Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

"Genius,"
The fact that Armenia and Artsakh have a scalable and organized military organization suggests that my views are already shared by Armenia's leadership - and every other organized nation.
Your Central Asian mentality, mindset and values are only good for small armed groups, gangs and hooligans.
As usual, you don't understand much; yet freely open your big mouth!

You're an ornery one. Amot kez.

The fact that a nation state has a military is not a novel idea...you, nor the Armenian leadership were not the first to think of this

BTW, this has nothing to do with what I said from my previous quote...
I commended Hye Amrotz because he essentially said that Armenia needs to deal with the Turks at the same level that they attempt to deal with Armenia. This is the only way Armenian can survive against them. All historic evidence bolsters this argument.

In your thinking, you would have Armenia act as if the behavior of Turkey and Azerbaijan was tantamount to that of Switzerland.
In short, you're living in la la land.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Are you saying that all nations who have developed a viable National Defense System and/or Doctrine, have based it on Central Asian mentality and Jurkish values? Of course not! There exists many other (martial) value systems and philosophies, besides Central Asian/Jurkish/Dr. Junkenstein hooliganism to serve as a basis of a (National) Defense System.

What you call a Central Asian mentality, I call Armenian National Interests (ANI). ANI need to be advanced and protected at any cost. National Interests are always the foundation of any national defense doctrine of any country, so literally all of these different “(martial) value systems and philosophies” that exist worldwide are based on National Interests.

Furthermore, Central Asian/Jurkish/Dr. Junkenstein hooliganism - as an organizational form - does not scale up to the level of a nation and is appropriate only for what it is meant for i.e. hooliganism and harrassment of the defenseless. Even the Ottomans had to look beyond their Jurkish values in order to build a scalable army.

Whether in the smoky field of the battlefield or in the smoky room of negotiations there is one thing that is always crystal clear: Those who grasp the National Interests and act accordingly will win while those who can’t will lose, which is precisely what happened to us in the past with the Turks. We lost because we failed to understand and implement the ANI, while the Turk successfully applied his National Interests on us and won. But we will never make that mistake again. Even if the majority of our people disagree with us, even if a patriotic person like yourself would become disgusted with our ways of dealing with our enemies - We will implement it and we will win!

Siamanto,

Read the works of Shahan Natali and Garegin Nzhdeh and you will understand my position even better.

[Siamanto]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Opinion's such as Siamanto's are fine as long as they don't find there way to Armenia's leadership...dangerous ideas implemented are just that: dangerous.

"Genius,"
The fact that Armenia and Artsakh have a scalable and organized military organization suggests that my views are already shared by Armenia's leadership - and every other organized nation.
Your Central Asian mentality, mindset and values are only good for small armed groups, gangs and hooligans.
As usual, you don't understand much; yet freely open your big mouth!

[Siamanto]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Siamanto,

If we want to achieve the justice for the millions of our people who perished at the hands of Turks, if we want to return our stolen lands, and if we want to eventually live in peace with all of our neighbours then we have to have this "Central Asian mentality" you are talking about. I'm affraid that it is the only way we can deal with our enemies. Victory of Artsakh is a proof of this.

HayotzAmrotz,
Are you saying that all nations who have developed a viable National Defense System and/or Doctrine, have based it on Central Asian mentality and Jurkish values? Of course not!
There exists many other (martial) value systems and philosophies, besides Central Asian/Jurkish/Dr. Junkenstein hooliganism to serve as a basis of a (National) Defense System. Furthermore, Central Asian/Jurkish/Dr. Junkenstein hooliganism - as an organizational form - does not scale up to the level of a nation and is appropriate only for what it is meant for i.e. hooliganism and harrassment of the defenseless. Even the Ottomans had to look beyond their Jurkish values in order to build a scalable army.

[Virgil]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

LOL Something tells me that you're referring to the expression "A bon entendeur salut!?????" This is hilarious!
Each time I am exposed to one of the hooligans that you are, I am amazed by the immensity of your ignorance, the mediocrity of your reading and intellectual skills.
However, it is not amazing to see that the dumber you are, the bigger your mouth is!

