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Happy Birthday Ara Baliozian!

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  • arabaliozian
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    a good quote
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    Guenter Grass (contemporary German author and winner of the Nobel Prize): “History is a clogged toilet. We flush and flush, but the
    s hit keeps rising.”

    Why is it that we Armenians are incapable of producing such a sentence?

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  • arabaliozian
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    dear Zourna and fellow natives:

    it is an unfortunate fact that has many precedents in history that you cannot teach fundamental human rights to fascists.

    i read somewhere recently that we are all born fascists but some of us learn to respect and accept democratic principles and ideals. / ara

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  • arabaliozian
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    Sunday, December 23, 2007
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    HUMBUG
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    One of my gentle and anonymous readers, whose spelling leaves something to be desired, takes me to task for my ignorance of our history. “Armenian history,” he reminds me, “is an extremely complex topic,” and since I obviously do not know as much as he does, I should shut up about it. I am more than willing to concede that I don’t know all there is to know on the subject. But then who does, beside the Good Lord Himself, who so far has consistently refused to publish His version. As far as I know, no human being has ever dared to claim that after a lifetime of study he is now prepared to assert that he knows all there is to know about Armenian or any other history.
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    When after a lifetime of study Toynbee published his monumental ten-volume STUDY OF HISTORY, he was attacked and sometimes even verbally abused by an international array of historians who questioned the accuracy of his facts and the reliability of his conclusions. Dutch historians criticized him for his ignorance of Dutch history; xxxish historians tore him to shreds because he had dared to call xxxs “fossils”; English historians dismissed him as a megalomaniacal mystic and charlatan; and Soviet historians treated him as a heretic because he did not share their faith in Marxism. It would be no exaggeration to say that both Spengler and Toynbee, the two greatest historians of the 20th century, have more critics than fans among their fellow historians.
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    Even when they deal in facts and nothing but facts, nationalist or ideologically committed historians lie because they select only those facts that support their particular thesis, and since the number of facts, documents, and eyewitness accounts is nearly infinite, they can do this without much difficulty.
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    Who takes nationalist historians seriously? Only themselves, their dupes, and the power structure within which they operate.
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    What matters about history is not how much we know or how many facts, documents, and eyewitness accounts we have at our disposal, but what have we learned from it. What have our nationalist or patriotic historians learned from our past? The very same thing that Turkish historians have learned: namely, to paint themselves all white and their adversaries all black.
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    History does not have to be the propaganda of the victor or the consolation of the loser. Our sympathies may be with the losers but that does not make their version of events more honest, objective, and impartial.
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    The aim of nationalist historians is not to learn but to teach. But teaching that is not preceded by learning is at best propaganda and at worst conditioning or brainwashing. Politics and history don’t mix. To allow politics or ideology to contaminate the study of history amounts to prostituting the past.
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    A final note on our revolutionaries: history judges us not by our intentions (remember the old adage: “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”) but our actions; and actions have consequences. It follows, we should judge our revolutionaries not by their intentions but by the tragic consequences of their actions.
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  • Armenian
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    Originally posted by zourna View Post
    I may not understand all what Ara scribes, but I understand free speech and I defend that by all means. Now would you like me to explain what free speech is all about?
    If you don't understand what he writes than you are simply a fool. Ara types are very easy to decipher: self-hate, massive ego and decades long disgruntlement... And you as a "free speech" crusader should understand that it applies for us as well. So why don't you defend 'my' free speech?

    Originally posted by zourna View Post
    And would you like me to play a piece for you, Armenian, fresh out of me arse?!
    Yeah, why not. But I have probably heard it from your kind before

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  • zourna
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    And would you like me to play a piece for you, Armenian, fresh out of me arse?!

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  • zourna
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    I may not understand all what Ara scribes, but I understand free speech and I defend that by all means. Now would you like me to explain what free speech is all about?

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  • Armenian
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    Originally posted by Virgil View Post
    And if you are such a "great fan", claiming to "understand" the "wisdom" of the "great erudite", then please, by all means, put your money where your mouth is and explain to me and the rest of the board members, in as many words as you like, what exactly is his message and ultimate point? Enlighten us, the "bomba-bimbos", so that we may "understand" the "enigma" that is Ara Baliozian. I am calling you out, if indeed you "understand" him, then by all means put your money where mouth is, if you can defend his "ideas" then by all means, you are old enough to tell the audience what you are exactly defending.
    Forget it, dude. This individual is one of those self-hating, Turkified, diasporan fools that play the "zourna" out their asses...

    bomba-bimbos??? What the hell is that supposed to be? So stupid...

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  • Virgil
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    Originally posted by zourna View Post
    A birth day worth celebrating and embracing.
    Speak your mind, Ara and be generous... It's not time yet to make free with your thoughts.
    But in time, Armenians will learn to make peace with your thoughts by becoming resolutely fearless.
    And for those "bomba-bimbos" that are helplessly trying to put Ara in the wrong; Stop making fools out of your sorry arses.


    A fool always has his or her followers and, please, don't leave it to me to "put Ara in the wrong", you can thank the walking contradiction, Ara Baliozian, himself. I know exaclty what he is preaching and I have called him on it, don't accuse anyone of being "ignorant", its not ignorance that has driven me to call him a jackass, it is his actions and careless disregard of what his idealist and incoherant comments will amount to.

    And if you are such a "great fan", claiming to "understand" the "wisdom" of the "great erudite", then please, by all means, put your money where your mouth is and explain to me and the rest of the board members, in as many words as you like, what exactly is his message and ultimate point? Enlighten us, the "bomba-bimbos", so that we may "understand" the "enigma" that is Ara Baliozian. I am calling you out, if indeed you "understand" him, then by all means put your money where mouth is, if you can defend his "ideas" then by all means, you are old enough to tell the audience what you are exactly defending.

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  • zourna
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    A birth day worth celebrating and embracing.
    Speak your mind, Ara and be generous... It's not time yet to make free with your thoughts.
    But in time, Armenians will learn to make peace with your thoughts by becoming resolutely fearless.
    And for those "bomba-bimbos" that are helplessly trying to put Ara in the wrong; Stop making fools out of your sorry arses.

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  • jgk3
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    yes, we are!

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