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  • #81
    Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

    "Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God."
    "Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. " this is so typical of religious people who always blame anything and everything bad on anything and everything but god yet will eagerly rush to give god credit for anything and everything thats good. Like how does one get such a gig?
    "Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion" I agree with this statement.
    The wars being fought today are not for religious reasons but as has always been the case- religion is being used to incite, justify, villify, discriminate, murder, torture, rape..... you know the same stuff it has been used for many thousends of years. Religion is one of the main tools used to exploit artificial differences between groups of people. They are not chrystians so it is ok to kill-rape-rob them- thats the mentality the crusaders had yet they are glorified in chrystian lore. Islam does much the same and so does judaism today. Religion is a tool used by those who want to control you, and justify all sorts of vile actions.If you insist on believing in something then perhaps you need to believe in yourself.
    Last edited by Haykakan; 11-30-2009, 07:20 AM.
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #82
      Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      "Your critique is that of human feebleness. It doesn't have anything to do with God."
      "Christianity is not to blame for the idiocy, barbarity and ignorance of some. " this is so typical of religious people who always blame anything and everything bad on anything and everything but god yet will eagerly rush to give god credit for anything and everything thats good. Like how does one get such a gig?
      "Personally some days I feel like the world would be a much better place without religion" I agree with this statement.
      The wars being fought today are not for religious reasons but as has always been the case- religion is being used to incite, justify, villify, discriminate, murder, torture, rape..... you know the same stuff it has been used for many thousends of years. Religion is one of the main tools used to exploit artificial differences between groups of people. They are not chrystians so it is ok to kill-rape-rob them- thats the mentality the crusaders had yet they are glorified in chrystian lore. Islam does much the same and so does judaism today. Religion is a tool used by those who want to control you, and justify all sorts of vile actions.If you insist on believing in something then perhaps you need to believe in yourself.
      Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people.

      What's more Christianity is not supposed to be some sort of a miraculous formula treating all human infirmity, it's more rather like a spiritual path if I may say.

      Originally posted by hipeter924 View Post
      Secularism means a separation of church and state. Most states are Secular in Europe and Asia, but it depends per country on how well the division is made. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularity

      Common misconceptions (before you ask):

      1) In fact Hitler was a Roman Catholic (or at least claimed to be) and he said in one of this speeches "We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out." It's quite funny when such speeches exist that they still call Hitler an Atheist. http://atheism.about.com/od/isatheis...lerAtheist.htm

      2) Turkey calls itself Secular, but obviously isn't due to the fact there is heavy Islamic influence in the running of the State (discriminatory policies on basis of religion against Christians and so forth).

      3) The USSR was by no means Secular, the idea was not to simply separate religion and state but to destroy religion. Under Secularism the goal is not to destroy religion.
      The secular states are destroying with their own methods.

      How about mentioning secular America and its 'peacful' policies?

      And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely.
      Last edited by Lucin; 11-30-2009, 08:13 AM.

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      • #83
        Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

        "Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people."

        Religion gives those who are looking to manipulate another tool to work with, a very effective one at that. It means that chrystianity can be used as a tool to do evile as are most other religions. Religion is used to divide and creat artificial differences among people and these differences are then used against them.

        "The secular states are destroying with their own methods.

        How about mentioning secular America and its 'peacful' policies?

        And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely. "
        Most powerful states are destroyd from within, this has nothing to do with religion or secularism, America is not secular, Religion may not have been the main reason but it sure was used to incite hatred and justify attrocities.
        Last edited by Haykakan; 11-30-2009, 09:06 AM.
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        • #84
          Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

          Originally posted by Lucin View Post
          And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely.
          It was the oil (Money/power)

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          • #85
            Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

            Originally posted by Haykakan View Post

            Religion gives those who are looking to manipulate another tool to work with, a very effective one at that. It means that chrystianity can be used as a tool to do evile as are most other religions. Religion is used to divide and creat artificial differences among people and these differences are then used against them.
            That is the power of politics. There will always be differences between people that can be exploited by those who want to expoit them.

            Originally posted by Lucin View Post
            Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people.
            Sex has been perverted in society to be a "bad" thing and so people are raised to treat it as a "bad" thing. Especially the way it is being portrayed in movies and pop culture. Anything can be used for good or bad (unless good or bad can't be defined due to lack of judgement)
            Last edited by KanadaHye; 11-30-2009, 09:53 AM.
            "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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            • #86
              Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              It's too bad they only get the dumb callers on those shows... I guess that makes it easier to argue their case.


