Jesus Used Cannabis

[Tramanian]

Originally posted by patlajan Jesus was probably a real person and teacher. If he did all the things that are written about him we'll never know. Even he wasn't real, humanity needs him anyway. The foundation for our laws today and our ideas about justice are based on his teachings.

Humanity doesn't need a ghost from 2000 years ago to know what it right and wrong, humanity just needs to think.

I disagree fundamentally on the premise of which Jesus' teachings rested on, mainly deontology and altruism, as did many of the founding fathers.

The founding fathers of this country were mostly deists, regardless of their reputation for being Christian, and the laws that they created were based on mostlyreason, not God, mostly.

When a conclusion is based on a faulty or mixed/contradicting premise (such as the premise in the US constitution, which is a mixed premise of God and of reason), the conclusion itself will disintegrate as time goes by.

It is this fact that has allowed for such a crippling change to the US constitution; the inconsistancy has allowed for large government expansion, the welfare state, the special interests, the trade restrictions, and constant wars.

If one develops his epistemology, metaphyics, ethics and politics on a philosophy of reason, one will come to conclude a government of objectively defined laws, and not of men. Although a government of laws and not of men was the original intention of the founding fathers, the deontological/altruism:individualism conclusions of law have become more and more foggy as the premise itself is a contradiction of itself and a dichotomy, and thus the conclusion itself cannot stand to reason.

The solution to this problem is to have a non-contradicting, strong premise of explicit, not implicit, individualism, based on reason and not on a faulty premise of God or deontology or altruism.

If one reasons, one comes to individualism, if one comes to individualism one will find it wrong to lie, cheat, steal or kill (or tollerate those who do), and when a constitution is based on reason, the only thing that can destroy is it the power of a gun.

[Tramanian]

Originally posted by patlajan [...] Our definition of a "good person" comes from his teachings. It is something to strive for, atleast there's that.

Don't say "our." My defintion of a good person is pretty far off from Jesus.

[Tramanian]

Originally posted by jahannam [...]
he wouldn't last this long if he wasn't real.

Does that mean that Vishnu, Shiva, Ganesh, Sidartha, Mohammad and God himself are real because they wouldn't last that long if it wasn't real?

[Anonymouse]

Tramanian, very insightful posts. Indeed, the trouble with "interpreting the Constitution" is what you touched upon, as well as the fungible nature of "words" and language that is why anyone who gains the power, can undermine it, not overtly, but covertly, as has been done via such bills as the Patriot Act, which vaguely defines broad powers for the president, created a whole new beaurocracy in the form of Homeland Security, and arrests people without warrants or due process and keeps them incarcerated, such as in Guantanamo Bay, without the rule of law. One of my friends, her father was arrested, since he is Lebanese Armenian, for being born in Lebanon, only when he proved he was Christian was he released. Do you see this sort of Stalinist type behavior becoming more and more common, with the TIPS hotline of where you can call to inform the officials of suspected terrorists.

http://www.dojgov.net/TIPS-01.htm

As far as Jesus, like I said, just because millions have died for Jesus and thousands of Churches have been erected, doesn't make it any less credible, for all we know Jesus never existed and someone merely created a story around it, or a group of men.

Millions of people can believe I have an invisible monkey on my shoulder, it doesn't make it so.

[Tramanian]

Originally posted by Anonymouse Tramanian, very insightful posts. Indeed, the trouble with "interpreting the Constitution" is what you touched upon, as well as the fungible nature of "words" and language that is why anyone who gains the power, can undermine it, not overtly, but covertly, as has been done via such bills as the Patriot Act, which vaguely defines broad powers for the president, created a whole new beaurocracy in the form of Homeland Security, and arrests people without warrants or due process and keeps them incarcerated, such as in Guantanamo Bay, without the rule of law. One of my friends, her father was arrested, since he is Lebanese Armenian, for being born in Lebanon, only when he proved he was Christian was he released. Do you see this sort of Stalinist type behavior becoming more and more common, with the TIPS hotline of where you can call to inform the officials of suspected terrorists.

Well, I'm in the quoting mood tonight, so here's my foreign policy and it explains everything that is wrong with America's:

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." – Thomas Jefferson

"Government-to-government foreign aid promotes statism, centralized planning, socialism, dependence, pauperization, inefficiency, and waste. It prolongs the poverty it is designed to cure. Voluntary private investment in private enterprise, on the other hand, promotes capitalism, production, independence, and self-reliance." – Henry Hazlit

And here's one to characterize what you said, and you'll love it:
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." – James Madison

And here's a very ironic quote, off topic, just for the hell of it:
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced. If the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt, people must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. – Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC

[Anonymouse]

Indeed, these are marvelous quotes. Thanks.

[Tramanian]

Originally posted by patlajan [Jesus] was the first.

The first? Christianity is somewhere around 2000 years old...what about Krishna from Hinduism, which is anywhere between 4000-5000 years old? How about Buddhism at 2500 (not positive about Buddhism's age, could be wrong about that).

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by anileve Where everybody knew his name and they were all so glad he came...

I wonder if Jesus was a good cook, he did make some good wine out of his blood, the question is was it Merlot or Cabernet Sauvignon? I guess it's one of those history's mysteries we will never know...

It was probably a wine that went well with fish.
Pinot?

[Arvestaked]

Originally posted by Tramanian Well, I'm in the quoting mood tonight, so here's my foreign policy and it explains everything that is wrong with America's:

"Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none." – Thomas Jefferson

"Government-to-government foreign aid promotes statism, centralized planning, socialism, dependence, pauperization, inefficiency, and waste. It prolongs the poverty it is designed to cure. Voluntary private investment in private enterprise, on the other hand, promotes capitalism, production, independence, and self-reliance." – Henry Hazlit

And here's one to characterize what you said, and you'll love it:
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." – James Madison

And here's a very ironic quote, off topic, just for the hell of it:
"The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced. If the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt, people must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance. – Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC

Non sequitur! Wrong thread, you imbecile!

[anileve]

Originally posted by Arvestaked It was probably a wine that went well with fish.
Pinot?

You do have a point, but I must point out that his blood was of red color, thus it must be red wine, Pinot Grigio is white its sweet fruit aromas of pears, melon, and tropical fruits which are accented with a peasant floral note. The wine is light-to-medium bodied on the palate, and round in texture. The flavors are pear and white peach, with a touch of sweet citrus. Unless Jesus was on a bit of a fruity side, then it's possible. Otherwise we'll have to go with a choice between Merlot, Cabernet, Shiraz or Chianti. What is your take on this complicated issue?