No, I was refering to your prowess as the cheerleader for "great erudite". What have you exposed? The last time I checked you were being exposed by me, I am the one that has called you out to please explain which theories of Armenian are flawed? And why you defend Ara Baliozian and what exactly is his final conclusion as a writer? If indeed he is such a "great writer" then he must have a ultimate conclusion or else writting scribbles with no destinition is the same as not writing anything at all. The fact that I wrote my opinions at a genius level or a third grade level does not change the question I asked you.

As I have said previously, it has nothing to do with arabaliozian.
I have criticized Dr. Junkenstein in the past, and will continue to do so in the future, as my schedule allows. Get used to it! See you next time!!!

But that is exactly the problem, you fail to "criticize" Armenian. Let's define the word, to criticize means to "point out the faults of", so, exactly explain to me what faults of Armenian you are pointing out? None, you are only making it a point to harass and attack him in a invain effort to defend a man follows nothing that he preaches.

The above is funny for, at least, two reasons:
1- Using the adjective "accurate" to characterize "political theories" suggests that you, like Dr. Junkenstein, have little understanding of Political Theory, as it cannot be accurate. So the hooligans have recruited another "goshgagar!"
2- Your are accusing me of what you hooligans do with anybody who does not fit a certain profile and/or dares to confront you???

To (1), regardless of how I describe Armenian's views, the reality is that you have failed to let the audience know what exactly you detest about his theories. You can claim they are flawed, but please cite sources or else shut your mouth. To (2), correction, us "hooligans", well, I for that matter, only challenge ideas. Ara Baliozian has romantic ideas at best, but they are dangerous when taken into the context of the bigger picture. Who would honestly disagree with "world peace"? Absolutly no one, but essentially, these are the types of ridiculous points of view is what this half witted individual promotes (the trivial question and answer). The reality is that the world holds complexities that will never allow it to truly be "one world". People want to be different, if you and your "western mindset" can not phatom this absolute of human nature then that is not my problem, my only concern is to make sure that you and your ilk don't disarm Armenians. I could careless how you want to proceed with your life and beliefs.

Because we need better men and women, we don't need hideous Jurk like hooligans like Dr. Junkenstein and his clones.

Understand what you are defending, do you honestly think the "Ara Baliozian" type would pick up a rifle to defend Armenia? No, even in his best days he was a coward that hides being his education. The reality is that education is not the sum of all the books one reads, it is the end action. Being 72 and having reading the entire catalog of Alexanderia and then regurgitating the material is not my idea of a "great man" nor is it a "great feat" for that matter.

blah blah blah!
Some "nationalists" are evil - and prove to be disastrous for the well being of a nation - and some are not? Are you saying that, in the name of what you perceive as "nationalism," all should be tolerated? Please go back to your dark ages!

No, what I was referring to is the constant attacks on behalf of your "great leader" towards nationalism. My point being that any creed and ideology taken to the extreme is distasteful. Like I mentioned earlier, my only goal in refuting attacks on nationalism is to make sure Armenians are not disarmed. And if anyone needs to modernize it is you, the reality is that nationalism is the backbone of the world politics today.

And your posts are fine illustrations of cultural refinement and open mindedness!!!! Please humor us a bit more!

Not refinement and maybe not "open mindedness", I never claiming to be any of those things. Lets get something straight, claiming to be any of those things is in essence, spooning feeding your audience of your views, I could careless what my audience thinks of my views, they are my views alone. I am not here to give answers that will please the audience, I am here to dictate what answers I feel is the most approriate. The reality is that I don't care about "cultural refinement" and "open mindedness", no world leader would opt to give up authonomy of their state for such intangible garbage. The reality is that in a state your views are already dictated for you, like it or not, the very media you watch, only feeds to you what they think needs to be feed, not the other way around.

!t means that only few in the community are uncultured narrow minded bullies like you and Armenian.
By the way, for a "cultured" individual, your understanding skills are quite poor!

This coming from a intellectual midget is funny, you have been challenged, answer the challenge or shut your mouth and stop accusing others of their faults. If I challenge anyone, I do so with sources and examples, I never blindly accuse them, there always exists a backbone to my argument.

I'm not sure, but it seems that the above is another illustration of your poor reading skills. In my post, "He" referred to arabaliozian. When "items/bullets" follow a sentence, they all refer to the latter and same!

Assuming I read at a third grade level, which is fine, there is nothing wrong with that. You still are acting like the coward that you are by avoiding to cite sources and bones of contention with Armenian's political analysis. And the irony here is that if anyone has a hard time "understand" it certainly is you, not I.