              As far as Abiogenesis goes.... Evolution contradicts the Laws of Science, particularly the Law of Biogenesis.

              There has been no scientific evidence that life has been produced through any scientific experiment. Not in any lab or any experiment. This exists only in the minds of evolutionists in the form of wishful thinking. The only thing that scientists have managed to accomplish is the creation of a few strands of amino acids.... with the help of electricity of course.
              You obviously are completely ignorant about the mechanics and history of evolution. Shame. Evolution doesn't contradict anything in science. Not one thing. There isn't a single shred of evidence that could call into question the validity of evolution and if you feel there is, you've limited your "education" to ignorant and biased interpretations of the science (e.g. creationst websites). Abiogenisis doesn't contradict biogenisis. Abiogenisis and biogenisis work together to explain the nature of life. You're bringing up a 150 year old debate as though it were still relevant.

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              • #87
                Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

                Originally posted by Stark Evade View Post
                You obviously are completely ignorant about the mechanics and history of evolution. Shame. Evolution doesn't contradict anything in science. Not one thing. There isn't a single shred of evidence that could call into question the validity of evolution and if you feel there is, you've limited your "education" to ignorant and biased interpretations of the science (e.g. creationst websites). Abiogenisis doesn't contradict biogenisis. Abiogenisis and biogenisis work together to explain the nature of life. You're bringing up a 150 year old debate as though it were still relevant.
                It's a shame you can't even spell Genesis. Genisis is the religious spelling of the book of Genisis.

                Biogenesis - Theory that all life comes from living matter
                Abiogenesis - Theory that life can come from non-living matter

                Nope, not contradictory at all.
                Last edited by KanadaHye; 11-30-2009, 01:53 PM.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #88
                  Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  It's a shame you can't even spell Genesis. Genisis is the religious spelling of the book of Genisis.

                  Biogenesis - Theory that all life comes from living matter
                  Abiogenesis - Theory that life can come from non-living matter

                  Nope, not contradictory at all.

                  Actually "genisis" is completely wrong. I don't even think it's in the bible that way. I typed it wrong once and copy/pasted the mistake. Sorry.

                  You don't understand that the biogenesis concept was formulated as a response to spontaneous generation and not to defeating the concept of abiogenesis. That argument is completely ignorant and not only shows a lack of understanding of biogenesis but of the how it is related to abiogenesis chemically. They don't rule eachother out. Read a book and stop looking at stupid creationist websites.

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                  • #89
                    Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

                    Originally posted by Stark Evade View Post
                    Actually "genisis" is completely wrong. I don't even think it's in the bible that way. I typed it wrong once and copy/pasted the mistake. Sorry.
                    Depends if it's from a Hebrew source... I've seen it spelled genisis before in sites like this...

                    http://forum.richarddawkins.net/view...=98996&start=0

                    btw... Genesis/Genisis means "birth" in Hebrew. So why is science using words from the bible to explain the origins of life?
                    Last edited by KanadaHye; 11-30-2009, 04:33 PM.
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • #90
                      Re: Richard Dawkins interview with Bill O'Reilly

                      Originally posted by Lucin View Post
                      Christianity in no way promotes raping, robbing or killing... There have been, there are and there will unfortunately always be people who will try to expliot any movemnet, any idea… Does it mean the original thing has been a bad thing? It's almost like saying 'sex' is a bad thing because there are many sexually promiscuous people.

                      What's more Christianity is not supposed to be some sort of a miraculous formula treating all human infirmity, it's more rather like a spiritual path if I may say.



                      The secular states are destroying with their own methods.

                      How about mentioning secular America and its 'peacful' policies?

                      And, I don't think religion was the main reason for the Genocide. It was Turkishness or Pan-Turkism more precisely.
                      America can't call itself that Secular, since the only religion that seems to be represented in government is Protestant, Catholic and Evangelical Christianity, and no agnostics and atheists exist there really either. In addition Atheists (and therefore Buddhists) are bared from political office and the Presidency in some states. Also there is a strong anti-science movement, and ever since 9/11 there is a lot of discrimination against Muslims. The list goes on, but I wouldn't call the US model that Secular.

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