the U.S.?

Abush, that's because 'everything' in the mainstream media is owned by the corporate elite that run the country. Tell me you didn't know this... However, there has been right wing publications that have been shutdown for hate speech.

In your utter desperation to come out on top in this debate you are doing a magnificent job of making a total ass of yourself in public.

Has a news agency ever been shut down in the 'new' Armenian republic?

No it hasn't, to my knowledge. However are are some that should.

You tell me, what chances would Vladimir Putin have if he wanted to set up media outlets and Russian government funded NGOs in the US with the hopes of bring about a "revolution" of sorts in the US.

Nonetheless, where the xxxx did the idea of free speech or free press come from? Where and when has speech or the press been free on earth?

Why is your intellect so minuscule?

Between 1922 and 1992, Armenian was part of the Soviet Republic.

First of all, the years are 1921 to 1991 - seventy years.

During this period, several dissident writers and journalists were intimidated, jailed or worse.

Abush, we are 'not' discussing communist era. Whatever was done back then it was done by Soviet/Bolshevik authorities for geopolitical reasons. We are discussing the current ARMENIAN REPUBLIC.

And who is denying the intimidation of foreign sponsored activists and troublesome journalists in Armenia? Let me remind you that you were discussing "Ara" a so-called writer/poet getting "jailed or worst" for his crappy work. I am still waiting for an example.

So, if Armenia does not have to follow the West's rules, then how can Armenia compel or influence Turkey to follow those rules. Geez, you two are a couple of sophmoric pedestrians.

Following the West's rules will compel Turkey to follow those rules You turned out to be a total psychopath

Oh-my-God... This is absolutely amazing

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

And, from the great state of Rhode Island, Crusader1492 expresses that he knows what is best for Armenia and identifies enemies of the state.

So, the Armenian constitution, there is one of those right, its really just a bunch of hogwash, right?

http://www.armeniapedia.org/index.php?title=Armenian_Constitution

Article 24 Everyone is entitled to assert his or her opinion. No one shall be forced to retract or change his or her opinion. Everyone is entitled to freedom of speech, including the freedom to seek, receive and disseminate information and ideas through any medium of information, regardless of state borders.

And, the Armenian judicial system, its just for show.

More, and, more, you're both proving to be in the recognized class of 'dupes' referred to by Mr. Baliozian.

Do you have any ability to think for yourselves? Because if you do, you are not articulating it.

When a government, regardless of location, does not abide by its own 'rules', revolution, whether by vote or by arms is a reasonable option.

So, if Armenia does not have to follow the West's rules, then how can Armenia compel or influence Turkey to follow those rules. Geez, you two are a couple of sophmoric pedestrians.

P.S. Whether you like it or not, the communist era is part and parcel of Armenian history. Its part of Armenia. Some of the same machinery of that era is still at play today.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Do American journalists in America self-censor? Do European journalists in Europe self-censor? Do Asian journalists in Asia self-censor? Do Middle Eastern journalists in the Middle East self-censor?

If so, why?

But, again. This is not the topic of discussion. Go back and read your comment. You are being a pathetic little child.



Yes, for very good reasons. And more should be shut down as well. And again, this is not the topic of discussion. You are being a pathetic little child.



What should have happened to Levin Ter Petrostein and his followers is getting lined up in front of a wall and shot for treason.

You are so pathetic that you are now defending the indefensible.



Show me where on earth it isn't.



There is no such thing as democracy. Armenia cannot afford attempting such suicidal programs. Just imagine - the likes of you, Ara and LTP voting for government? No xxxxing way.



Ok, this is where the conversation is getting a bit too freaky, what the xxxx are you now blabbering about?

I see you responded before I did. Anyway, among everything else, I see we agree that Freaky is acting like a little girl.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Do Armenian journalists in Armenia self-censor?

No more and no less than MSNBCBSFOX news. Why should the Armenian Government (or any other government for that matter) play by the "rules" the west makes for them when the west cares little for these "rules"?

Have Armenian media agencies been shut down in the 'new' Republic??

Only ones that are deemed to weaken the will of a nation to survive...the ones that inspire "rose revolutions".

Did you see what happened to Ter-Petrossyan's campaign office and some of his followers within the past 48 hours? ?