LOL You will opt for war - civil or not - and violence, no matter what; it's part of your Central Asian Jurkish mindset.
By the way, is your option another reflection of your "open mindedness?" Also, keep in mind that a clean house may mean less riff-raff like you and Dr. Junkestein

And in a attempt to refute my points you have already become a good example of my point. My pet hamster, what is it that you are doing? You are putting forward your opinion, essentially, you are making sure that it is your view that is pushed forward over my opinions, extrapolating this to a state and people, this leads to "civil war" and in the process, this "civil war" eventually dictates the course of a nation becaue in the end, there exists only a winner and a loser. Understand, "open mindedness" and "unifying for the sake of unifying" will only lead to stagnation. You need to be "narrow minded" sometimes or else your ideas will crushed under the overwhelming weight of your rivals.

Yes, I am serious. Get used to it!

I cringe at the time I waste arguing with intellectual midgets like yourself that claim to be "intellectuals". You live off the very fumes of ideas that you protest, your state, your government, what ever you have amounted to as a man can be attributed to the driving forces that men like me champion, but because you are prideful and stupid in some respects, you fail to realize that you, in your entire existence are just a product of the ambitions and goals of men like me.

[Virgil]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

First of all, I will limit my reply to a small subset of your post, as for the most part it is
1. Irrelevant to the point that I am making
2. Confused, amalgamated, inarticulate
I don't want to dilute the discussion with what is of little relevance. I understand that the you may consider your obsession with certain individuals or realities as relevant; unfortunately, I don't.

By all means, please don't "limit your reply", I am a big boy, I can handle it, please spare me your "mercy". To (1), what was the point that you are making? If I remembered correctly, you just attacked Armenian, so, you were not making any point. In my opinion, like I mentioned earlier, your point was to insult Armenian in a effort to pull yourself up, any intelligent individual can see through your actions. To (2), please, you accuse others of being "confused", "amalgamated", and "inarticulate", but not once have you ever highlighted a example or directly challenged a theory of Armenians.

1- There is no evidence that individuals like Dr. Junkenstein - aka Armenian - and his clones are more useful to the future Armenian Nation than other members of the community. Of course, you're more than a simple clone, as the amount of junk and bigotry that you've been posting lately makes you a contender to the throne!!! Congratulations!

First and foremost, If you are going to accuse me of anything, cite sources or else shut your mouth. Don't just accuse me of "bigotry". If you have indeed "read" my posts then you would know my point of view and thus, would be able to highlight what act of "bigotry" I have committed, but you failed to cite examples, which means then, your opinions are baseless. You are just accusing me for the sake of ruining my name or attaching negative-conotation to it. I have dealt with half witts like you before, they think intelligence is believing in all the ridiculous ideas of "equality" when, in fact, the bottomline heart and soul of nationalism and capitalism tells us otherwise.

You jackass, how can you be "equal" when you live under the free market system that distributes wealth based on competativeness? You can not, essentially, some individuals are born into the system with a clear competative advantage, while others with no advantage at all, essentially, this is why equality will never exist under capitalism. Capitalism is the idea of scales. Not all individuals will have the advantage to build wealth. The bigger picture is that states are rivals within this system, all fighting for the resources that fuel their economic growth, yes, maybe domestically there will exist the illusion of "equality", but the reality is that the geopolitic state can never champion equal rights, the system will not allow it.

With regards to nationalism, the very idea that you hold some sort of citizenship is counter-productive to the idea of "equality", there exists no equality under nationalism, for if we were all equal, you would not hold a citizenship of any kind, there would exist no borders of any kind, and certainly, these great nations that only "talk of equality" to trick the masses into being good sheeple would drop their defense budget and salvage their military. The law of the land, since the time of Greek city-states, has championed inequality, greed, and war. Nationalism is the perpetual state of war, we are always fighting to maintain our way of life under the nation state, you are a fool to think otherwise.

Certainly, you and your "Ara Baliozian" mentality will only disarm the Armenian people. If Armenians had the power within themselves to change the world, by all means, be Moses and lead your people to the "promised land", I would be for it. However, since we do not hold a seat at the table of power, since we ourselves are xxxxroaches in the modern age, we have to fight to survive. We have to champion values that will keep us competative. This is why I am angered by the Ara Baliozian type, they are dillusional. They tell us to champion values that will only lead to stagnation of our economies, which will eventually lead to the stagnation of the Armenian people and its eventually extinction.

