What the...?! Man rips out own eyes in church

[Sip]

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Can't say I really blame the guy. The few times I have had the "pleasure" of going to church, I too have had this incredible urge to rip out my eyes and stick them in my ears.

[Siggie]

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Can't say I really blame the guy. The few times I have had the "pleasure" of going to church, I too have had this incredible urge to rip out my eyes and stick them in my ears.

I guess this guy didn't quite get to the step of shoving them in his ears.

[KanadaHye]

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Can't say I really blame the guy. The few times I have had the "pleasure" of going to church, I too have had this incredible urge to rip out my eyes and stick them in my ears.

You're only supposed to show up for the last 10 minutes and then go for the free food afterwards.

[Haykakan]

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During mass there are always guys hanging around outside talking to eachother instead of pulling their eyes out. If you do get the sudden urge pull something during mass-simply walk outside and i bet u will find people willing to talk to you tjere unless of course you still have that urge to pull on something and u make the horrible mistake of acting on it.

[KanadaHye]

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During mass there are always guys hanging around outside talking to eachother instead of pulling their eyes out. If you do get the sudden urge pull something during mass-simply walk outside and i bet u will find people willing to talk to you tjere unless of course you still have that urge to pull on something and u make the horrible mistake of acting on it.

There is usually some decent eye candy at Armenian mass.... lol

[Haykakan]

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Yeh there is but there is also plenty of over the hill lardass women that ware skimpy outfits to church to-i dont know wtf they are thinking.

[Eddo211]

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Ashke douss ka ess gortze chaner......wait, nevermind.

[Sip]

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hehehe

[LadyLazarus]

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I think you run into problems marking the line of abnormality or impairment.

Absolutely. It's one of the most difficult things about mental health diagnosis. Not only is it an issue of normal vs abnormal and functional vs impaired, but the whole thing becomes even more muddled when you take cultural considerations into account. Akin to the "cultural defense" in law, whereby one has to consider the cultural normative standards of behavior for the alleged criminal acts, in mental health as well, the cultural context bears weight. For example, if a clinician might normally consider a person who routinely causes deep cuts and lacerations on his/her own body to be exhibiting self-destructive behavior, the same clinician might reconsider their assessment if it becomes known to them that this person is a devout Catholic who believes in flogging. The cultural context is key--and in this context, religion becomes part of culture.

Consider these scenarios and assume that social relationships, work, etc have not really been affected and the symptoms are not interfering with functioning in any notable way other than the strangeness of the experience.

I think that one's assessment of these scenarios vis-a-vis their qualification as mental illness varies greatly depending upon how/where/by whom is the term being defined. Clinically speaking, I wouldn't deem anything mental illness without the functional impairment criteria being met. Someone in another discipline may have another way to define/approach this. In your scenario B, the person is bothered and distracted. The question becomes "to what extent?". As long as none of these prevent the person from adequately performing his/her ADLS (activities of daily living), none of them are relevant to MY definition of mental illness.

Also, please note: no single delusion/hallucination (read: no single symptom) is ever enough for a diagnosis. Please keep that in mind as we weigh sanity vs. mental illness.

Also... Are these persons really only harming themselves? No one who witnessed this guy tear out his eyes was harmed by the experience?
What about those who had to pay for the medical care immediately following or provide for long-term care for this now blind person?

Spoken like a true lawyer Here our professionally-mandated definitions vary; the clinical definitions for causing harm to self or others tend to be a lot more stringent (narrow) than the legal ones.

[Siggie]

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Absolutely. It's one of the most difficult things about mental health diagnosis. Not only is it an issue of normal vs abnormal and functional vs impaired, but the whole thing becomes even more muddled when you take cultural considerations into account. Akin to the "cultural defense" in law, whereby one has to consider the cultural normative standards of behavior for the alleged criminal acts, in mental health as well, the cultural context bears weight. For example, if a clinician might normally consider a person who routinely causes deep cuts and lacerations on his/her own body to be exhibiting self-destructive behavior, the same clinician might reconsider their assessment if it becomes known to them that this person is a devout Catholic who believes in flogging. The cultural context is key--and in this context, religion becomes part of culture.



I think that one's assessment of these scenarios vis-a-vis their qualification as mental illness varies greatly depending upon how/where/by whom is the term being defined. Clinically speaking, I wouldn't deem anything mental illness without the functional impairment criteria being met. Someone in another discipline may have another way to define/approach this. In your scenario B, the person is bothered and distracted. The question becomes "to what extent?". As long as none of these prevent the person from adequately performing his/her ADLS (activities of daily living), none of them are relevant to MY definition of mental illness.

Also, please note: no single delusion/hallucination (read: no single symptom) is ever enough for a diagnosis. Please keep that in mind as we weigh sanity vs. mental illness.



Spoken like a true lawyer Here our professionally-mandated definitions vary; the clinical definitions for causing harm to self or others tend to be a lot more stringent (narrow) than the legal ones.

Haha. I'm not a lawyer, but I guess the legal training does come across now and again (without my awareness).
You're right. There's not enough information to really diagnose, but I was trying to illustrate the difficulty of the task.

Would the destructive message with C have an effect? I don't mean for you specifically per se, but generally in your experience.