Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

[Yedtarts]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely.

It was the oil (Money/power)

[Haykakan]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people."

Religion gives those who are looking to manipulate another tool to work with, a very effective one at that. It means that chrystianity can be used as a tool to do evile as are most other religions. Religion is used to divide and creat artificial differences among people and these differences are then used against them.

"The secular states are destroying with their own methods.

How about mentioning secular America and its 'peacful' policies?

And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely. "
Most powerful states are destroyd from within, this has nothing to do with religion or secularism, America is not secular, Religion may not have been the main reason but it sure was used to incite hatred and justify attrocities.

[Lucin]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God."
"Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. " this is so typical of religious people who always blame anything and everything bad on anything and everything but god yet will eagerly rush to give god credit for anything and everything thats good. Like how does one get such a gig?
"Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion" I agree with this statement.
The wars being fought today are not for religious reasons but as has always been the case- religion is being used to incite, justify, villify, discriminate, murder, torture, rape..... you know the same stuff it has been used for many thousends of years. Religion is one of the main tools used to exploit artificial differences between groups of people. They are not chrystians so it is ok to kill-rape-rob them- thats the mentality the crusaders had yet they are glorified in chrystian lore. Islam does much the same and so does judaism today. Religion is a tool used by those who want to control you, and justify all sorts of vile actions.If you insist on believing in something then perhaps you need to believe in yourself.

Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people.

What's more Christianity is not supposed to be some sort of a miraculous formula treating all human infirmity, it's more rather like a spiritual path if I may say.

Secularism means a separation of church and state. Most states are Secular in Europe and Asia, but it depends per country on how well the division is made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity

Common misconceptions (before you ask):

1) In fact Hitler was a Roman Catholic (or at least claimed to be) and he said in one of this speeches "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." It's quite funny when such speeches exist that they still call Hitler an Atheist. http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheis...lerAtheist.htm

2) Turkey calls itself Secular, but obviously isn't due to the fact there is heavy Islamic influence in the running of the State (discriminatory policies on basis of religion against Christians and so forth).

3) The USSR was by no means Secular, the idea was not to simply separate religion and state but to destroy religion. Under Secularism the goal is not to destroy religion.

The secular states are destroying with their own methods.

How about mentioning secular America and its 'peacful' policies?

And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely.

[Haykakan]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God."
"Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. " this is so typical of religious people who always blame anything and everything bad on anything and everything but god yet will eagerly rush to give god credit for anything and everything thats good. Like how does one get such a gig?
"Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion" I agree with this statement.
The wars being fought today are not for religious reasons but as has always been the case- religion is being used to incite, justify, villify, discriminate, murder, torture, rape..... you know the same stuff it has been used for many thousends of years. Religion is one of the main tools used to exploit artificial differences between groups of people. They are not chrystians so it is ok to kill-rape-rob them- thats the mentality the crusaders had yet they are glorified in chrystian lore. Islam does much the same and so does judaism today. Religion is a tool used by those who want to control you, and justify all sorts of vile actions.If you insist on believing in something then perhaps you need to believe in yourself.

[hipeter924]

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Haven't some of the bloodiest wars in history been led by 'secular' states? Again if idiots misinterprete, misuse or abuse of religion, the problem is to be searched somewhere else.



The Palestino-Israeli conflict is not stemmed from religious fundementalism in my opinion. Palestine has been occupied by a bunch of racist, godless murderers who feel like home whereever they go.

Secularism means a separation of church and state. Most states are Secular in Europe and Asia, but it depends per country on how well the division is made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity

Common misconceptions (before you ask):

1) In fact Hitler was a Roman Catholic (or at least claimed to be) and he said in one of this speeches "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." It's quite funny when such speeches exist that they still call Hitler an Atheist. http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheis...lerAtheist.htm

2) Turkey calls itself Secular, but obviously isn't due to the fact there is heavy Islamic influence in the running of the State (discriminatory policies on basis of religion against Christians and so forth).

3) The USSR was by no means Secular, the idea was not to simply separate religion and state but to destroy religion. Under Secularism the goal is not to destroy religion.

As for Israel/Palestine it is deeply grounded in religion, whether you call them godless the reality is that the motivations are always grounded on religion. When people put out the concept of Israel becoming Secular (and thus tolerant of other faiths...the horror) Israeli Religious Nationalists rant on about "we have to keep the xxxish State" in order to stop the nation becoming Secular.

