How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Haykakan, don't you know any religious folks whom you find to be intelligent, reasonable,and non-subscribers to 18th century social conventions?

As opposed to 21st century social experiments?

Those who did the actual killing were muslims and used islam as a weapon against us. Islam to them justified our slaughter since we were not islamic people. It is too early to say if it worked or not because it is a part of an ongoing thing which may or may not end with the only armenian being in the museum. You can spin it any way you like but you cannot avoid the role religions play in human slaughter with thousends of years worth of evidence as proof-o but wait the religious folk don't care about things like proof, evidence, reason..it can be hard to keep this point in mind when talking to religious folk because they do have a head like the rest of us which i assume contains a brain which should be able to use reasoning..hey but all that is simply an assumption on my part i guess.

The Young Turks were hardly Turks or Muslim so I didn't even bother reading anything else you had to write. Those who did the killing were ordered to do so, it had nothing to do with their religion. They were most likely on drugs as well since it is well documented that the Ottoman military used drugs as forms of mind control.

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

"The story I told of Elija and Elisa are for the believers, the none believers are welcome by me to go have a beer and laugh your heads off.
To the non believers who tout "logic" --- there is a mathamaticle equation that if done correctly clearly shows that -- 1= 2"

I will have that beer but i doubt on my drunkest day 1=2

a=b
a2=ab --- 2 means squared
a2-b2=ab-b2
(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b)

(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b) ::: (a-b) on both sides is canceled
(a+b)=b
But a=b
Therefore
a+a=a
2a=a
hence
2=1

Enjoy your beer
Artashes

[KanadaHye]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Gegev, Mos, Hyreniq, Kanada, Pepsi, etc. are hardly representative of religious people, Christians, or even Armenians. We can disagree with them individually and not write off a whole group of people.

You've got a point there. I'm more like a Union Representative.

a=b
a2=ab --- 2 means squared
a2-b2=ab-b2
(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b)

(a-b)(a+b)=b(a-b) ::: (a-b) on both sides is canceled
(a+b)=b
But a=b
Therefore
a+a=a
2a=a
hence
2=1

Enjoy your beer
Artashes

cute... so 0x2=1x0... Unfortunately, you can't cancel out 0s

[Siggie]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

You've got a point there. I'm more like a Union Representative.

Someday we're gonna have to do something about that chip on your shoulder. In the meantime, I deleted all the "Xanax" usernames as drug therapy and not even you will be able to get me upset.

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Kanadahye you are as skin deep as they come. Like you realy do not think religion had anything to do with the genocide? Then why were all the chrystians killed but not any of the muslims? Armenians, greeks, asssyrians.. all chrystians-dead or ran of but the kurds who were muslim were not harmed they were instead used ,even paid to kill us. Even now you hear about chrystians being killed in turky just because they are chrystians. This is typical argument style of religious folk - they throw a bunch of nonsense at you hoping something will stick.

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

You've got a point there. I'm more like a Union Representative.



cute... so 0x2=1x0... Unfortunately, you can't cancel out 0s

(1)math guy
(2)Yoda
(3)Spock

Of the three I thought I could get that past Spock, so apparently you ain't Spock.
I was hoping to make the point that logic does not trump all.
I do think I deserve a beer for trying though.
Cool sword and nice swordsmanship.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Kanadahye you are as skin deep as they come. Like you realy do not think religion had anything to do with the genocide? Then why were all the chrystians killed but not any of the muslims? Armenians, greeks, asssyrians.. all chrystians-dead or ran of but the kurds who were muslim were not harmed they were instead used ,even paid to kill us. Even now you hear about chrystians being killed in turky just because they are chrystians. This is typical argument style of religious folk - they throw a bunch of nonsense at you hoping something will stick.

I could be mistaken(talk to Yoda)but I think your argument is only holds superficial water.
The turks use Muslimism as a front. They say -- see I'm one of you --.
The genocide started the first time they met any people's. The use use it as an excuse.
The kurds would join with anyone who gave them a chance to steal anything from anyone, and vice verse the turks would accept anyone into the fold that would (a)acknowledge their superiority,(b)take their orders,(c)give them a b job.
The "you have to accept Mohammad is really only superficial for the turk to advance their pan jurkic crap.
If they thought they could accomplish pan jurkism by dropping mohamy, he'd hit the floor like a ton of bricks.
Just my opinion .
Artashes

[Mos]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Astco chstmartutyun urer yegherni jamanak? Yete artyok chsamartutyun liner apa nman baner chain lini bayts past pasta. Yete ches uzum past intunel uremn do aprumes ail askharum vor goutiun uni menak ko glkhum. Hey gegev have you seen what the lemmings do every few years? Just because there are many believers does not make the beliefe correct. Since athism and agnosticism are growing does that mean those ideas are becoming more correct to? This kind of logic never did make sense but such things do not seem to bother religious people atleast until that religion falls out of fashion. Every religion has its crazies-pagans had the same issues when chrystianity was first introduced to them but when it became more popular more people jumped on the bandwagon. I know it must be a frightening thing to jump off of a bandwagon and to land onto reality. Reality is not always pretty and does not promise you a thing but atleast you know its the real thing.

Du spasum es vor Astvac argeli amen vat ban ays ashxarum u ir kamkov vat ban chtoxni? Astvac mez tvel a azatutyun, vorov menk karox enk lav u vat baner anel mer kyankum, baic menk inch vor el anenk ays kyankum, astvac mez kdati. Past@ mnum e past, vor menk azatutyun unenk, vor menk karox enk voroshumner kayacnel ays kyankum, ayd shat hzor ban a, baic menk petk a @ndunenk, vor dra het mek tex, shat lurj hetevankner kan...

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Actually you are making my point very clear. As i have been saying all along religion is/was/will be used to justify the crimes man commits vs fellow man. Yeh there are/were/will be other real reasons behind the bad things but religion makes doing these things possible and tolorable for the doer and his supporters.

I could be mistaken(talk to Yoda)but I think your argument is only holds superficial water.
The turks use Muslimism as a front. They say -- see I'm one of you --.
The genocide started the first time they met any people's. The use use it as an excuse.
The kurds would join with anyone who gave them a chance to steal anything from anyone, and vice verse the turks would accept anyone into the fold that would (a)acknowledge their superiority,(b)take their orders,(c)give them a b job.
The "you have to accept Mohammad is really only superficial for the turk to advance their pan jurkic crap.
If they thought they could accomplish pan jurkism by dropping mohamy, he'd hit the floor like a ton of bricks.
Just my opinion .
Artashes

[Haykakan]

Re: How Much of the Bible Must Be Historical to Believe?

Isk ura ait past vor hetevankner kan? Du teseles nman past kam karoghes artadrel da?

Du spasum es vor Astvac argeli amen vat ban ays ashxarum u ir kamkov vat ban chtoxni? Astvac mez tvel a azatutyun, vorov menk karox enk lav u vat baner anel mer kyankum, baic menk inch vor el anenk ays kyankum, astvac mez kdati. Past@ mnum e past, vor menk azatutyun unenk, vor menk karox enk voroshumner kayacnel ays kyankum, ayd shat hzor ban a, baic menk petk a @ndunenk, vor dra het mek tex, shat lurj hetevankner kan...