LTP is a proven traitor to the Armenian people and he is America's and Europe's lacky who are actively against Armenia's interests.

Are you kidding me? The two of you are knuckleheads.?

Calm down and stop acting like a little girl...what happened to the Freaky that likes to quote Don Quixote?

Prior restraint should not be condoned anymore than imprisonment or violence.

Armenia media in Armenia and the diaspora is mainly state-controlled (i.e. arms of political organizations) or run by wealthy individuals. This is a true statement.

So, if you silence yourself before you speak out against a political organization in power or a wealthy individual, for fear of retribution - how is that any better or freer than speaking and getting your liberty, health or life taken??

Freaky wants a democracy and he wants it NOW!

Prior restraint is just as violent as getting a club to your head.

How is that any better for a free, democratic Armenia? Something that Ara has pointed to I believe.

And, except for perhaps non-stop travel between Yerevan and Jerusalem, I don't see Israel dumping military know-how and financial support in Armenia but they sure are helping Turkey and Azerbaijan. Turkey and Azerbaijan, their our friends, right??

Do you really think that if Armenia got on board with the West, that Isreal would "dump" military know-how and finacial support to Armenia?
Russia has better weapons anyway.

Oh yeah, in your mixed up view of reality, Israel is really a Christian nation, right??

Again, stop being a little girl.

P.S. Armenian and Crusader1492, thank you for admitting that the majority of my positions concerning your conduct toward Ara is true and also, Armenian, when you admit that there is not free press or free speech in Armenia, you actually confirm some of the thrust of Ara's ramblings. Of course, you are unable to recognize this.

Seeing as you are far removed from reality, a statement like this is fitting. Anyway, if that makes you feel better, you're welcome.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Are you xxxxing serious? Where do all you freaks come from? Do you anything about the Armenian Republic? I bet you haven't even stepped foot there. Please, tell do us: When was the last time a writer/thinker/poet was "jailed or worst" for his or her work in Armenia - especially incoherent rants like the ones Ara produces? If you can't come up with an example, and you won't, I expect you to apologize and delete your stupid comment. What a joke you are. What else could I have expected from an Ara fan...

Between 1922 and 1992, Armenian was part of the Soviet Republic.

During this period, several dissident writers and journalists were intimidated, jailed or worse.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/6493229.stm (Andranik Magaryan jailed during Soviet era)

http://www.topix.net/world/armenia/2...ident-tvs-woes (Armenian government comes after TV station that gives Ter-Petrosyan air time)

http://www.hairenik.com/armenianweekly/cty09290704.htm (Lack of critical thought or self-reference amongst modern Armenians)

I can expand on this train of thought, but I won't waste my time as it will have litte if any significance on your warped perception.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Bro, Armenian, you are far scarier than Mr. Baliozian. Very scary. In fact, ugly.

When was the last time a news agency was shut down in the U.S.?

Has a news agency ever been shut down in the 'new' Armenian republic?

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Do Armenian journalists in Armenia self-censor? If so, why?

Do American journalists in America self-censor? Do European journalists in Europe self-censor? Do Asian journalists in Asia self-censor? Do Middle Eastern journalists in the Middle East self-censor?

If so, why?

But, again. This is not the topic of discussion. Go back and read your comment. You are being a pathetic little child.

Have Armenian media agencies been shut down in the 'new' Republic?

Yes, for very good reasons. And more should be shut down as well. And again, this is not the topic of discussion. You are being a pathetic little child.

Did you see what happened to Ter-Petrossyan's campaign office and some of his followers within the past 48 hours?

What should have happened to Levin Ter Petrostein and his followers is getting lined up in front of a wall and shot for treason.

You are so pathetic that you are now defending the indefensible.

Armenia media in Armenia and the diaspora is mainly state-controlled (i.e. arms of political organizations) or run by wealthy individuals. This is a true statement.

Show me where on earth it isn't.

How is that any better for a free, democratic Armenia? Something that Ara has pointed to I believe.

There is no such thing as democracy. Armenia cannot afford attempting such suicidal programs. Just imagine - the likes of you, Ara and LTP voting for government? No xxxxing way.

