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  • Re: Religion and Atheism

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    I haven't seen any research about this particularly, however based on anecdotal evidence, I think that just as heterosexual children recall crushes and things from early childhood (indications that they knew their orientation then), many homosexuals recall knowing as children that they were attracted to the same sex.
    <sigh> This was something that was cultural. And you seem to keep pointing out to male homosexuality and overlook that many women enjoy same/bi/straight relationships which has little to do with attraction and everything to do with pleasure.
    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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    • Re: Religion and Atheism

      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
      <sigh> This was something that was cultural. And you seem to keep pointing out to male homosexuality and overlook that many women enjoy same/bi/straight relationships which has little to do with attraction and everything to do with pleasure.
      I didn't say anything in that particular post about men exclusively. I'm not restricting anything I'm saying to men only.

      Interestingly enough though, women are actually a little more complicated according to some of the research. Particularly the research that focuses on physiological measures of sexual arousal rather than self-report.

      There are also twin-studies by the way... they found that the concordance rates go in this order: monozygotic twins > same-sex dizygotic twins >same sex non-twin sibling > adoptive same-sex siblings. This supports a genetic/biological influence.
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      • Re: Religion and Atheism

        Here are a couple citations in the event you'd like to read them.
        Studies of both men and women.

        Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48 (12): 1089–96.
        Bailey JM, Benishay DS (1993). Familial aggregation of female sexual orientation. American Journal of Psychiatry, 150 (2): 272–7.
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        • Re: Religion and Atheism

          Originally posted by Siggie View Post
          Here are a couple citations in the event you'd like to read them.
          Studies of both men and women.

          Bailey JM, Pillard RC (1991). A genetic study of male sexual orientation. Archives of General Psychiatry, 48 (12): 1089–96.
          Bailey JM, Benishay DS (1993). Familial aggregation of female sexual orientation. American Journal of Psychiatry, 150 (2): 272–7.
          Who the F*** cares. Bunch of self absorbed wackos who get paid to write about other wackos.
          "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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          • Re: Religion and Atheism

            Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
            What if you were born in Ancient Greece and they handed you to a man at the age of 12 and you liked it?
            What's the problem if I liked it? I think it would suck if I didn't like it .. no?
            this post = teh win.

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            • Re: Religion and Atheism

              Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
              Who the F*** cares. Bunch of self absorbed wackos who get paid to write about other wackos.
              Yah why the F*** do we need studies and facts and stuff when we can just make stuff up for the sake of posting? Siggie, you should know better by now.
              this post = teh win.

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              • Re: Religion and Atheism

                Originally posted by Sip View Post
                What's the problem if I liked it? I think it would suck if I didn't like it .. no?
                Good point. LOL.
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • Re: Religion and Atheism

                  Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                  Who the F*** cares. Bunch of self absorbed wackos who get paid to write about other wackos.
                  Oh yeah... the mark of a rationality.
                  Don't then say that your opinions (that's all they are) are based on any sort of critical thinking because your outright dismissal of any and all contradictory evidence clearly demonstrates a startling lack of critical thinking and logic. *evokes Gene Wilder from Willy Wonka* You lose! Good day sir!

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                  • Re: Religion and Atheism

                    Originally posted by Sip View Post
                    Yah why the F*** do we need studies and facts and stuff when we can just make stuff up for the sake of posting? Siggie, you should know better by now.
                    Oh yeah... as if psychologists don't make up stuff. My grandmother would have sent them all to therapy with a broom in one hand and a dough roller in the other for having no clue about life and pulling western democratic bull$hit out of their vor.
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    • Re: Religion and Atheism

                      Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                      Oh yeah... as if psychologists don't make up stuff. My grandmother would have sent them all to therapy with a broom in one hand and a dough roller in the other for having no clue about life and pulling western democratic bull$hit out of their vor.
                      We're not talking about Freud or even counseling at all here.

                      We're talking about experimental psychologists and they are doing science just as physicists, chemist, and biologists are.
                      Nothing came from anyone's vor. It's all EXPERIMENTAL and it's peer-reviewed.

                      I saaaaaaaaaaaaaid... GOOD DAY SIR!
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