How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[ArmSurvival]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Life is based on a reward system. You would not work unless you were rewarded with at least food, drink and a place to rest/sleep. Those are the basics of life. Corruption is the result of being rewarded for doing something bad or harmful to others, directly or indirectly.

Don't all 3 Abrahamic religions have at their core the character of Abraham who was willing to slit his own child's throat because god told him he would be rewarded?

Don't all 3 Abrahamic religions in one form or another encourage (many times force) its followers to mutilate the genitals of their little children?

Aren't all suicide bombers religious people who find rewards for their sadistic behavior within the texts of their so-called holy books?

According to your own logic religion sounds really corrupt.

The Native Indians believed in many things that other cultures would see as absurd. They did not know of corruption until the Europeans brought with them all the things that began to destroy their culture.

I'm an admirer of some native American cultures but to say they didn't know corruption before the Europeans is just BS. They had wars and conflicts of their own. The reason we know more about European corruption is because of the written record which the natives didn't have.

Plus you didn't mention that the mandate Europeans used for killing and enslaving native American peoples was none other than the bible. From the Spaniards who arrived in 1492 to the white southerners in the 20th century, there are countless examples of Christianity being used to promote slavery and convince average believers that it was a good thing.

If you want to see corruption and sadism among native American peoples just look at the Aztecs prior to the arrival of Europeans. They had ceremonies where they would kill hundreds of people at a time, including children, because of the prevailing belief that their gods needed to be satisfied with human blood.

"Our culture is derivative of the natural resources. If our culture dies, the only reminants are its physical attributes, which will soon be dispersed to the natural environment. If that happens, there will be no trace of our living culture."
~ Stuart Harris, a Cayuse Indian & senior staff scientist

Basically what he's saying is we are born from the elements of the Earth. If we all die, our physical being returns back to nature and we simply cease to exist (as a culture).

Like the natives, if Armenians no longer live to give birth to other Armenians, we will no longer exist and that will ultimately be the end of our culture.

This seems like common sense and I agree. Notice that your comments exclude the concept of god or the supernatural as a fundamental element of life and culture. You're implying that culture is wholly based on material elements which makes you sound exactly like a non-believer.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Don't all 3 Abrahamic religions have at their core the character of Abraham who was willing to slit his own child's throat because god told him he would be rewarded?

Going by historical timelines, Abraham is only significant in Judaism (Old Testament). Christianity views Abraham as an Old Testament figure. Muslims seemed to have adopted a lot of their religious views/customs from Judaism even though it developed after Christianity.

In order to claim Jesus as being J3wish and J3ws having believed to be descendants of Abraham, the politics of the day deemed Jesus a descendant of Abraham (which doesn't make much logical sense if he was really born to a virgin now does it?) Another oddity since J3ws tend to exhibit an unreal sense of logic (like Spock from Star Trek)

Don't all 3 Abrahamic religions in one form or another encourage (many times force) its followers to mutilate the genitals of their little children?

Nope, it's J3wish and Muslim practice.

Aren't all suicide bombers religious people who find rewards for their sadistic behavior within the texts of their so-called holy books?

They are usually poor people who get used by the wealthy who claim that the family they leave behind will receive royalties for taking their own life. Similar to those who join the military. In one case death is inevitable while in the other, it's possible.

According to your own logic religion sounds really corrupt.

Religion can be corrupted just like any other institution. You can put your money in an ethical bank or a fraudulent bank. That doesn't make the concept of banking corrupt. It just means that the institution has been taken over by corruption.

I'm an admirer of some native American cultures but to say they didn't know corruption before the Europeans is just BS. They had wars and conflicts of their own. The reason we know more about European corruption is because of the written record which the natives didn't have.

If there is no written record (which nobody would believe anyways since we're discussinghistory vs. story in the Bible) then what evidence do you have that it's B.S.? I recall reading about some native tribe that didn't come in contact with the outside world up until the last century or so when they were discovered/invaded by the Dutch and forced to adopt the corrupt Christian teachings here in the West. Similar methods were used in Canada to assimilate the natives via corrupted Catholic institutions.

