How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I love this. Here we got people claiming to be chrystians and having knowledge of the religion and its profit yet one says it teaches not to judge others yet the other speaks of a judgement day. Call it hypocracy inconsistancy, a brain fart.. i just call it stupid just like most other things regarding religion. Chrystianity is just like any other stupid religion full of contradictions, superstitions and long legacy of human suffering and torture to boot. Even you people who claimto be of the same faith contraditc each other thus which one of you is right and which is wrong? Somebody better get out that spiritual cellphone and ask Jesus wtf is goin on.

[MrHyeSev]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

That's why I just said people can run from GOD...but not HiDE

This. People often forget that in Christianity there's a inherent freedom, which is not present in the other main religions (Islam/Judaism).

[MrHyeSev]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

No one knows that One-Way , but I know no one can hide from GOD

When do you think the Day of Judgement will be?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I don't believe in hell. I do believe that we have a short time to make something with our lives and either leave this place a little better or a little worse than we found it. I do believe in planning for a better future. I also believe in the power of vision (that is, having the power to make your vision become reality).

In other words you don’t believe in religious texts and are secular in your mindset. That’s great.

That's fine but you didn't answer my question. If I were to pay you $120,000 a year and on top of that you get to travel all expenses paid, would you look the other way if you saw something that wasn't legit?

The reason you’re getting paid that money is to verify if something is legitimate or not, so I don’t think calling a spade a spade is going to rock the boat. As far as I know archaeologists find lots of things they have to discard because they are either unusable or not what they originally thought.

One thing you're disregarding is the territoriality of scientists and scholars. If somebody makes a big find or comes up with a new theory, there will be plenty of scholars who would love to prove it wrong in order to maintain their own importance in their field.

Keep in mind that some dinosaur exhibits were destroyed in WWII along with the evidence and all that remains are published material... would you still believe in dinosaurs 2 or 3 thousand years from now if all the evidence was lost in wars and all that remained was books... ??

I don’t know what mindset I would have if I was born 3,000 years in the future. However if dinosaurs made sense from an evolutionary perspective then at the very least it would be a plausible or workable theory as long as it fit into the framework of conventional knowledge at that time. At the present moment it fits in just fine without any contradictions.

Also those books that would survive would tell you exactly where the bones were found and the names of the individuals who surveyed them and which museum they were displayed at the time. They would even tell you where that species fit in with the rest of the animal kingdom as well as the evolutionary history of the species. There would be a basis for studying and scrutinizing the material in the book. This is a totally different criterion of evidence than the bible where you have hearsay, gossip, human sacrifice and celestial beings supposedly communicating with humans, none of which is compatible with science and many times contradicts factual knowledge.

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Con't from posts 227 & 228 ---
--- been around the dead. After a while they get stiff. If you move their foot , their head moves at the same time, like if you flip a board at one end , the other end flips at the same time.
Free will is over.
Also they don't run their mouths any more.

The old one I met in the mentioned dreams said to me ---
--- death is not a safe haven from me ---

Artashes

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Do either of you believe that a person who lives a good life but does not believe in the bible, Jesus or God will be cast into hell?

I don't believe in hell. I do believe that we have a short time to make something with our lives and either leave this place a little better or a little worse than we found it. I do believe in planning for a better future. I also believe in the power of vision (that is, having the power to make your vision become reality).

You're adhering to the motto "follow the money" but you're being selective in the application. If you were being granted large sums of money to espouse the claims of the bible (tax free I might add) it would give you a huge incentive to protect your beliefs even if there was no evidence. Religion so far has been a much bigger business than science particularly because more people follow religion today and especially before the 21st century.

That's fine but you didn't answer my question. If I were to pay you $120,000 a year and on top of that you get to travel all expenses paid, would you look the other way if you saw something that wasn't legit?

Keep in mind that some dinosaur exhibits were destroyed in WWII along with the evidence and all that remains are published material... would you still believe in dinosaurs 2 or 3 thousand years from now if all the evidence was lost in wars and all that remained was books... ??

[ArmSurvival]

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Your reasoning for the claim that they can't possibly be fabricated because somebody would blow the whistle relies on the belief that someone who isn't corrupt would eventually expose the scam. If you were being granted large sums of money for traveling to parts of the world, how much would you be willing to bend the truth?

You're adhering to the motto "follow the money" but you're being selective in the application. If you were being granted large sums of money to espouse the claims of the bible (tax free I might add) it would give you a huge incentive to protect your beliefs even if there was no evidence. Religion so far has been a much bigger business than science particularly because more people follow religion today and especially before the 21st century. The pope lives in a palace, average priests can drive BMWs and don't have to pay taxes on their earnings. At least scientists and scientific institutions contribute to the community by paying taxes unlike religious agents. Now look at which of the two groups are preaching "modesty" and "charity". Despite all I just said, none of it proves that religious beliefs are incorrect - They are incorrect because they lack evidence.

The fact that there is money involved in something does not prove anything, because then everything on the planet would be a hoax or a conspiracy. That's an auxiliary or supporting point. Your main point should be to show how a sample of bones is actually fake, which you cannot do.

It clearly states in the Bible (Free Will)..if people don't want to know about GOD or believe in him, it's there choice but there is going to be a day of judgement where no matter what you will have to give an answer....in the book of Revelations it's speaks on judgment a lot more.

This. People often forget that in Christianity there's a inherent freedom, which is not present in the other main religions (Islam/Judaism).

Do either of you believe that a person who lives a good life but does not believe in the bible, Jesus or God will be cast into hell?

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Funny,a guy who couldn't even tell who his wife was (a man only has sex with his wife).


In a dream I once had, I had a question asked to me by someone who was so old I fail in my ability to describe eternity.
The question was --- what can you count on for sure ---
I thought for a few moments and then said I needed more time to think as I couldn't come up with an answer emmediatly.
After several days I thought I had the answer for sure.
Sorry gotta go
Artashes

So after several days of pondering I thought to myself --- the answer to this question was very simple, quite obvious and --- absolutely --- correct.
I had -- the -- answer. Death.
One might dodge the tax man, and get by with it. One might lie and connive like a turk, and "seemingly get by with it. But no matter who you are , you can't dodge death.
I thought my answer was infallible.
And so I laid down to sleep and did fall into a slumber.
Once again this ancient of days did appear in my dreams and asked if I had an answer to the question ----------- what can you count on for sure ---
I said death, it's the only thing that's for sure.
Sorry have to go back to work
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Only Schwarzenegger knows.

Funny,a guy who couldn't even tell who his wife was (a man only has sex with his wife).


In a dream I once had, I had a question asked to me by someone who was so old I fail in my ability to describe eternity.
The question was --- what can you count on for sure ---
I thought for a few moments and then said I needed more time to think as I couldn't come up with an answer emmediatly.
After several days I thought I had the answer for sure.
Sorry gotta go
Artashes

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

When do you think the Day of Judgement will be?

Only Schwarzenegger knows.