Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I don't think Ara's ramblings, if you wish to characterize them that way, amount to hate speech and I find it rather irresponsible for someone to anonymously characterize his rantings as hate speech. Some could opine that you and others have been hateful towards him.

Heck, e.g., you try to marginalize him but his contributions to the literary world are well noted. Which one are you, Don Quixote or the windmills?

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Also, if you have gained any wisdom from your time in the service or just spinning on this big rock, you shouldn't bother a fool to let him know he is one (if that is in fact what you are doing) lest you want to be considered a fool's fool and you shouldn't disparage your elders.

I would agree with you except for the fact that the fool in question is proselytizing with ubiquitous post that go well beyond critisim...his posts are hateful.
I am against this.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

I've never met Ara in my life. And, I don't necessarily agree with everything he says.

But, I do agree he has a right to say it sans ad hominem attacks.

As for anti-semitism, I am not an anti-semite.

You've been duped by the media and political organizations charading as human rights organizations to believe that a criticism or observation of how one ethnicity or religious group politicizes its tragedies while minimalizing the tragedies of others (e.g. AG) and marketing other tragedies (e.g., Save Darfur) is evidence of anti-semitism.

And this some how goes back to Ara. He rails against our leaders. He's entitled to. Certainly, our American Armenian leaders take advantage of us too.

They have been blowing the same horn for years without fully understanding the powers that be in D.C. and in their own backyard with respect to the majority of the American diaspora population. After 35 years, they are unable to influence public opinion through traditional MSM and despite claiming grass-roots have very little ability to swell the masses on the ground. You could claim that they are naive. Or, perhaps their followers are.

In the same way, you could argue that Turkish Armenian leaders took advantage of those that perished. I think this is a vein of Ara's position. From what I gather, he points to the corrupt individual or group.

That he is Armenian and criticizes Armenians should be of little or no import to his message.

Also, if you have gained any wisdom from your time in the service or just spinning on this big rock, you shouldn't bother a fool to let him know he is one (if that is in fact what you are doing) lest you want to be considered a fool's fool and you shouldn't disparage your elders.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Monday, January 28, 2008
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On "attcking" Ara
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Many unsuspecting Armenians (and non-Armenians alike) come to this forum to learn more about Armenian identity, only to be bombarded by Ara's unbalanced and scornful remarks one everything Armenian...remarks made under the guise of "critisism".
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Ara, style of writing is fortune-cookie like, filled with self-righteous rants.
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Ara, diolaoge is one-way. He does not respond to thoughtful criticisms...other opinions are beneath him.
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Ara's thoughts are given a false sence of legitimacy as they are buttressed by the collusion from his "dupes" (FreakyFreaky and Siamanto to name a few)
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Alas, Ara, our "resident poet" and son of a Genocide survivor, comes off as a sage-like figure to the unsuspecting Armenian who wants to learn more about Armenian identity
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What would this unsuspecting Armenian think of Armenians after reading Ara's posts? Posts with the purpose of eroding Armenian dignity.
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I will continue to "attack" Ara in order to expose him as a charlatan, unworthy of being called an Armenian. I will do it with a smile on my face and the Mer Hyrenik in my heart.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Monday, January 28, 2008
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On "attacking" Ara
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Many unsuspecting Armenians (and non-Armenians alike) come to this forum to learn more about Armenian identity, only to be bombarded by Ara's unbalanced and scornful remarks one everything Armenian...remarks made under the guise of "critisism".
*
Ara's style of writing is fortune-cookie like, filled with self-righteous rants.
*
Ara's diolaoge is one-way. He does not respond to thoughtful criticisms...the opinions of other Armenians are beneath him.
*
Ara's thoughts are given a false sence of legitimacy as they are buttressed by the collusion from his "dupes" (FreakyFreaky and Siamanto to name a few).
*
Alas, Ara, our "resident poet" and son of a Genocide survivor, comes off as a sage-like figure to the unsuspecting Armenian who wants to learn more about Armenian identity.
*
What would this unsuspecting Armenian think of Armenians after reading Ara's posts? Posts with the purpose of eroding Armenian dignity.
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I will continue to "attack" Ara in order to expose him as a charlatan, unworthy of his Armenian lineage.
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I will do it with a "hooligan's" zeal...with a smile on my face and the Mer Hyrenik in my heart.

