Atheism and being Armenian

[KanadaHye]

Re: Atheism and being Armenian

You forgot the lol, jerk!

lol

..... lol

[Haykakan]

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I do not know if anyone agrees with what I am about to say...

I know that some survivors of horrific events do become atheists. While those
that were not very religious, became very much so.

Many survivors from different cultures share this experience. It is due to those
who survive and loose all their family, wonder "why the Lord let them live."

They may have mixed feelings or guilt, if they were the misbehaving ones
or those that in retrospect knew they did not 'appreciate their family.'

Some said, 'why were they allowed to live and not a brother or sister?'

When a survivor is alone, it is very heart wrenching.
Very sad.

Those that loose their faith, they say 'if there is a Lord, then why did he
allow all this to happen?"

It is difficult to answer and some close their ears if one quotes the Bible.

More so when one states they are the "skeptic's skeptic."

They pepper their words with "you have to use logic..."

I knew of such a man. He was this way till he passed on.

I know of a man here in the detroit community who is a preacher (i dont know his exact title in the church) who claimed on april 24 in church that armenians deserved to be slaughteredbecause they were not religious enough. This is not all that rare to find among the religious idiots who blame the victim. Unfortunately i think i was the only one who noticed this and was ready to do anything about it. Sometimes religion sickens me in a way that nothing else possibly could.

[KanadaHye]

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I know of a man here in the detroit community who is a preacher (i dont know his exact title in the church) who claimed on april 24 in church that armenians deserved to be slaughteredbecause they were not religious enough. This is not all that rare to find among the religious idiots who blame the victim. Unfortunately i think i was the only one who noticed this and was ready to do anything about it. Sometimes religion sickens me in a way that nothing else possibly could.

Armenians got slaughtered because of their political connections in Europe and the Americas. They thought that enemies of the Ottoman Empire would intervene and rescue the Armenian people within the Empire if they stood up for independence. Little did they know that there were other plans set for Armenians (or maybe they did know?).

I don't know how your opinion of this one guy has anything to do with the Armenian church. One of my mom's distant cousins is actually a preacher in the Detroit area and I can't stand his views on certain things. He means well but he's lucky it's a well paid profession because I don't think he'd be too good at anything more than reciting phrases out of age old books.

[bell-the-cat]

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I know of a man here in the detroit community who is a preacher (i dont know his exact title in the church) who claimed on april 24 in church that armenians deserved to be slaughteredbecause they were not religious enough. This is not all that rare to find among the religious idiots who blame the victim. Unfortunately i think i was the only one who noticed this and was ready to do anything about it. Sometimes religion sickens me in a way that nothing else possibly could.

That is standard religious orthodoxy. In every ancient Armenian manuscript that details some disaster or massacre or oppression or whatever, it is always characterised as "because of our sins" such and such happened.

[KanadaHye]

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That is standard religious orthodoxy. In every ancient Armenian manuscript that details some disaster or massacre or oppression or whatever, it is always characterised as "because of our sins" such and such happened.

I always thought it is always characterised as "because of their sins" because Armenians are perfect

[bell-the-cat]

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I do not know if anyone agrees with what I am about to say...

I know that some survivors of horrific events do become atheists. While those
that were not very religious, became very much so.

I don't believe that any good comes directly from horrific events, so people that start to do or believe things because they went through such events are doing them for the wrong reasons and it is unlikely that such things will end well. Rather than helping get over the event, or being an aid to understanding the event, it is more likely to just keep the trauma of the event with you for longer.

[Mos]

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One religious question I have always had trouble getting my mind around is how could God have allowed the murder of 1.5 million innocent Christian civilians to take place. We were the first Christian nation, we were faithful, why did we have to lose everything and the Muslim Turks gain everything? And why for all this time justice has never been served? These questions are enough to make some turn away from God, and they are important ones to consider given our history. Some people will say, oh it was a test of the faith, while I will respond that it's a very sadistic way of testing a people and it represents more evil than God.

[KanadaHye]

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I don't believe that any good comes directly from horrific events, so people that start to do or believe things because they went through such events are doing them for the wrong reasons and it is unlikely that such things will end well. Rather than helping get over the event, or being an aid to understanding the event, it is more likely to just keep the trauma of the event with you for longer.

Life is a lesson. You'll learn it when you're done. The goal is to ensure future generations don't make the same mistakes. So we write lessons in books. Future generations read what is written. They don't understand how it applies to them until history is repeated.

[gkv]

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one could ask why did God allow his son to suffer on the cross?
the short answer is the answer does not matter. such questions should not have any bearing on the way one chooses to lead his/her own life.
what hides behind reasonings is often moral cowardice.
evil in this world does not justify committing evil
in fact it should be an incentive to do good as hatred should be an incentive for love to compensate for it.
evil in this world does not justify not loving one's neighbor
and if you love your neighbor then you love God as there is a strict identity between Matthew 22:39 and Matthew 22:37

[gkv]

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the only valid question is not: "why did he do this?", "why did she do that?", "why is he like this?", "why is she like that?"
but "what should I do?" and "who should I be?"

and in answering these two questions not look for any fake, outward excuses.