Marxism, Origin, and Failure

[ckBejug]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Please don't lower the intellectual caliber of this thread with baby pictures. I like eating dead babies and all. I even like dead baby jokes. Perhaps it deserves a thread of its own. But stick to the topic, dont poison this particular thread with chatroom style foruming. !!!!!!

ok smartass.


here, I found a picture of you in your younger days...

[ckBejug]

ok, what do you mean by privatize it?

since we started this marxism 101 lesson, might as well answer my questions, right?

[ckBejug]

.....and since i just jumped to conclusions regarding your statements from above... How else would you explain the sentence 'the state interferes'. It seems to me the only way they do that is by putting rules and regulations. So that seems like quite the logical assumption for me, in all my pencil-neck glory, to have made. What else did you mean? how else does the state 'interfere'?

also, i never suggested you always look for a way to achieve lawlessness, I was simply responding to the statement you made above....

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by ckBejug .....and since i just jumped to conclusions regarding your statements from above. How else would you explain the sentence 'the state interferes'. It seems to me the only way they do that is by putting rules and regulations. So ithat seems like quite the logical assumption for me in all my pencil-neck lory to have made. What else did you mean? how else does the state 'interfere'?

also, i never suggested you always look for a way to achieve lawlessness, I was simply responding to the statement you made above....

It means that you made assumptions such as "not everyone is educated etc " or "can't think for themselves". That has nothing to do with the economics of how the State interferes into the free market. It cripples competition in the free market by putting regulations, which itself is a monopoly of force. Thus it tries to redistribute, and tax, which is precisely what socialistic entities do, having a central bank ( one of the ten plancks of communism ) and "public" goods.

Thus the State is responsible for creating huge monopolies and allying with big business, creating regulation and harming the little guy. Microsoft is an example of a government created ( Copyright ) monopoly.

I refer you to my other thread.

http://forum.armenianclub.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1014

Now please stick to the main point, and that is Marxism.

[ckBejug]

yes well, after all that, doesn't it suck that all we do is complain about the situation rather than trying to figure out a plausible way to change it? BTW, i mostly agree with you on whatever you said here AND in your last thread. I just felt like an argument, although I shouldn't have started that in here because what little I know about these topics wouldn't take me very far....

[Shahumyan]

ui just found thsi thread, i will read it and respond to it later...

[violette829]

:::RAISING HAND::::::::::

Sir, I have a question:
How do u think Hitler was influenced by Marx's ideas? Don't u think his ideas were more Darwinistic?? (is that a word)

PS: this is just a question, please DO NOT get into ATTACK MODE

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan ui just found thsi thread, i will read it and respond to it later...

Yes you should, since your presence made me make this thread. I hope you won't shrug this off as you did in the other forum of "not believing" what I say because I am as you call me "a bourgeois from the United States", I wouldn't want my effort in typing this xxxx up to go in vain.

Do you seriously call yourself a critical thinker? Of course you believe everything you have read to be holy truth, yet you don't even know where that "Red Star" you have on your forehead comes from.

You see Marxism's origin is tied in to Mr. Weishupt ( whether you like it or not, or for that matter choose to accept this information ) who created the Bavarian Order of the Illuminati. You see the Communists when they established the Soviet Union, celebrated May 1st as the birth of their revolutionary movement because it was the birthday of the founder of the Bavarian Order, Adam Weishaupt. And, it is not by chance that all Communists use the "red pentagram" star as their insigia. And, it is not by chance that the Communists use "red" to describe their revolutionary movement. The Rothschild banking family, who for some 200 years had a great influence on the economic and the political history of Europe, was founded by Mayer Rothschild ( Rothschild translates to Red Sheild ). And ironically it was Mr. Weishupt and the House of Rothschild who started that little Bavarian movement, partly spiritual, partly political.

Of course, this doesn't even go into the economic factors of why Marxism is idiotic, but we can digress from this a bit and focus on that as well.

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by violette829 :::RAISING HAND::::::::::

Sir, I have a question:
How do u think Hitler was influenced by Marx's ideas? Don't u think his ideas were more Darwinistic?? (is that a word)

PS: this is just a question, please DO NOT get into ATTACK MODE

Hitler's ideas weren't "more of this" or "more of that" they simply were influenced by a variety of factors. Of course Hitler's notion of "survival" was based on Darwin's "survival of the fittest", but then again so was his idea of "race" and how all history is a racial struggle. "National Socialism" was basically the polar opposite of "International Socialism". Whereas the Soviet Union took on Marx' claim of "history is a class struggle", Hitler simply substituted "race" for class, of course in the most perverted sense.

I say "perverted sense", because German is a complete langauge you see. It has terms for everything. It has "Rasse" for Race and "Volk" for people. All throughout the NSDAP ( the National Socialist Party period in Germany ), they used the term Volk, for majority of the time, yet in all the allied propaganda, the term "Volk" was translated as "Race". Who is lying and why? In any event, there are pamphlets in National Socialist Germany, as well as in Mein Kampf where "Rasse" is used, but this idea of substituted "race" for "class" was an idea Hitler took from Marx. Remember, Nazis were Socialist, just in the Nationalist sense, as opposed to the International Socialism espoused by the Soviets.

Then the next broader question to ask, is where were all these ideas coming from, be it Darwin from the Scientific revolution, or Marx, or Rousseau, or any on else - and all arrows point to the Enlightenment, and that is essentially when 'history' was created.

[violette829]

Thank you for enlightening me..I don't think most of these theories were meant to be taken out of their meaning so much. For example, Marx was no Hitler, neither was Darwin. I don't think they understood what their ideas were going to do to people and how these people were going to use them in such ways. As my nephew Alex would say, "Aunty, that's messed up"