2- It is undesirable to see within our community narrow minded bullies and hooligans like Dr. Junkestenin and his clones

By all means, enlighten your audience with citations and sources, don't just talk out of your ass. I am more than happy to debate with you the "narrow minded" ideology that I am apprently "spreading". The reality is this, the state you live under, the person you are, the reason why you and your family, your people, were displaced, why I am sitting here typing this to you instead of being in Armenia directly communicating to you, is due to the same rheteric preached to masses a hundred or so years ago, to just lay down and die. And accusing me of being "narrow minded" means absolutly nothing. Every individual in the world is "narrow minded" because being "narrow minded" is a quality that strong men and women posses. And the irony in your accusations is this, if indeed I am "narrow minded" for defending my values, you are also "narrow minded" for attacking Armenian and his opinions.

3- Dr. Junkenstein and his clones are a reminiscence of the unfortunate influence of the Jurkish mindset on the Armenian populations; as a matter of fact, you behave like Jurks and are as hideous, obnoxious and provincial as Jurks

Are you dillusional son? The "Turkish mindset" is why you and your family are going to eventually assimilation in some assbackwards part of the world, while your fellow Turks grow apricots and watermelons on your homeland. What is that you exactly want me to adhere to? Please, enlighten the masses, what is this "Turkish mindset" other then to survive and survive well in a era where nations and states must fight to survive? Please enlighten the masses of your definition of a "Turkish mindset" or else shut your mouth.

4- The narrow mindedness and obscurantism that you preach is the reason why many young Armenians stay away from the community. To make things worse, you claim to be the "real" Armenians despite your obviously Jurkish behavior. We do not need your Central Asian mentality among us. Honestly, who wants to be associated with narrow minded riff-raff??

Please, get off your highhorse and stop using words like "riff-raff", we are not in the victorian age, we are in the modern age. The reason why many young Armenians "stay away" is not correlated to any idea that is preached by me or you. It is because Armenians have yet to realize that state building is not a function that can be carried out by a Diaspora, it is a function that will be only carried out by individuals that reside within the state, thus, we have the term "state building" as in you "build the state", you don't export parts and ask your neighbor to "build the state", you "build the state" using your own hands, with your own resources.

You have to honestly admit, sitting in Canada writing away about the "incrualties" of the world can not possibly be considered "state building"? No, it can not, this only leads to stagnation, because while the said individuals are writing, our rivals are state building. Likewise, attacking nationalist (I detest this term to describe the patriotic, but there exists the patriot and the nationalist) when, in fact, it is these very nationalistic feelings that motivated Armenians to capture one-fourth of Azerbaijan or are you honestly stating that these individuals were also "narrow minded" and that Azerbaijan just wanted to hand out olive branches instead of death? I will stop here, you are too stupid to understand that the fundimental driving force that has created the states and economies of the modern Europe and the United States can only be attributed to naitonalism.

5- I consider the fact that his/your kind is decreasing in number within the Armenian Society as a positive development; a fact that one may interpret as an indication that their role in (building) the future of the Armenia Nation is at best secondary and/or unnecessary. In other words, the future is without you!

So, let me get this straight, you are saying that the future is "without" nationalist and nationalist, when in fact Armenia is itself a nation state, with citizens that opt to live under the Armenian "nationalistic banner"? How dumb can you be? Are you then saying that individuals will deny their rights to be citizens under a nation? I think not.

Second of all, it's not about Dr. Junkenstein's geopolitical choices and ideas; choices and ideas that are shared by millions across the World, since a while now. The fact that some of you have discovered them only recently - and are still enthusiastic about it - is of no relevance.

So what is jackass? What is "relavent" when you are attacking a individaul for the political theories? If you are going to accuse anyone of being "politically challenged", what then would be more relavent to your argument other then citing examples that will discredit his view? Nothing else would be relavent. If you are going to accuse Armenian of being a "idiot" for his opinions then by all means bring examples of his "idiocy" or else shut your mouth. Again, your lack of intelligence and forming a coherant argument is just mind boggling.

