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  • What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-church.html


    Okay, clearly it doesn't take super-human strength to do this... But it's not surprising because it's physically difficult to do; it's because it's INSANE!

    A CHURCHGOER ripped out his eyeballs as a priest gave Sunday mass yesterday.

    British-born Aldo Bianchini, 46, stood up calmly and tore them out with his bare hands then collapsed in a pool of blood.
    His mother tried to help him as the priest called for help. But surgeons were unable to save his sight.
    He told doctors in Viareggio, Italy, he "heard voices" telling him to rip out his eyes. Dr Gino Barbacci said: "To do that requires superhuman strength."
    Priest Lorenzo Tanganelli, who continued his service after the horror, said: "I've never seen so much blood."
    In the Bible, Jesus says: "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
    [COLOR=#4b0082][B][SIZE=4][FONT=trebuchet ms]“If you think you can, or you can’t, you’re right.”
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    Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

    Originally posted by Siggie View Post
    http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...in-church.html


    Okay, clearly it doesn't take super-human strength to do this... But it's not surprising because it's physically difficult to do; it's because it's INSANE!
    Insane, or lacking reading skills: "If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" is meant to be read metaphorically, not taken literally.

    Italian chuches are becoming bloody places - wasn't there a report last week about someone killing his pregnant ex-girlfriend in a church and then committing suicide in front of the altar.
    Last edited by bell-the-cat; 10-04-2011, 09:56 AM.
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      Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

      Sounds like a new form of confession.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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        Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

        Maybe his contacts were bothering him....

        By the way, the media in a lot of places forgets to mention that the man had a history of mental illness, and is notably schizophrenic.

        In other reports it says "Bianchini studied chemistry and speaks five languages, but he had not found work. He has lived with his mother for about 20 years in Viareggio, a coastal city in northern Tuscany near Pisa."

        I would have probably gone nuts if I lived with an Italian mother until I was 46 too... lol.
        Last edited by KanadaHye; 10-04-2011, 03:36 PM.
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          Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

          Geez... Even among schizophrenics. It's just SOOOO extreme to rip out BOTH your eyes.
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            Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

            Originally posted by Siggie View Post
            Geez... Even among schizophrenics. It's just SOOOO extreme to rip out BOTH your eyes.
            Yeah, even the guy that ripped out an eye and ate it while in trial left the other one intact
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_156765.html

            It's so hard to meet sane people these days
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              Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

              It'd be interesting to know whether his schizophrenic symptomalogy was religion-specific or if he's been symptomatic with respect to other areas as well. I think there's a definite bias within the mental health disciplines against any non-western, non-mainstream belief system. Most clinicians tend to consider any form of supernatural or even extreme religious belief a red flag for possible schizoaffective disorders, which is really a shame, in my opinion. Note that most symptoms become diagnosable only when they start to cause "functional impairment"--in other words, interfere with normal daily functioning. Interestingly, there's no concrete definition of "functional impairment" that's widely accepted in the field; mental health folk have some discretion in deciding this. Individual belief/preference is no crime nor disorder (everyone's reality is slightly different, even within the normal range)--we should just let these people be (as long as they're not harming others). If someone wants to poke their own eyes out, by all means, let them! That's not a matter of sane vs. insane, it's just a matter of stupidity brought on by one's own belief system--and everyone has a right to their own belief system.

              /dissenting opinion

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                Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

                Originally posted by LadyLazarus View Post
                It'd be interesting to know whether his schizophrenic symptomalogy was religion-specific or if he's been symptomatic with respect to other areas as well. I think there's a definite bias within the mental health disciplines against any non-western, non-mainstream belief system. Most clinicians tend to consider any form of supernatural or even extreme religious belief a red flag for possible schizoaffective disorders, which is really a shame, in my opinion. Note that most symptoms become diagnosable only when they start to cause "functional impairment"--in other words, interfere with normal daily functioning. Interestingly, there's no concrete definition of "functional impairment" that's widely accepted in the field; mental health folk have some discretion in deciding this. Individual belief/preference is no crime nor disorder (everyone's reality is slightly different, even within the normal range)--we should just let these people be (as long as they're not harming others). If someone wants to poke their own eyes out, by all means, let them! That's not a matter of sane vs. insane, it's just a matter of stupidity brought on by one's own belief system--and everyone has a right to their own belief system.

                /dissenting opinion


                I think you run into problems marking the line of abnormality or impairment.

                Consider these scenarios and assume that social relationships, work, etc have not really been affected and the symptoms are not interfering with functioning in any notable way other than the strangeness of the experience.

                If A "hears God" speaking to him and saying go to work, be nice to people, donate every penny you can to the church, etc. and A follows and finds some comfort in the idea of God speaking to him and therefore, doesn't mind it, is this mental illness?

                If B has the identical experience, but doesn't believe in God and doesn't attribute the voice to God and is there for bothered and distracted, is this mental illness?

                If C thinks he hears God, but God says to set fire to a nearby building because it is used as headquarters by a group in opposition to the church, is this mental illness?

                If D thinks he hears Satan, but all Satan does is talk to him and share satanic doctrine (doesn't instruct to perform any action), is this mental illness?

                Forget what these hypos do in response to the voice...


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                Also... Are these persons really only harming themselves? No one who witnessed this guy tear out his eyes was harmed by the experience?
                What about those who had to pay for the medical care immediately following or provide for long-term care for this now blind person?
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                  Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

                  Originally posted by Siggie View Post
                  I think you run into problems marking the line of abnormality or impairment.

                  Consider these scenarios and assume that social relationships, work, etc have not really been affected and the symptoms are not interfering with functioning in any notable way other than the strangeness of the experience.

                  If A "hears God" speaking to him and saying go to work, be nice to people, donate every penny you can to the church, etc. and A follows and finds some comfort in the idea of God speaking to him and therefore, doesn't mind it, is this mental illness?

                  If B has the identical experience, but doesn't believe in God and doesn't attribute the voice to God and is there for bothered and distracted, is this mental illness?

                  If C thinks he hears God, but God says to set fire to a nearby building because it is used as headquarters by a group in opposition to the church, is this mental illness?

                  If D thinks he hears Satan, but all Satan does is talk to him and share satanic doctrine (doesn't instruct to perform any action), is this mental illness?

                  Forget what these hypos do in response to the voice...


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                  Also... Are these persons really only harming themselves? No one who witnessed this guy tear out his eyes was harmed by the experience?
                  What about those who had to pay for the medical care immediately following or provide for long-term care for this now blind person?

                  “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him” (Jn. 1:1-3)

                  Below all matter (including light) is information or God's word. Rather interesting philosophy by sheep herders thousands of years ago before "advanced" and "modern" academics.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    Re: What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

                    Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him” (Jn. 1:1-3)

                    Below all matter (including light) is information or God's word. Rather interesting philosophy by sheep herders thousands of years ago before "advanced" and "modern" academics.
                    What's interesting or academic about that? There's zero scholarship or study necessary to say "God did it... he did it all." You never actually have to find out how things happened or came to be. But I don't want to turn this into a repeat of the countless debates we've already had.

                    What does your statement have to do with this man's story or my post? Make the connection overtly please.
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