[Armenian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Ara, all I can say is that some of the detractors
on this board have no idea what they are railing against;

Your a naughty-naughty freak, does Ara know about your antisemitism?

[freakyfreaky]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Ara, all I can say is that some of the detractors on this board have no idea what they are railing against; especially, when it comes to you (attacking your position is one thing, attacking you is just wrong).

http://www.azad-hye.net/news/viewnews.asp?newsId=884sgh16

http://www.narek.com/arabaliozian.htm

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Monday, January 28, 2008
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ON TURKISH LOVE & ARMENIAN HATRED
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If Turks love me and Armenians hate me (this according to one of my gentle anonymous readers on the Internet)...

That's me!

...it may be because Turks are not always wrong and Armenians not always right -- especially when it comes to judging their fellow Armenians.
To avoid recognizing the devil in us we demonize others –i.e. we project. In the same way that xxxs demonize anti-Semites, and some blacks demonize white men (“White man is the devil”), we demonize not only Turks and the Great Powers of the West, but also anyone who dares not to be on our side. On more than one occasion I have myself been demonized by fellow Armenians simply because I refuse to parrot their favorite brand of propaganda. Hence my skepticism of all blame-games.
Playing the blame-game might as well be synonymous with being infallible, and being infallible means an inability to learn from one’s mistakes, because in order to learn from them one must first admit them.
An addict of the blame-game is a morally bankrupt man because he’d rather lose his reason than give up his addiction.
As for Turks loving me: as far as I know, Turks don’t read me, and if they read me, they don’t comment on what I write. The only Turk who has written me agrees with me that Armeno-Turkish relations will have a better chance to improve on the day extremists on both sides are marginalized thus allowing the moderates the upper hand.

Keep trying...one day you will reach you goal of endearing yourself to the Turk of the world. Hold on to your dream!

As for Armenians who hate me: I also have a good number of Armenian readers who agree with me...

Sure they do

...and others who are critical only because I don’t go far enough in my criticism. My comment on Armenians who hate me: their verbal abuse is such that it does not require any comment on my part.

Stop it Ara, you are killing me

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

sooner or later you have to confront the fact that you come across as someone who is not only a coward but also dishonest enough not to admit it.

You see Ara, just because you (of all people ) are calling me a coward (for the 10th time), it does not make it so. BTW, what was it again...the reason I'm a coward? Because I post anonomously? Are you the only brave one here then?

Also Ara, your foolish efforts to slander me will not make others think your writing is worthy of reading (much less to be considered seriously).
Regardless of that, I'm glad I inspire you. It makes me feel good that I am helping a self-professed failure feel somewhat relevant. It is good to have some sense of purpose as you get on in years.

Anyway Ara, from one "coward" to another coward ...happy birthday!

[arabaliozian]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

THE MEETING OF THE TWAIN
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It has been said that the East is more religious, mystical, metaphysical.
By contrast, the West is more pragmatic, scientific, skeptical.
Armenians, who happen to be in the middle, appear to have learned the worst from both camps. To justify their partisan or parochial loyalties, they adopt metaphysical reasons which are not easy to refute, hence, their longevity.
But to promote their own interests, they adopt pragmatic methods, hence, such
phenomena as full-page ads in the NEW YORK TIMES promoting the sale of Oriental rugs in our cathedrals. (Some of these rugs, I am informed by eyewitnesses, bear a label that says "Made in Turkey.")
Dear Mr. Kipling: You were not quite right when you said "East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet." The twain have met in us and the result, alas, cannot be said to be an edifying spectacle.