During the deportations and ethnic cleansing during and prior to the Israeli war of independence that made way for the establishment of a xxxish state, they had no respect for religion and pushed the Palestinians ("weren't xxxs") out on basis of race. But then again they saw themselves as having a god given right to the land so that is why they did so.

[Lucin]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion, these days are when I hear of religious extremism and intolerance, attacks on science, and disregard for human rights in some religions. So to be honest sometimes I 100% agree with Dawkins views that effectively religious is dangerous and damaging and has no value to society.

Haven't some of the bloodiest wars in history been led by 'secular' states? Again if idiots misinterprete, misuse or abuse of religion, the problem is to be searched somewhere else.

I truly believe Secularism is the best way to go, simply because if the whole world was Secular and all religions were free to practice and also tolerated each other then the world would be a much safer, freer and happier place and the religious aspects of conflicts such as Palestine/Israel and even Turkey/Azerbaijan vs Armenia would not be as dangerous or severe.

The Palestino-Israeli conflict is not stemmed from religious fundementalism in my opinion. Palestine has been occupied by a bunch of racist, godless murderers who feel like home whereever they go.

[hipeter924]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. Those anomalities are typical of people of any race, culture or religion. It happens in the non-religeous West as well.

The pagan culture is present in Armenia as well and it's beautiful but it is not as strong and notable as the Christian one.

Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion, these days are when I hear of religious extremism and intolerance, attacks on science, and disregard for human rights in some religions. So to be honest sometimes I 100% agree with Dawkins views that effectively religious is dangerous and damaging and has no value to society.

But most of the time and as a whole I tolerate and respect people's right to their beliefs and ideologies. I am basically a pacifist so I would never hurt another human being except in self defence, so I am fundamentally opposed to anyone who uses violence or force to defend/attack beliefs/ideologies.

I truly believe Secularism is the best way to go, simply because if the whole world was Secular and all religions were free to practice and also tolerated each other then the world would be a much safer, freer and happier place and the religious aspects of conflicts such as Palestine/Israel and even Turkey/Azerbaijan vs Armenia would not be as dangerous or severe.

[Lucin]

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Any religion can be both beutiful and very ugly, it all depends on what people do with it. Armenia also has a rich peagan heritage which still exists and is being observed along with chrystianity. As i said befor one can argue that Armenia made chrystianity not the other way around. Chrystianity is just another religion, there is nothing at all special or unique about it. The things i hear from those claiming to be chrystian men of god is as disturbing as those coming from the worst islamic fanatics or xxxish racists-even worst our chrystian-Armenian "men of god" like to blame the victims-our grandperants for the genocide that befell them. One such idiot said on april 24 that our grandparents deserved the genocide because they were not faithfull enough. Such idiotic rhetoric is typical of any religion including chrystianity, religion breeds ignorence, racism, discrimination...-these are in its nature. The dumbass justifying the genocide of his own people was put in power by like minded idiots who think like he does and they try to teach us these idiotic beliefs while ostrocising those who dont play along. There is nothing special or beutiful about these people, they make a living doing the same thing every week and treat their positin in the church like the job that it is.

Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. Those anomalities are typical of people of any race, culture or religion. It happens in the non-religeous West as well.

The pagan culture is present in Armenia as well and it's beautiful but it is not as strong and notable as the Christian one.

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God.

[Haykakan]

Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

"As for your dislike of Christianity, I must say Christianity is inherently attached to the Armenian soul, culture and being. It is being felt everywhere in Armenia and it's beautiful. Haven't you noticed that?"

Any religion can be both beutiful and very ugly, it all depends on what people do with it. Armenia also has a rich peagan heritage which still exists and is being observed along with chrystianity. As i said befor one can argue that Armenia made chrystianity not the other way around. Chrystianity is just another religion, there is nothing at all special or unique about it. The things i hear from those claiming to be chrystian men of god is as disturbing as those coming from the worst islamic fanatics or xxxish racists-even worst our chrystian-Armenian "men of god" like to blame the victims-our grandperants for the genocide that befell them. One such idiot said on april 24 that our grandparents deserved the genocide because they were not faithfull enough. Such idiotic rhetoric is typical of any religion including chrystianity, religion breeds ignorence, racism, discrimination...-these are in its nature. The dumbass justifying the genocide of his own people was put in power by like minded idiots who think like he does and they try to teach us these idiotic beliefs while ostrocising those who dont play along. There is nothing special or beutiful about these people, they make a living doing the same thing every week and treat their positin in the church like the job that it is.