A Life Complete or Death & Answers

[xBaron Dants]

Also, wouldn't all the books read by the people on the first road be written by those who walked on the second one?

[Anonymouse]

I guess these threads lately are for that part of humanity whose basic needs are taken care of, and who have enough idle time on their hands to waste it sitting around discussing lofty philosophical notions. For the portion of humanity that spends their days making mud bricks or field stripping their AK-47s and worrying about U.S. cluster bombs, the issue is of no immediate concern.

[xBaron Dants]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse But you are essentially ignoring that one persuasion is about here on earth, the things you would experience that you listed, you can only experience in the material world, and the other is the next step, the spiritual step. Just because you die, and you learn the truth and don't experience those things which you listed, doesn't mean you cannot understand the questions behind it and the answers that follow, for you will already have the knowledge and the truth about this world. Thus you wouldn't need to experience it. One reads books and gains knowledge, experience, and wisdom, from those authors and thinkers that would be impossible to gain in entire lifetime, hence my quote from Socrates.

Yes, but keep in mind that the second world allows education. You can even spend eight hours a day trying to find a meaning to life. But in my humble opinion, you shouldn't spend you ENTIRE life reading the experiences of others.....as you should also be able to write down your own.

[ckBejug]

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Originally posted by Anonymouse But you are essentially ignoring that one persuasion is about here on earth, the things you would experience that you listed, you can only experience in the material world, and the other is the next step, the spiritual step. Just because you die, and you learn the truth and don't experience those things which you listed, doesn't mean you cannot understand the questions behind it and the answers that follow, for you will already have the knowledge and the truth about this world. Thus you wouldn't need to experience it. One reads books and gains knowledge, experience, and wisdom, from those authors and thinkers that would be impossible to gain in entire lifetime, hence my quote from Socrates.

Baron jan, anonymouse said it exactly. To add a single word to what he said would be useless. Just read what he said and you'll hopefully catch my drift.

[Anonymouse]

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Originally posted by Baron Dants I disagree. The second road was not so much a road of materialism. It had more to do with "leading a life" instead of trying to understand why you are alive.

The first road allows no family, friends or conversations. Sure, you would understand what life means (if there is a meaning), but then again, you didn't really live a life, right? You couldn't, for example, ask about "why your boyfriend cheated on you" because you would never have had time to have a boy/girlfriend to start with.

I'd take the second road. I wanted to be surrounded by people I love, by friends, etc. Sure, if the answer to "why we are alive" drops by some day, I'll take it. But, as lazy as it might make me sound, I'd rather LIVE my life then find out what I missed out on.

But you are essentially ignoring that one persuasion is about here on earth, the things you would experience that you listed, you can only experience in the material world, and the other is the next step, the spiritual step. Just because you die, and you learn the truth and don't experience those things which you listed, doesn't mean you cannot understand the questions behind it and the answers that follow, for you will already have the knowledge and the truth about this world. Thus you wouldn't need to experience it. One reads books and gains knowledge, experience, and wisdom, from those authors and thinkers that would be impossible to gain in entire lifetime, hence my quote from Socrates.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by ckBejug Don't worry Baron, I think I'll visit the second road often, even from my middle ground. I am far too much of a hopeless romantic not to. But damned if I'm not also too curious for my own good. I wonder what the point of questioning things is, there seems to be a purpose we have here, we're given a certain amount of intelligence, smarts if you will and this intense wish to learn and find out more more, but it seems the answers are always too far out of our grasp. Funny you should mention that God explaing things to you thing. i was thinking that myself. Wishful thinking maybe? perhaps. I guess we can't say anything but we'll see.....

But then again, don't those questions come up while you're living life? I mean, if you haven't had or experienced family, friends, jobs, education, break-ups, responsibilities, death of relatives and so on, would the quest for answers still be there? Will you even ask yourselves the questions?

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[ckBejug]

Originally posted by Baron Dants IBut what a waste of time would the first road be if God ends up explaining the whole thing to you once you die anyways.

Don't worry Baron, I think I'll visit the second road often, even from my middle ground. I am far too much of a hopeless romantic not to. But damned if I'm not also too curious for my own good. I wonder what the point of questioning things is, there seems to be a purpose we have here, we're given a certain amount of intelligence, smarts if you will and this intense wish to learn and find out more more, but it seems the answers are always too far out of our grasp. Funny you should mention that God explaing things to you thing. i was thinking that myself. Wishful thinking maybe? perhaps. I guess we can't say anything but we'll see.....

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by ckBejug Well, well, well. I know it's my own question but I'm not taking either of the roads. they are both too enticing. I am grabbing a machete and chopping my way down through the forest right at the middle.

I would think that the second road is actually the middle of both extremes, as it allows you to search for answers, but not be obsessed by it. The first road however, seems to be more of an extreme.

But what a waste of time would the first road be if God ends up explaining the whole thing to you once you die anyways.

[ckBejug]

Well, well, well. I know it's my own question but I'm not taking either of the roads. they are both too enticing. I am grabbing a machete and chopping my way down through the forest right at the middle.

[xBaron Dants]

Re: Re: A Life Complete or Death & Answers

Originally posted by Anonymouse Essentially you are either of the spiritual persuasion or the materialist.

I disagree. The second road was not so much a road of materialism. It had more to do with "leading a life" instead of trying to understand why you are alive.

The first road allows no family, friends or conversations. Sure, you would understand what life means (if there is a meaning), but then again, you didn't really live a life, right? You couldn't, for example, ask about "why your boyfriend cheated on you" because you would never have had time to have a boy/girlfriend to start with.

I'd take the second road. I wanted to be surrounded by people I love, by friends, etc. Sure, if the answer to "why we are alive" drops by some day, I'll take it. But, as lazy as it might make me sound, I'd rather LIVE my life then find out what I missed out on.