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  • loseyourname
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    You're not claiming self-knowledge, my friend. If that was the case, I would have no quarrel with you. You're claiming knowledge of a larger spiritual world that is eternal and transcendent. That's a pretty big claim. If you have anything at all to back it up with, please post to the epistemology thread, because, as you noted previously, we are way off topic.

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  • SexyAries
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    I would take the first road becuase I am human and humans were given curisosity. So as good as anything else sounds it is right infront of you and you know what you are getting however the first road is all curiosity, you dont know what you are going to get and what people don't know they want to know and will find out even if it kills them!

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  • Anonymouse
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    Originally posted by loseyourname So what is that you have, Arman? Faith or knowledge? You speak with so much authority, but do you really know? If so, then you don't have faith. Faith is not required when you are already certain of something. If faith is required, then you are not certain, and you do not have knowledge. I never said I don't have faith. I simply make no attempt to put it in a neat little box and define it and limit it and understand it. It is what it is. It's faith - it is not knowledge. I do not confuse the two.
    I only speak with authority regarding myself. I would say I have both, since knowledge, as you define it, is confined to our world, faith like I said, goes beyond where reason ends. Of course, you don't have to agree with this nor feel threatened. It's simply a discussion. I don't want to be an authority for you, only you can be that, I am however an authority over my self.

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  • loseyourname
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    So what is that you have, Arman? Faith or knowledge? You speak with so much authority, but do you really know? If so, then you don't have faith. Faith is not required when you are already certain of something. If faith is required, then you are not certain, and you do not have knowledge. I never said I don't have faith. I simply make no attempt to put it in a neat little box and define it and limit it and understand it. It is what it is. It's faith - it is not knowledge. I do not confuse the two.

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  • Anonymouse
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    Originally posted by loseyourname I never said I had no desire, Mousy. I would love for my life to be as simple as yours. I would love to have all the answers and to know everything that there is to be known. But as I said before, I'm not as easily convinced as you are. I will start another thread.
    But I don't have all the answers, this is where my faith begins.

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  • loseyourname
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    I never said I had no desire, Mousy. I would love for my life to be as simple as yours. I would love to have all the answers and to know everything that there is to be known. But as I said before, I'm not as easily convinced as you are. I will start another thread.

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  • Anonymouse
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    Originally posted by loseyourname I would like to see some kind of explanation. I didn't say to be scientific. Use logic, common sense, anything. Even if all you have is delusion, by all means, share your delusion.
    Maybe you want to start another thread since this is off topic, or bring back your God thread? I believe you pick the second road, and I picked the first road for reasons obvious, but I must be wrong for picking the first road, how dare I exercise free will. Thus we have already answered this thread and cannot go beyond a certain point except off-topic.

    It is also interesting to note that the same person that has trouble making that leap of faith in God, spiritual awareness, or free will, is also the same person who has started the threads on them? Can you say "desire"?

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  • loseyourname
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    I would like to see some kind of explanation. I didn't say to be scientific. Use logic, common sense, anything. Even if all you have is delusion, by all means, share your delusion.

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  • Anonymouse
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    Originally posted by loseyourname Again, science's epistemic principles are well known and are documented to be effective. There is no doubt that knowledge can come about through scientific research. That isn't to say that is the only way to attain knowledge. I'm just asking for you to provide some form of justification for saying that you are able to attain knowledge through faith alone. If you can provide nothing, your words are hollow and meaningless.
    Well, of course they are hollow and meaningless, since when can you prove faith with scientific criteria of the material world. Thus if I explain to you the spiritual experiences in my life, it won't be "scientific", in fact I would be better classed as "delusional". You are right and everyone else is wrong, rest assured.

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  • loseyourname
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    Originally posted by Anonymouse It is a philosophical assumption that all knowledge comes from research, and no knowledge comes from faith.
    Again, science's epistemic principles are well known and are documented to be effective. There is no doubt that knowledge can come about through scientific research. That isn't to say that is the only way to attain knowledge. I'm just asking for you to provide some form of justification for saying that you are able to attain knowledge through faith alone. If you can provide nothing, your words are hollow and meaningless.

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