Most of all, I have been gladly noticing that more and more members of the forum are daring to confront Dr. Junkenstein and his clones - a positive development - and I hope that the trend will continue until your thick heads realize that you can't ostracize and harass others only because they do not fit in your dark age world and/or do not share your Central Asian Jurkish values.

And when has "Dr. Junkestein" and "his clones" been afraid of men and women that challenge their opinions? Opinions are meant to be challenged, althought I am not fan of "opinions", I feel that if you truly have faith in what you preach then by all means, you should be able to defend them as well.

Understand, I don't mind a good debate, but I detest these ideas of a "one world". The very denial of the Armenian Genocide and the very tragic history of the Armenian speaks volumes about the inabillity to meld into "one world" and if this were to occur, all these unique people would have to be eliminated. We would speak one language, develop one culture, and finally, we would become on race, the very idea that "diversity breeds development" would then go out the window because at the heart of "diversity" is difference.

Are you continuing you imaginary discussion? In my last post, I said that it has nothing to do arabaliozian. As a consequence, anything about arabaliozian will be skipped - by the way, for the most, I think that you're debating with yourself, your "fears" and perceptions.
With all due respect, I found a bit funny your "logic" that because the thread is about arabaliozian then my criticism of Armenian is a support for arabaliozian???? Hilarious!

Why skip it? You are attacking Armenain on the behalf of Ara Baliozian. And my logic is sound, let me give you a analogy, if I am debating about the greatness of apples and a individual brings up a counter example that challenges my assesment of the greatness of apples then that said individual that brought up the counter example has directly challenged my assesment of the greatness of apples. Translated, we are making it a point to demask the "great wise sage" as a fraud, you try to derail our opinions by attacking us, so, essentially, you are defending the very same entity we are challenging.

Yes, he is. Each time he - LOL almost with a little boy's pride - talks about political movements and theories, the expression "goshgagari kaghakaganoutioun" comes to the mind - because he has nothing more than a remotely vague idea of what he's talking about. Each time, he mentions a book, it's from the collection "Politics for Dummies."

So, if it is from "Politics for Dummies", by all means, instead of attacking the man that you claim is a "intellectual midget", attack his "intellectual miniscule ideas". You ass, let me ask you, are you honestly claiming that Armenian's assesment that Armenia must cling to Russia to survive is flawed? Are you claiming that Armenia should stop trading and developing its economy with Iran and Russia? And if so, how can you not develop economies without avoiding to develop geopolitical ties? You can't, it is either being with the Russians and Iranians or choosing to side with the West and their pet hamster, Turkey.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Opinion's such as Siamanto's are fine as long as they don't find there way to Armenia's leadership...dangerous ideas implemented are just that: dangerous.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

With the few words that you wrote, you 100% destroyed Siamanto's long-winded and dangerous opinions.
It's amazing that she cannot understand your obvious deduction on dealing with Armenia's enemies.

But it's of paramount importance not to deal that way (as she says -the "Central Asian way") with our own Armenians. No matter what type they are, no matter how much they hate you for being a nationalist, don't deal with them the way you would deal with the enemies of our nation.

The only time an Armenian should punish (and I mean really punish, destroy) another Armenian is when he or she commits an act of treason against our people and/or our country. That's it.

Fundamental differences of opinion, opposing political party membership, different cultural and moral outlooks etc. all these things should never be a reason for an attack on an Armenian by another Armenian.

Just my 2c.

[crusader1492]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Siamanto,

If we want to achieve the justice for the millions of our people who perished at the hands of Turks, if we want to return our stolen lands, and if we want to eventually live in peace with all of our neighbours then we have to have this "Central Asian mentality" you are talking about. I'm affraid that it is the only way we can deal with our enemies. Victory of Artsakh is a proof of this.

With the few words that you wrote, you 100% destroyed Siamanto's long-winded and dangerous opinions.
It's amazing that she cannot understand your obvious deduction on dealing with Armenia's enemies.

[HayotzAmrotz]

Re: Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

Siamanto,

If we want to achieve the justice for the millions of our people who perished at the hands of Turks, if we want to return our stolen lands, and if we want to eventually live in peace with all of our neighbours then we have to have this "Central Asian mentality" you are talking about. I'm affraid that it is the only way we can deal with our enemies. Victory of Artsakh is a proof of this.