And, except for perhaps non-stop travel between Yerevan and Jerusalem, I don't see Israel dumping military know-how and financial support in Armenia but they sure are helping Turkey and Azerbaijan. Oh yeah, in your mixed up view of reality, Israel is really a Christian nation, right?

Ok, this is where the conversation is getting a bit too freaky, what the xxxx are you now blabbering about?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Do Armenian journalists in Armenia self-censor?

If so, why?

Have Armenian media agencies been shut down in the 'new' Republic?

Did you see what happened to Ter-Petrossyan's campaign office and some of his followers within the past 48 hours?

Are you kidding me? The two of you are knuckleheads.

Prior restraint should not be condoned anymore than imprisonment or violence.

Armenia media in Armenia and the diaspora is mainly state-controlled (i.e. arms of political organizations) or run by wealthy individuals. This is a true statement.

So, if you silence yourself before you speak out against a political organization in power or a wealthy individual, for fear of retribution - how is that any better or freer than speaking and getting your liberty, health or life taken?

Prior restraint is just as violent as getting a club to your head.

How is that any better for a free, democratic Armenia? Something that Ara has pointed to I believe.

And, except for perhaps non-stop travel between Yerevan and Jerusalem, I don't see Israel dumping military know-how and financial support in Armenia but they sure are helping Turkey and Azerbaijan. Turkey and Azerbaijan, their our friends, right?

Oh yeah, in your mixed up view of reality, Israel is really a Christian nation, right?

P.S. Armenian and Crusader1492, thank you for admitting that the majority of my positions concerning your conduct toward Ara is true and also, Armenian, when you admit that there is not free press or free speech in Armenia, you actually confirm some of the thrust of Ara's ramblings. Of course, you are unable to recognize this.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Which Armenian Republic? That's a fair question, right? And, what is your connection to the Armenian Republic between 1992 and today? Or, 1918 and 1922? Or, or.. How can you be an Armenian when you live among the Diaspora.

Unless you have a time machine, then NO, it is not a fair question - It is a screwball statement that has no bearing whatsoever.

You are a phony nationalist!

THAT'S "HATE SPEECH"

...I fully agree. There is no such thing as "free press" or "free speech" in the western world. You as a fan of Jews must realize this very fact quite well. When journalists/activists in places like Armenia get out of hand and stick thier noses where it don't belong authorities put them in jail, or they get beaten up in some dark ally. When the same situation occurs in the West, the powerful elite have mechanisms that make sure they loose their livelihood, or simply disappear....

...Sibel Edmonds comes to mind.

However, as I highlighted above this is not the topic of discussion.

I ask you again: Verify or retract your foolish comment.

Some people are not big enough to admit when they are wrong. Don't hold your breath.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Which Armenian Republic? That's a fair question, right?

You got caught with your pants down and now you want to play verbal gymnastics. How typical...

Since we are living in the current, let's go for the obvious choice - the current Armenian Republic. How's that?

And, what is your connection to the Armenian Republic between 1992 and today? Or, 1918 and 1922? Or, or.. How can you be an Armenian when you live among the Diaspora. You are a phony nationalist!

Don't worry about my personal contributions/attachments/plans regarding my homeland. If the topic interests you, worry about what your connection is.

Are you claiming that journalists, or mere citizens, have not been intimidated by the state in Armenia? C'mon, bro.

More after the fact spin. We are not talking about Armenians getting caught between serious political disputes - we are talking about "He has not engaged in hate speech. But, if he were in Armenia, he could possibly be jailed or worse."

So, be a nice little Ara fan and stay on topic please. I suggest you to be true to your rhetoric. You are revealing intellectual corruption.

You are being intellectually insincere. Media outlets in the U.S. experience government pressure from time to time and we are in the most liberated Republic of them all.

I fully agree. There is no such thing as "free press" or "free speech" in the western world. You as a fan of Jews must realize this very fact quite well. When journalists/activists in places like Armenia get out of hand and stick thier noses where it don't belong authorities put them in jail, or they get beaten up in some dark ally. When the same situation occurs in the West, the powerful elite have mechanisms that make sure they loose their livelihood, or simply disappear...

However, as I highlighted above this is not the topic of discussion.

I ask you again: Verify or retract your foolish comment.