Plus you didn't mention that the mandate Europeans used for killing and enslaving native American peoples was none other than the bible. From the Spaniards who arrived in 1492 to the white southerners in the 20th century, there are countless examples of Christianity being used to promote slavery and convince average believers that it was a good thing.

Are you referring to the Sephardic J3ws who came from Spain? I wonder how many people actually believe the Christopher Columbus story.... hrm.

If you want to see corruption and sadism among native American peoples just look at the Aztecs prior to the arrival of Europeans. They had ceremonies where they would kill hundreds of people at a time, including children, because of the prevailing belief that their gods needed to be satisfied with human blood.

Their reason to do so was because they considered themselves the "elected" people, the people of the Sun who had been chosen by the gods to feed them and were responsible for the continuity of the world. Hmmm... isn't that what Israel claims today and people still buy the B.S.? Interesting...

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It is very easy to answer to the question asked
How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?
Answer: 100%

It's not only history, it's also the truth

I agree my friend, right on.

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It is very easy to answer to the question asked
How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?
Answer: 100%

It's not only history, it's also the truth
I agree my friend, right on.

I think if the people who wrote the bible were alive today they would be laughing at you two.

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

It is very easy to answer to the question asked
How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?
Answer: 100%

It's not only history, it's also the truth
I agree my friend, right on.

I think if the people who wrote the bible were alive today they would be laughing at you two.

I have a right to my own beliefs, as you do to yours.

[gegev]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I have a right to my own beliefs, as you do to yours.

“How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?”

As the rest of two milliard Christians; my answer is 100% too .

But the homosexuals, their proponents and some of the rest of sinners, that have democratic right to speak up about their rights/privileges, call the Christian majority backward/illiterate people, because they are not accepted by the religion. There are hundreds of world wide known scientists that are/were Christians, you know.

Alas ... our opponents cannot accept Christian religion as they are advanced/ARAJADEM scientific people and more importantly; because they advocate for things that are considered by the religion as immoral. This is why they are trying to prolong this “discussion” and console themselves that God does not exist, until summoned by...

Please take into consideration the facts above Mos and Pepsi.

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

“How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?”

As the rest of two milliard Christians; my answer is 100% too .

But the homosexuals, their proponents and some of the rest of sinners, that have democratic right to speak up about their rights/privileges, call the Christian majority backward/illiterate people, because they are not accepted by the religion.

Therefore they cannot call it advanced/ARAJADEM. This is why they are trying to prolong this “discussion” and console themselves that God does not exist, until summoned by...

Please take into consideration the fact above Mos and Pepsi.

It's a common syndrome from the ultra-liberal values in the West. They demean and ridicule Christians and Christianity - they see faith in Christianity as something backwards. This is a syndrome of the "aggressive secularism" and the "political correctness" of building a globalised, secular society. That's why we need to protect religious values in our society and protect the national faith of the Armenians, like we protect our identity.

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I havent seen any ultra-liberals in this forum nor does questioning religious teachings make you gay. It is simply about reason and religion is most unreasonable of human practices. Religion was chosen by countries to form or deepen political alliances with other countries yet many people take it seriously with horrible consequences. If you think that the bible is 100% true then you really are backwards because this means you will not use reason and no evidence will sway you. If you wish to glorify irrationality and promote homophobia, racism, sexism,..then yes you are indeed backwards among many other things.

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I havent seen any ultra-liberals in this forum nor does questioning religious teachings make you gay. It is simply about reason and religion is most unreasonable of human practices. Religion was chosen by countries to form or deepen political alliances with other countries yet many people take it seriously with horrible consequences. If you think that the bible is 100% true then you really are backwards because this means you will not use reason and no evidence will sway you. If you wish to glorify irrationality and promote homophobia, racism, sexism,..then yes you are indeed backwards among many other things.

I personally like being Armenian so if promoting "racism" yields a personal identity and conservation of heritage than I guess I'm racist.

I was born male and am not going apologize for my birth gender so if promoting "sexism" yields a personal sense of gender than I guess I'm sexist.

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

I personally like being Armenian so if promoting "racism" yields a personal identity and conservation of heritage than I guess I'm racist.

I was born male and am not going apologize for my birth gender so if promoting "sexism" yields a personal sense of gender than I guess I'm sexist.

Spot on.